[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

[Jay Guidry]

Can’t remmwber if I voted but nay if I didn’t

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> Bumping this thread for more votes. Please effort a vote today if you
> haven't.
> ---
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
> On 2019-07-19 16:30, Ted Metz via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
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> Nay.
>
> Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself, condeming a
> sentiment that is widley popular will not grow the party.
>
>
> As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they will drag
> you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
>
> On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via Lpgaexcomm" <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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> I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think the logic that it
> helps us move on is flawed. Some people certainly think this, but it
> actually forces us to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
> should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion die for lack of a
> second actually helps on to more on much more effectively.
>
> You can always reach out to the originator of the motion and make
> suggestions for changes that could be made in order to secure your support.
>
>
>
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> *From:* Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com> *On Behalf Of
> *Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 2:27 PM
> *To:* lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
> *Cc:* Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald
> Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
>
>
>
> It just depends on you. Some people second everything so we can move on to
> discussion or voting, even if they plan on voting nay. Some people won't
> second things unless they support it. Purely personal.
>
> ---
>
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
>
> On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
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> I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss it. Is seconding
> equivalent to endorsing? I'm not well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.
>
>
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> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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> I like the generalize statement. It's good to be able to use this
> regardless of what the tweet is. With that being said, when I was acting
> executive director I would just use responses from national if they chose
> to respond to tweet or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up with
> something, and is usually very well worded.
>
>  I vote yes.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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> We don't have to respond to all of his tweets because we respond to one.
> Regardless, if libertarians wanted to suggest that we do so by writing such
> responses for us to consider, I'd say we should probably consider them.
>
> My take is that this particular tweet from the President, and the
> subsequent rally in NC, is a step further than we've typically seen in the
> past, and a step over a line I'm not comfortable with the POTUS stepping
> over.
>
> ---
>
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
>
> On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> But since the motion has been seconded, I will open the discussion.
>
>
>
> I am concerned about responding to any particular tweets from the
> president. Because if we respond to one then we have to respond to all and
> that would just be ridiculous.  Besides Trump is certainly not the only
> politician who is spewing hate in the public discourse.  I would be more in
> favor of a more generally worded statement that does not address a specific
> behavior by a specific politician.
>
>
>
> What about replacing
>
>
>
>  "In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
> States"
>
>
>
> With.....
>
>
>
> "In light of the current state of politically charged bigotry and hatred
> in our country"
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>
> I will second the motion and add that I'm feeling torn. On the one hand I
> agree with what is said here. On the other hand, I feel that the drama that
> is involved with Trump and his tweets is in itself divisive propaganda that
> serves to pull attention toward his rhetoric and away from his actual
> policy. I would rather not participate in that. That said, to not speak out
> when we are being asked to does seem to imply support. If we do make this
> official statement, I would change "bigoted statements" to simply
> "statements". "Bigoted statements" although we may agree that it is
> correct, seems subjective rather than factual.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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> Hey Team,
>
> We had a concerned libertarian reach out and ask why we haven't made a
> statement about Donald Trump's recent tweets and statements. He went so far
> as to send a statement he'd like to see. Laurie took a look and edited it
> up and I think we're ready for a motion.
>
> I move to make an official statement of the Libertarian Party of Georgia
> regarding the Trump rhetoric as follows:
>
> In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
> States and the silence of many who fail to condemn these statements (and
> whose inaction is sometimes interpreted as support), we the members and
> supporters of the Libertarian Party restate our condemnation of any and all
> acts of bigotry, racism, and hatred by any person against any other. To
> view individuals primarily as members of a group or bound by immutable
> characteristics is a violation of our values celebrating rights of the
> individual.
>
> Politicians fostering divisiveness, bigotry, and collectivism among
> individuals are a threat to America's identity as a melting pot of cultural
> influence and a steward of equality before the law. We the Libertarian
> Party embrace America's diversity and affirm our pursuit of the principles
> of liberty and justice for all individuals.
>
> We need a second before voting can begin.
>
>
>
> --
>
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
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