The good thing about Oklahoma City would be that if the petition drive needs a boost near the end (but I don't think that it will), LNC members could go out and petition. Bill Redpath On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:41 AM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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As a retired person living on a declining (as opposed to fixed) income, with interest rates still at almost zero, oil below $40, natural gas at $2; I vote for someplace that’s inexpensive. Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region 1 Libertarian National Committee 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, CO 80122-2710 303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Sam Goldstein Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:41 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Alicia, Thanks for taking the initiative on this. I'd be ok with any of the sites, although the WA site is very far from Sea-Tac and Atlantic City is Atlantic City. I don't want to have the meeting at OKC. Sam Goldstein On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I'd go for OK City ... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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While I found the comments by Kevin interesting, and while I have no problem paying for attending Libertarian meetings,  I would agree with Norman because as a general rule I do not enjoy wasting money.  Thus, if I need to stay in a hotel room for the night,  I pick the cheapest clean hotel available that fits my needs, because I use a hotel room to sleep in, and I sleep just as well in a $28 bed as I do in a $280 bed.   If I am at a small business meeting,  I find the discussions go just fine in a cheaper setting as a expensive setting. Roland Riemers Reg 6,  ND From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> To: Norman.Olsen@lp.org; lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Norm, I really enjoy talking with you, loved our chat on the way to the MCO airport last month, and always appreciate your technology pushes within the LP.  I also think you're just a really nice guy.  That said, I have to very strongly argue against your plea here.  Furthermore, now that I have discovered that this email list can apparently be read by the general public, I don't feel the plea makes a good case for us and would like to suggest a strongly opposite view to those reading along. LNC: I have now written several responses to the spending mentality of the LNC.  I'm not sure how they're received by the body, but I would like to once again take an opportunity to inject real-world business thinking into our team.  I hope I am not dismissed for my age as I've had a fairly successful run with my businesses and have many, many years to grow.  Since I've had at least SOME successes, I would like to bring those experience into the board.  Surely, I cannot be the only person who sees a million dollar budget as a 'very small' budget. This recurring theme of having members focus on absolutely nominal dollar amounts paints a picture that we are a clubhouse of amateurs.  As I keep harping on, we are going to be seen that way so long as we continue to focus on the lowest common denominator and ignore business advice that maximizes the ROI from our donation base. We can not cater our meetings to the needs of the elected body.  That is not how the process works.  We must cater our meetings to whatever maximizes our ability to do our job and whatever presents the best appearance for the Libertarian Party.  There are obviously other factors, but nominal cost should really not be an issue.  If members are unable to afford meetings then the cold truth is that they lack the basic requirements for being a board member.  As an alternative, I would argue they simply need to put in extra effort to raise the money it takes.  It really blows my mind that the Libertarian Party, of all groups in the world, struggles with this reality.  We preach it philosophically and then perpetually ignore it in practice.  Think for a second how angry any of us gets when the government wants to cater to the lowest common denominator.  We flip the hell out.  We cite all of the reasons on how it's bad for progress; we illustrate how it removes choice; we illustrate wow it removes innovation.  We even form a political party to counter it.  And then we go and do the exact same thing with said political party. It might appear unnecessary to rant on this merely because a member asks the body for an "inexpensive" meeting, but in my 6 short months on this board it has become so clear to me that this is a systemic problem. Among others, I serve on the board of directors for a local theater group in Austin called "The Rude Mechanicals".  Even we require that our members give-or-get $600 per year.  For local theater, the mostly poorly paid, non-business-savvy collective of people in the entire art sphere, they figure it out!  Why can't we? So my point is that I couldn't care less if a hotel room is $79 or $129 or $179.  Further, as a member of this board, none of you should either.  If it accomplishes the objective that we need to accomplish, then it is the cost of doing business.  Nobody is advocating we get suites at the Ritz and that too would be inappropriate.  But penny pinching in this manner is counter-productive.  If this means you spend an extra $200 / year on hotels, then that's just what it takes. I would be more than happy to put together a report illustrating how this kind of thing is perceived outside of the LNC.  I can assure you it's not good.  You know why rich people give to rich organizations?  Because they know the organization knows how to spend their money!  You know why rich people rarely donate to amateur organizations?  Because they know their money is likely to get pissed away.  Saving $20 on a hotel does NOT indicate to wealthy donors that you know how to save money.  To the stark contrary, it illustrates that you have so little experience with raising, earning, and/or spending money that $20 must actually be important to you.  Please think about that.  I'm not making this stuff up. Yes, I realize these are harsh words.  Yes, I realize they're likely not received well by many in this group.  But I did not sign up to be a member of the LNC so that I could worry about getting perpetually re-elected.  I write what I write not because it is popular, but because it is one of the many realities of why we struggle to build our membership.  I would genuinely like to see this party grow into something bigger than it is.  If it going to do so then it requires financiers.  ...and it is not going to get a steady stream of financiers if it cannot illustrate that it knows how to spend real-world money in a way that makes money.  I would be more than happy to defend that position if anyone wants to challenge it. When we start acting like a board that understands how to spend millions of dollars, perhaps people will be willing to give us millions of dollars.  Until then we're going to get exactly what we appear to be worth. Finally, I know some very impressive fundraising coaches in Austin.  I would really encourage us to hire one of these people at some point.  It would probably cost a couple hundred dollars.  The LNC would do very well to learn how this stuff works from professionals.  I've had the benefit of attending a variety of these classes over the years given other boards and commissions I work with.  I would be more than happy to suggest a firm or two if anybody is interested. Un-opinionated as always, Kevin Ludlow Region 7 512-773-3968 (please call or text with your complaints :) ) On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote: As a retired person living on a declining (as opposed to fixed) income, with interest rates still at almost zero, oil below $40, natural gas at $2; I vote for someplace that’s inexpensive. Norm--Norman T OlsenRegional Representative, Region 1Libertarian National Committee7931 South Broadway, PMB 102Littleton, CO  80122-2710303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Sam Goldstein Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:41 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Alicia, Thanks for taking the initiative on this.  I'd be ok with any of the sites, although the WA site is very far from Sea-Tac and Atlantic City is Atlantic City.  I don't want to have the meeting at OKC. Sam Goldstein On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.  (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia  On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:I'd go for OK City ... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC MeetingSam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

