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<p>What I propose would help reduce what is happening, while
protecting rights of ordinary people<br>
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<p>You all propose nothing</p>
<p>I vote NO on the resolutions as they stand, as they suggest doing
nothing is what the Party recommends<br>
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<p>Hard disagree. Shooting deaths are down over the past decade.
We don't take away the rights of innocents because of the
actions of a few bad actors. </p>
<p>Besides, your assumption is that these currently
unconstitutional gun laws would stop the mass shooters even
though they are happening in states like California that already
have strict gun laws. We should be thinking outside the box for
solutions, not using government force to make criminals out of
people who are acting in peaceful ways. This resolution protects
those peaceful people. It could be a good idea to present some
sort of solution as well, but I won't support anything that
takes away the rights of law-abiding, peaceful people.</p>
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font-size: 12pt;">In Liberty,</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size:
12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia</span></div>
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<p>On 2019-08-12 14:56, Allen Buckley wrote:</p>
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<p>The whole point is drawing the line so they cannot commit
mass murder (or the likelihood of such is substantially
diminished), while protecting the defense rights of ordinary
people - it's not getting done effectively now</p>
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<p>Loonies committing mass murder are already breaking the
law. We don't support limiting peaceful individuals rights
on behalf of people who might use those rights to do harm.</p>
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monospace;"><span style="font-family: georgia, palatino,
serif; font-size: 12pt;">In Liberty,</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia</span></div>
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<p>On 2019-08-12 14:51, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:</p>
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<p>One more thing: The whole point of the platform position
is protection against aggression - not protecting the
ability of loonies to mass murder</p>
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<p>I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is
specifically consistent with the rights of private
property owners.</p>
<p>When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and
told me the NRA would have endorsed me had they known
about me/my position. A guy on my campaign team was
supposed to get in contact with them, but he failed to
do so. (So, they endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position
was amendment of the Second Amendment along the lines
presented.</p>
<p>I do agree with rejecting legislation that is
inconsistent with the Second Amendment (as is the Brady
Bill).</p>
<p>To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the
public.</p>
<p>I could go along with resolving to reject legislation
that is inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while
stating the Party is open to changes to the Second
Amendment to recognizes changes in conditions since
enactment of the Second Amendment, etc.</p>
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Graham wrote:</div>
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<p>A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional
amendment would directly contradict our platform:</p>
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<p><strong>1.8 Self-Defense</strong></p>
<p>The only legitimate use of force is in defense of
individual rights — life, liberty, and justly
acquired property — against aggression. This right
inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided
by any other individual or group. We affirm the
individual right recognized by the Second Amendment
to keep and bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of
individuals for exercising their rights of
self-defense. Private property owners should be free
to establish their own conditions regarding the
presence of personal defense weapons on their own
property. We oppose all laws at any level of
government restricting, registering, or monitoring
the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of firearms
or ammunition.</p>
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Liberty,</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of
Georgia</span></div>
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<p>On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm
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<p>See blue below; glad to see discussion</p>
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<div dir="ltr">There are some significant Issues
with Allen's language.<br>
<br>
A state or Congress may by law require a
background check incident to any<br>
attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to
determine rights.
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<div>1. So i cant give my best friend i have known
for 40 years a ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes
friend who fears and Ex Boyfriend we cant loan
her a pistol for self defense, I cant leave my
Cousin in my house by himself.</div>
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<div> A state or Congress may by law<br>
provide for civil liability or criminal
punishment with respect to use by any individual
other than<br>
the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to
any individual. <span style="color: #000099;">AB:
As to 1 above and 2 below: The point is: If
you make your guns available to others, you
can potentially be liable if they go out and
kill people. The kid in CT (Sandy Hook) took
his parent's guns. The whole point of
liability/punishment as provided by law
requires legilators to come up with when such
provisions should apply</span>. <br>
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2. So i can be held liable for someone use or
Miss Use of weapon i am not in control of, IE
someone breaks in my house and steals a weapon
then shoots up a school i might be held liable?
(this is a bad idea)<br>
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A state or Congress may by law restrict or
prohibit the use of rapid fire guns. <span
style="color: #000099;">AB: Same as above. I
would think older people ordinarily should be
able to get rapid fire guns, as they are
needed to protect themselves. Again, it's up
to lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no federal law
would exist and states would act as they saw
fit. The whole point of permitting state and
federal laws is the Feds would likely provide
a floor in at least most of the areas noted.
Some states might do nothing. Other states,
perhaps such as California, would be very
restrictive. Open to other language. The point
is machine guns, etc. are not needed by the
vast majority of the public for protection or
hunting, etc. </span><br>
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3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action
rifle.<br>
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<p>While I'm in favor of some changes to the
Second Amendment, I think they can legally
happen only through an amendment to the U.S.
Constitution (i.e. a change to the Second
Amendment). So, I don't disagree with
anything in the resolutions.</p>
<p>However, I suggest whatever is done leave
and be open to a reasonable amendment to the
Second Amendment -- simple saying NO to any
action doesn't cut it - in my opinion.
Something needs to be done. I don't think
the framers would adopt the Second Amendment
given's today's reality.</p>
<p>What I believe is reasonable is attached;
other possibilities exist</p>
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<p>Hey Team,</p>
<p>Elizabeth Melton has put together a
resolution for consideration tonight about
Red Flag laws. Please review and be
prepared to discuss and vote for the
meeting tonight.</p>
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