[LPGa Executive Committee] A Resolution to Condemn Red Flag Laws, Demand Accountability for Law Enforcement
Allen Buckley
ab at allenbuckleylaw.com
Mon Aug 12 16:05:28 EDT 2019
What I propose would help reduce what is happening, while protecting
rights of ordinary people
You all propose nothing
I vote NO on the resolutions as they stand, as they suggest doing
nothing is what the Party recommends
On 8/12/2019 3:00 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>
> Hard disagree. Shooting deaths are down over the past decade. We don't
> take away the rights of innocents because of the actions of a few bad
> actors.
>
> Besides, your assumption is that these currently unconstitutional gun
> laws would stop the mass shooters even though they are happening in
> states like California that already have strict gun laws. We should be
> thinking outside the box for solutions, not using government force to
> make criminals out of people who are acting in peaceful ways. This
> resolution protects those peaceful people. It could be a good idea to
> present some sort of solution as well, but I won't support anything
> that takes away the rights of law-abiding, peaceful people.
>
> ---
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
> On 2019-08-12 14:56, Allen Buckley wrote:
>
>> The whole point is drawing the line so they cannot commit mass murder
>> (or the likelihood of such is substantially diminished), while
>> protecting the defense rights of ordinary people - it's not getting
>> done effectively now
>>
>> On 8/12/2019 2:52 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> Loonies committing mass murder are already breaking the law. We
>>> don't support limiting peaceful individuals rights on behalf of
>>> people who might use those rights to do harm.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-08-12 14:51, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> One more thing: The whole point of the platform position is
>>> protection against aggression - not protecting the ability of
>>> loonies to mass murder
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 2:46 PM, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is specifically
>>> consistent with the rights of private property owners.
>>>
>>> When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told me
>>> the NRA would have endorsed me had they known about me/my
>>> position. A guy on my campaign team was supposed to get in
>>> contact with them, but he failed to do so. (So, they
>>> endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position was amendment of the
>>> Second Amendment along the lines presented.
>>>
>>> I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent
>>> with the Second Amendment (as is the Brady Bill).
>>>
>>> To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the public.
>>>
>>> I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that
>>> is inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while stating the
>>> Party is open to changes to the Second Amendment to
>>> recognizes changes in conditions since enactment of the
>>> Second Amendment, etc.
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 2:38 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>>>
>>> A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional
>>> amendment would directly contradict our platform:
>>>
>>> *1.8 Self-Defense*
>>>
>>> The only legitimate use of force is in defense of
>>> individual rights — life, liberty, and justly
>>> acquired property — against aggression. This right
>>> inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided
>>> by any other individual or group. We affirm the
>>> individual right recognized by the Second Amendment
>>> to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of
>>> individuals for exercising their rights of
>>> self-defense. Private property owners should be free
>>> to establish their own conditions regarding the
>>> presence of personal defense weapons on their own
>>> property. We oppose all laws at any level of
>>> government restricting, registering, or monitoring
>>> the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms
>>> or ammunition.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> See blue below; glad to see discussion
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 1:33 PM, Jay Guidry wrote:
>>>
>>> There are some significant Issues with Allen's
>>> language.
>>>
>>> A state or Congress may by law require a
>>> background check incident to any
>>> attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to
>>> determine rights.
>>> 1. So i cant give my best friend i have known
>>> for 40 years a ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes
>>> friend who fears and Ex Boyfriend we cant loan
>>> her a pistol for self defense, I cant leave my
>>> Cousin in my house by himself.
>>> A state or Congress may by law
>>> provide for civil liability or criminal
>>> punishment with respect to use by any individual
>>> other than
>>> the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to
>>> any individual. AB: As to 1 above and 2 below:
>>> The point is: If you make your guns available to
>>> others, you can potentially be liable if they go
>>> out and kill people. The kid in CT (Sandy Hook)
>>> took his parent's guns. The whole point of
>>> liability/punishment as provided by law requires
>>> legilators to come up with when such provisions
>>> should apply.
>>>
>>> 2. So i can be held liable for someone use or
>>> Miss Use of weapon i am not in control of, IE
>>> someone breaks in my house and steals a weapon
>>> then shoots up a school i might be held liable?
>>> (this is a bad idea)
>>>
>>> A state or Congress may by law restrict or
>>> prohibit the use of rapid fire guns. AB: Same
>>> as above. I would think older people ordinarily
>>> should be able to get rapid fire guns, as they
>>> are needed to protect themselves. Again, it's up
>>> to lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no federal law
>>> would exist and states would act as they saw
>>> fit. The whole point of permitting state and
>>> federal laws is the Feds would likely provide a
>>> floor in at least most of the areas noted. Some
>>> states might do nothing. Other states, perhaps
>>> such as California, would be very restrictive.
>>> Open to other language. The point is machine
>>> guns, etc. are not needed by the vast majority
>>> of the public for protection or hunting, etc.
>>>
>>> 3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action
>>> rifle.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:19 PM Allen Buckley
>>> via Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm in favor of some changes to the
>>> Second Amendment, I think they can legally
>>> happen only through an amendment to the U.S.
>>> Constitution (i.e. a change to the Second
>>> Amendment). So, I don't disagree with
>>> anything in the resolutions.
>>>
>>> However, I suggest whatever is done leave
>>> and be open to a reasonable amendment to the
>>> Second Amendment -- simple saying NO to any
>>> action doesn't cut it - in my opinion.
>>> Something needs to be done. I don't think
>>> the framers would adopt the Second Amendment
>>> given's today's reality.
>>>
>>> What I believe is reasonable is attached;
>>> other possibilities exist
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 11:13 AM, Ryan Graham via
>>> Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Team,
>>>
>>> Elizabeth Melton has put together a
>>> resolution for consideration tonight
>>> about Red Flag laws. Please review and
>>> be prepared to discuss and vote for the
>>> meeting tonight.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jebszFftjhZwvtIoLwAsnSGTPXeY8sl7rjE33LNrbGA/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
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>> Allen Buckley
>>
>> Law Office of Allen Buckley LLC
>> Suite 750, Building 1
>> 2727 Paces Ferry Road
>> Atlanta, GA 30339
>>
>> Phone: (678) 981-4689
>> Fax: (855) 243-0006
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Allen Buckley
Law Office of Allen Buckley LLC
Suite 750, Building 1
2727 Paces Ferry Road
Atlanta, GA 30339
Phone: (678) 981-4689
Fax: (855) 243-0006
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