Sam Goldstein _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like. Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com <mailto:agmattson@gmail.com>> wrote:

...

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net <mailto:guy@mclendon.net>> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org>] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we > have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from > staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made. > > Live Free, > > Sam Goldstein > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix? Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

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On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

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Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com <mailto:agmattson@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net <mailto:guy@mclendon.net>> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org>] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we > have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from > staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made. > > Live Free, > > Sam Goldstein > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21. Wes Benedict, Executive Director On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

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I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232>, wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org> facebook.com/libertarians <http://facebook.com/libertarians> @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

...

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com <mailto:agmattson@gmail.com>> wrote:

...

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net <mailto:guy@mclendon.net>> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org>] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we > have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from > staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made. > > Live Free, > > Sam Goldstein > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist. I'm fine meeting anywhere. My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma. I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

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I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

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I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org <mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org>> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

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Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com <mailto:agmattson@gmail.com>> wrote:

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Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net <mailto:guy@mclendon.net>> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

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Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com <mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>> wrote: > > The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we > have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from > staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would > like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made. > > Live Free, > > Sam Goldstein > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial. Tim From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist. I'm fine meeting anywhere. My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma. I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly? On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.  Wes Benedict, Executive Director On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans. * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least) -Kevin On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix? Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote: I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.  Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like. Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote: Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.  On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend.  (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA)  I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I'd go for OK City ... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

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The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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LNC Members: I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email. That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket? We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights. What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later. I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task. If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately? Thank you very much. Kevin Ludlow Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

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On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

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On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

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Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

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The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

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Mr Sarwark offers a compelling argument. Please change my vote of preference, as follows: #1 OK City, #2 New Orleans. No preference on others. Guy McLendon LNC At Large Member Chair Affiliate Support Committee Cell 832-372-8131 -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Sarwark Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:32 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting All, We've received word from some of the hotels that are potential convention sites that that weekend is unavailable for our meeting. We are waiting on word from some of the others. We can make any of the cities work, but if the convention hotels are unavailable, there's less of an LNC business reason for having the meeting in that city. My hope is to have word back from all of the potential convention hotels by the end of this week. My personal preference is Oklahoma City because I love the winter weather in the Midwest. ;) Actually, it's because the timing of the LNC meeting would make it possible to coincide with a Friday or Monday petition signature turn in and press conference for arguably the biggest political accomplishment of this LNC term and provide a much-needed morale boost to the Oklahoma Libertarian Party. -Nick On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:10 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much. Kevin Ludlow Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

...

