[LPGa Executive Committee] A Resolution to Condemn Red Flag Laws, Demand Accountability for Law Enforcement

Mon Aug 12 18:19:29 EDT 2019

I like the Resolution as is.

As a reminder - Article 1 Section 8 clause 11 authorizes Congress  "To
declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;"

What Letters of Marque and Reprisal means is that ownership of armaments of
any sort was perfectly acceptable and should still be so today. Look at the
UK now, after restricting firearm ownership they are working to outlaw
knives. See the progression? Murder is in the heart, not in the choice of
tool used to perpetrate the crime. Murder is already illegal, like
marijuana, and how is that working out? Red Flags laws are a great way for
more of the camel getting into the tent. More murders are committed with
hammers than firearms.

Shall not be infringed means what it says and is what we the people need to
cling to, otherwise, like so many communist regimes in recent history, we
will become further enslaved and dependent on the mercy of our out of
control Government.

If this disarmament continues on the current trend, then only government
actors will have firearms and the rest of the peasants will be tyrannized
relentlessly.

Red Flag laws as a concept and under their current design are
unconstitutional under the 4th Amendment. They will be used in the same
manner as disgruntled ex-spouses use CPS (DFACS) for harassment.

Here is a scenario that was posted by Debbie Dooley:

 "TAKE HEED MY GUN OWNING FRIENDS !!!!!

so take your time with this ...!!!! Red Flag Laws...... Here’s what will
happen...!!!!!!!!!

It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs
back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are
off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house
leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and
school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your
wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that
allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact
it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass...

0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard
something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the
living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ole
870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down
the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say
as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife
just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flies open

. “Oh shit!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across
your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank
God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the
door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as
she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down
in town!

Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle
flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right.
You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a
load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind
her. You feel the burning as 5.56 bullets Riddle your body. One clips your
spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body.

The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local
PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as
she screams and cry’s because she just watched her parents being murdered.

Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an
honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on
honor roll.

Why did this happen?
Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors
to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies
and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a
friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly
accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they
were pleasant enough.

The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor
scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and
got infuriated. See, he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The
next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your
daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is
wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees
your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary
black assault weapons on the table and that does it!

He has to do something about the racist domestic terrorist living next
door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports
you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The SO follows their SOP’s and
conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process
and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing.
Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will
never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the
mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news
paper will report that you were killed after firing on and killing two
deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were
confiscated from your residence”.

Oh, those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind
families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They
didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t
allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you
had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15
around.

This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws. Innocent people will lose their
lives. Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without
merit....mark my words ...."

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:00 PM Jay Guidry via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> Your solution is basically to allow the states to remove rights and turn a
> right into a privilege.
>
> I can point out that an argument is bad with out proffering a solution in
> the same conversation.
>
> Want a solution, give 8 weeks of basic training with out the Military
> indoctrination to condition listening to orders, Teach brother hood, team
> work and leadership, while giving mental health screenings and make it
> required of all Americans.
>
> Then if SHTF, they can get a referesher after the draft to be conditioned
> to listen to orders.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 4:32 PM Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>
>> I guess you didn't get what I said:  Amend the Constitution to produce a
>> better system
>>
>> As of now, I don't think legislators can do much of anything that is
>> constitutional; I think much of what they've done is unconstitutional
>>
>> Again, you're recommendation, no matter how you want to phrase it, says
>> do nothing
>>
>> I'm done
>> On 8/12/2019 4:25 PM, Laura Williams via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>> In the face of state acts (legislators et al) proposing alleged solutions
>> which violate the Constitution.
>> Whether they would materially reduce stranger-shootings is entirely
>> irrelevant. The ends never justify the means, which in this case is
>> abridging civil liberties.
>> "Don't do something immoral and unjustified" is not the same statement as
>> "do nothing" or "nothing needs to be done."
>> Elizabeth's original resolution says we oppose doing something immoral,
>> which state actors are insisting should or must be done.
>>
>> I vote YEA on the original resolution and I'm happy to author an article
>> to contextualize the debate, which humanizes the party, I think.
>> Ultimately, we must stand behind individual liberties and against
>> unconstitutional abuses that abridge them.  That's who we are.
>>
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