[LPGa Executive Committee] A Resolution to Condemn Red Flag Laws, Demand Accountability for Law Enforcement

Mon Aug 12 15:03:04 EDT 2019

In a world i can make Phosgene Gas in my Garage. People are worried about
an Ar15. That kills less people than Hammers every year.

^im with Ryan

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 2:56 PM Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> The whole point is drawing the line so they cannot commit mass murder (or
> the likelihood of such is substantially diminished), while protecting the
> defense rights of ordinary people - it's not getting done effectively now
> On 8/12/2019 2:52 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>
> Loonies committing mass murder are already breaking the law. We don't
> support limiting peaceful individuals rights on behalf of people who might
> use those rights to do harm.
> ---
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
> On 2019-08-12 14:51, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> One more thing:  The whole point of the platform position is protection
> against aggression - not protecting the ability of loonies to mass murder
> On 8/12/2019 2:46 PM, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is specifically consistent
> with the rights of private property owners.
>
> When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told me the NRA would
> have endorsed me had they known about me/my position.  A guy on my campaign
> team was supposed to get in contact with them, but he failed to do so. (So,
> they endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position was amendment of the Second
> Amendment along the lines presented.
>
> I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent with the Second
> Amendment (as is the Brady Bill).
>
> To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the public.
>
> I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that is inconsistent
> with the Second Amendment, while stating the Party is open to changes to
> the Second Amendment to recognizes changes in conditions since enactment of
> the Second Amendment, etc.
> On 8/12/2019 2:38 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>
> A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional amendment would
> directly contradict our platform:
>
> *1.8 Self-Defense*
>
> The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights —
> life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This
> right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
> individual or group. We affirm the individual right recognized by the
> Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of
> individuals for exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property
> owners should be free to establish their own conditions regarding the
> presence of personal defense weapons on their own property. We oppose all
> laws at any level of government restricting, registering, or monitoring the
> ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
>
> ---
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
> On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> See blue below; glad to see discussion
> On 8/12/2019 1:33 PM, Jay Guidry wrote:
>
> There are some significant Issues with Allen's language.
>
> A state or Congress may by law require a background check incident to any
> attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to determine rights.
>
> 1. So i cant give my best friend i have known for 40 years a ShotGun to go
> hunting. My wifes friend who fears and Ex Boyfriend we cant loan her a
> pistol for self defense, I cant leave my Cousin in my house by himself.
>
>
>  A state or Congress may by law
> provide for civil liability or criminal punishment with respect to use by
> any individual other than
> the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to any individual.   AB: As
> to 1 above and 2 below: The point is: If you make your guns available to
> others, you can potentially be liable if they go out and kill people.  The
> kid in CT (Sandy Hook) took his parent's guns. The whole point of
> liability/punishment as provided by law requires legilators to come up with
> when such provisions should apply.
>
> 2. So i can be held liable for someone use or Miss Use of weapon i am not
> in control of, IE someone breaks in my house and steals a weapon then
> shoots up a school i might be held liable? (this is a bad idea)
>
> A state or Congress may by law restrict or prohibit the use of rapid fire
> guns.  AB:  Same as above. I would think older people ordinarily should
> be able to get rapid fire guns, as they are needed to protect themselves.
> Again, it's up to lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no federal law would exist
> and states would act as they saw fit. The whole point of permitting state
> and federal laws is the Feds would likely provide a floor in at least most
> of the areas noted. Some states might do nothing. Other states, perhaps
> such as California, would be very restrictive. Open to other language. The
> point is machine guns, etc. are not needed by the vast majority of the
> public for protection or hunting, etc.
>
> 3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action rifle.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:19 PM Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm <
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>
>> While I'm in favor of some changes to the Second Amendment, I think they
>> can legally happen only through an amendment to the U.S. Constitution (i.e.
>> a change to the Second Amendment). So, I don't disagree with anything in
>> the resolutions.
>>
>> However, I suggest whatever is done leave and be open to a reasonable
>> amendment to the Second Amendment -- simple saying NO to any action doesn't
>> cut it - in my opinion.  Something needs to be done. I don't think the
>> framers would adopt the Second Amendment given's today's reality.
>>
>> What I believe is reasonable is attached; other possibilities exist
>> On 8/12/2019 11:13 AM, Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>> Hey Team,
>>
>> Elizabeth Melton has put together a resolution for consideration tonight
>> about Red Flag laws. Please review and be prepared to discuss and vote for
>> the meeting tonight.
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jebszFftjhZwvtIoLwAsnSGTPXeY8sl7rjE33LNrbGA/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> --
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
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