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

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On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

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On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

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The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

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Mr. Ludlow: I feel your pain. Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018 Convention site. I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to most normal people having this week off (Note - I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal). I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016 to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit. If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below. Scott Lieberman _____ From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting LNC Members: I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email. That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket? We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights. What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later. I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task. If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately? Thank you very much. Kevin Ludlow Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968 HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix . From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial. Tim _____ From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist. I'm fine meeting anywhere. My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma. I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly? On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21. Wes Benedict, Executive Director On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans. * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least) -Kevin On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix? Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote: I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like. Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote: Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday. On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I'd go for OK City ... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from

staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would

like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

Sam Goldstein

Kevin, Thanks for setting up the survey. Should have been done a month ago. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.

If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll. It takes about 4 seconds. It seems it would just be easy to give staff a definitive answer. I don't know of an easier way.

Please include your name in the comment section.

http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-ha...

Thank you. Kevin Ludlow

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

...

Mr. Ludlow:

I feel your pain.

Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018 Convention site.

I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to most normal people

having this week off (Note – I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal).

I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016 to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit. If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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*From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to

research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco

recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are

interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.

Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your

flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people

there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees

everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

...

have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from

...

staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would

...

like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

...

...

Live Free,

...

...

Sam Goldstein

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So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions: 1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case, would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get 50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made? 2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel like I may have more information than others who've not asked those questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information is used in the discussion? 3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight deadline? Thanks, Brett C. Bittner brett@brettbittner.com 404.492.6524 "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

Kevin,

Thanks for setting up the survey. Should have been done a month ago.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.

If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll. It takes about 4 seconds. It seems it would just be easy to give staff a definitive answer. I don't know of an easier way.

Please include your name in the comment section.

http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-ha...

Thank you. Kevin Ludlow

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

...

Mr. Ludlow:

I feel your pain.

Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018 Convention site.

I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to most normal people

having this week off (Note – I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal).

I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016 to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit. If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

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On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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*From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to

research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco

recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are

interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.

Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your

flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people

there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees

everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

...

have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from

...

staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would

...

like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

...

...

Live Free,

...

...

Sam Goldstein

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There is currently ONE vote for Louisiana. It does not have a name attached to it. If you voted for this, please email me privately so I can record it. Thanks. Kevin On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

I'd be happy to respond to all of that.

1. No, it's not a motion. It has no binding authority under our rules. But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.

2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly. If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we should wait on it further. This should not be a complicated task. I truly don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has passed.

3. I'm all for it. To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW IF YOU HAVE ONE*. I would encourage anyone who has any relevant information to put it out there. What I really struggle with here is our unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process. So I've created one. I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem just becomes a lack of participation.

Everyone has email. It takes literal seconds to respond. I'm totally sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays, but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part. If one chooses not to voice their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not especially necessary to the conversation.

I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot. I do hope that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

...

So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:

1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case, would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get 50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made? 2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel like I may have more information than others who've not asked those questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information is used in the discussion? 3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight deadline?

Thanks,

Brett C. Bittner

brett@brettbittner.com 404.492.6524

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein < goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Kevin,

Thanks for setting up the survey. Should have been done a month ago.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.

If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll. It takes about 4 seconds. It seems it would just be easy to give staff a definitive answer. I don't know of an easier way.

Please include your name in the comment section.

http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-ha...

Thank you. Kevin Ludlow

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

...

Mr. Ludlow:

I feel your pain.

Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018 Convention site.

I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to most normal people

having this week off (Note – I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal).

I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016 to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit. If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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*From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to

research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco

recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are

interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.

Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your

flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people

there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees

everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

...

...

