[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

[Stephanie Aylworth]

Nay.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:15 AM Jay Guidry via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> Can’t remmwber if I voted but nay if I didn’t
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> Bumping this thread for more votes. Please effort a vote today if you
>> haven't.
>> ---
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-19 16:30, Ted Metz via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>> Nay.
>>
>> Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself, condeming a
>> sentiment that is widley popular will not grow the party.
>>
>>
>> As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they will drag
>> you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via Lpgaexcomm" <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think the logic that it
>> helps us move on is flawed. Some people certainly think this, but it
>> actually forces us to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
>> should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion die for lack of a
>> second actually helps on to more on much more effectively.
>>
>> You can always reach out to the originator of the motion and make
>> suggestions for changes that could be made in order to secure your support.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com> *On Behalf
>> Of *Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 2:27 PM
>> *To:* lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>> *Cc:* Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald
>> Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
>>
>>
>>
>> It just depends on you. Some people second everything so we can move on
>> to discussion or voting, even if they plan on voting nay. Some people won't
>> second things unless they support it. Purely personal.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>> I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss it. Is seconding
>> equivalent to endorsing? I'm not well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> I like the generalize statement. It's good to be able to use this
>> regardless of what the tweet is. With that being said, when I was acting
>> executive director I would just use responses from national if they chose
>> to respond to tweet or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up with
>> something, and is usually very well worded.
>>
>>  I vote yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> We don't have to respond to all of his tweets because we respond to one.
>> Regardless, if libertarians wanted to suggest that we do so by writing such
>> responses for us to consider, I'd say we should probably consider them.
>>
>> My take is that this particular tweet from the President, and the
>> subsequent rally in NC, is a step further than we've typically seen in the
>> past, and a step over a line I'm not comfortable with the POTUS stepping
>> over.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>> But since the motion has been seconded, I will open the discussion.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am concerned about responding to any particular tweets from the
>> president. Because if we respond to one then we have to respond to all and
>> that would just be ridiculous.  Besides Trump is certainly not the only
>> politician who is spewing hate in the public discourse.  I would be more in
>> favor of a more generally worded statement that does not address a specific
>> behavior by a specific politician.
>>
>>
>>
>> What about replacing
>>
>>
>>
>>  "In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>> States"
>>
>>
>>
>> With.....
>>
>>
>>
>> "In light of the current state of politically charged bigotry and hatred
>> in our country"
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>
>> I will second the motion and add that I'm feeling torn. On the one hand I
>> agree with what is said here. On the other hand, I feel that the drama that
>> is involved with Trump and his tweets is in itself divisive propaganda that
>> serves to pull attention toward his rhetoric and away from his actual
>> policy. I would rather not participate in that. That said, to not speak out
>> when we are being asked to does seem to imply support. If we do make this
>> official statement, I would change "bigoted statements" to simply
>> "statements". "Bigoted statements" although we may agree that it is
>> correct, seems subjective rather than factual.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> Hey Team,
>>
>> We had a concerned libertarian reach out and ask why we haven't made a
>> statement about Donald Trump's recent tweets and statements. He went so far
>> as to send a statement he'd like to see. Laurie took a look and edited it
>> up and I think we're ready for a motion.
>>
>> I move to make an official statement of the Libertarian Party of Georgia
>> regarding the Trump rhetoric as follows:
>>
>> In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>> States and the silence of many who fail to condemn these statements (and
>> whose inaction is sometimes interpreted as support), we the members and
>> supporters of the Libertarian Party restate our condemnation of any and all
>> acts of bigotry, racism, and hatred by any person against any other. To
>> view individuals primarily as members of a group or bound by immutable
>> characteristics is a violation of our values celebrating rights of the
>> individual.
>>
>> Politicians fostering divisiveness, bigotry, and collectivism among
>> individuals are a threat to America's identity as a melting pot of cultural
>> influence and a steward of equality before the law. We the Libertarian
>> Party embrace America's diversity and affirm our pursuit of the principles
>> of liberty and justice for all individuals.
>>
>> We need a second before voting can begin.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
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