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

...

have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from

...

staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would

...

like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

...

...

Live Free,

...

...

Sam Goldstein

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I vote for Atlantic City.                      Ed Marsh Region 2 Alternate   From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2015 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting There is currently ONE vote for Louisiana.  It does not have a name attached to it. If you voted for this, please email me privately so I can record it. Thanks. Kevin On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: I'd be happy to respond to all of that. 1. No, it's not a motion.  It has no binding authority under our rules.  But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words. 2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly.  If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we should wait on it further.  This should not be a complicated task.  I truly don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has passed. 3. I'm all for it.  To echo Mr. Bittner: PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW IF YOU HAVE ONE.  I would encourage anyone who has any relevant information to put it out there.  What I really struggle with here is our unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process.  So I've created one.  I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem just becomes a lack of participation. Everyone has email.  It takes literal seconds to respond.  I'm totally sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays, but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part.  If one chooses not to voice their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not especially necessary to the conversation.  I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot.  I do hope that at least clears up my intent behind the poll. -Kevin On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote: So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions: - As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case, would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get 50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made? - Having asked several people several questions regarding this meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel like I may have more information than others who've not asked those questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information is used in the discussion? - Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight deadline? Thanks, Brett C. Bittner brett@brettbittner.com404.492.6524 "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote: Kevin, Thanks for setting up the survey.  Should have been done a month ago. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair. If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll.  It takes about 4 seconds.  It seems it would just be easy to give staff a definitive answer.  I don't know of an easier way. Please include your name in the comment section. http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-ha... Thank you. Kevin Ludlow On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:  Mr. Ludlow: I feel your pain. Helms-Briscoe is currentlygetting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels thatare on the short list for our 2018 Convention site. I think it was the EDwho wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to mostnormal people having this week off  (Note–  I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal). I suggest we givestaff until Thursday, January 7, 2016  to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoeis able to solicit.  If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggestthat we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.    Scott Lieberman    From: Lnc-business[mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] OnBehalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 20158:11 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business]February LNC Meeting LNC Members:I really dislike beingthat guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others areremaining silent.  I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strongtone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doinghere.  I was very present in Orlandoand am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email. That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeksago.  It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and nodoubt several others) felt should have already been locked down.  Irealize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that eachof us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or herfront pocket?We need to select a location;we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.What specifically isneeded from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week?  Iwould be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting).  Iwould be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice ofthe four locations was via email.  Either way, if this is to be democratic(which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members untilDecember 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later. I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishingthis very simple and discrete task.If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversationentirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincereapologies.  I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake.  But ifnot, can we please lock this down immediately? Thank you very much.Kevin LudlowRegion 7 Rep 512-773-3968 HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon<guy@mclendon.net>wrote:I strongly prefer New Orleansover Phoenix …  From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org]On Behalf Of Tim Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 201511:48 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business]February LNC Meeting I'm fine with any ofthose locations, including Seattlealthough I will be there next month for a memorial. Tim  From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 20151:02 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business]February LNC Meeting The LNC would not bepetitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC mighthelp with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready toturn in. Other press opportunities might exist. I'm fine meeting anywhere. My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have topack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So,if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great pricesand new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have manyrelatives in Oklahoma. I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A.,but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seemslike a long long way to fly for most people. Wes Benedict,Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians@LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membershipOn 12/23/2015 3:45PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Regarding OKC, isthere an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead ofmeeting?  Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into itincorrectly? On Wed, Dec 23, 2015at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:My quick checks showNew Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares forFebruary 19-21.  Wes Benedict,Executive DirectorOn 12/23/2015 3:37PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans. * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenixitself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there* While it's notentirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a littleat least)-Kevin  On Wed, Dec 23, 2015at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?Wes Benedict,Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians@LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membershipOn 12/23/2015 3:30PM, Sam Goldstein wrote: I don't want a LNCmeeting at OKC.   Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 23, 2015at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:Robert found acouple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, freebreakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars orso. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could signa deal right away if you'd like. Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, wecan wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those tothe OKC options, or go with OKC now. Wes Benedict,Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians@LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membershipOn 12/19/2015 9:59AM, Wes Benedict wrote: Nick asked staff todo the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.  On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com>wrote: Since we don't yethave a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 sitesearch agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might haveavailable space for the Feb 20 weekend.  (Cities are:  Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offersquickly if they're available. -Alicia  On Tue, Dec 15, 2015at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:I'd go for OK City... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

have not yet selected a location.  Can we please get a report from

staff as to which locations we are considering?  I, for one, would

like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

Sam Goldstein

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That's the most relevant. Brett **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos. On Dec 30, 2015 3:47 PM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not sure what the unspecified-but-relevant information is that Mr. Bittner referred to, however since I do sometimes get copied on off-list emails, I do know that the Bellevue, WA contender for 2018 and one of the two Phoenix-area contenders said they do not have meeting space available for the Feb 20-21 weekend. I believe the other three 2018 contenders have this week submitted proposals and Helms Briscoe is shoring up some of the details with them.

-Alicia

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I'd be happy to respond to all of that.

1. No, it's not a motion. It has no binding authority under our rules. But if 15 people respond and we still feel we need to defer to a proper motion to get "the board's feel" then I'd be truly at a loss for words.

2. I would never silence anyone - ever, but this has just gotten silly. If relevant information hasn't injected into the discussion within nearly SIX weeks of conversation, then I'm not sure when it would be or why we should wait on it further. This should not be a complicated task. I truly don't mean to sound curt in that response, but surely the time for that has passed.

3. I'm all for it. To echo Mr. Bittner: *PLEASE SHARE YOUR OPINION NOW IF YOU HAVE ONE*. I would encourage anyone who has any relevant information to put it out there. What I really struggle with here is our unwillingness to place a hard deadline on this process. So I've created one. I guess everyone can just ignore that deadline, but then the problem just becomes a lack of participation.

Everyone has email. It takes literal seconds to respond. I'm totally sympathetic to staff not being able to close this deal due to the holidays, but that has no bearing on US doing OUR part. If one chooses not to voice their opinion then my personal position is that their opinion is not especially necessary to the conversation.

I wish I could force the participation, but I obviously cannot. I do hope that at least clears up my intent behind the poll.

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

...

So that I'm clear about this survey, I have a couple questions:

1. As it's not a motion, will there be anything binding about the outcome, other than the possibility of it being used in a motion's discussion to show the "sense of the body"? I know many take off lots of time around the holidays and don't check their e-mail. That being the case, would a result that is a landslide for one location, but did not even get 50% participation, be used in the discussion when a formal motion is made? 2. Having asked several people several questions regarding this meeting, as I'm having to coordinate travel with another group to accommodate a speaking engagement on the day before the meeting, I feel like I may have more information than others who've not asked those questions. I don't recall seeing all of that information make its way onto the LNC-Discuss list. Can we expect a survey with the info available now not be used to push a certain location once the actual motion for a location presents itself, where the discovery of all available information is used in the discussion? 3. Is it possible for all of the moving parts that may affect the possible locations be shared on this list before Mr. Ludlow's midnight deadline?

Thanks,

Brett C. Bittner

brett@brettbittner.com 404.492.6524

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Sam Goldstein < goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Kevin,

Thanks for setting up the survey. Should have been done a month ago.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thank you for the update, Mr. Chair.

If the democratic process is of any value, here is an online poll. It takes about 4 seconds. It seems it would just be easy to give staff a definitive answer. I don't know of an easier way.

Please include your name in the comment section.

http://www.polljunkie.com/poll/ziybzf/with-all-of-the-information-you-now-ha...

Thank you. Kevin Ludlow

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

...

Mr. Ludlow:

I feel your pain.

Helms-Briscoe is currently getting bids for our February LNC Session from most or all of the hotels that are on the short list for our 2018 Convention site.

I think it was the ED who wrote us that it is difficult to get bids from hotels this week due to most normal people

having this week off (Note – I have to work this week, so I am clearly not normal).

I suggest we give staff until Thursday, January 7, 2016 to collect the bids that Helms-Briscoe is able to solicit. If we have no decent bids on that date, then I suggest that we do what Mr. Ludlow suggests below.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:11 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

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*From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to

research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco

recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are

interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast.

Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your

flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people

there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees

everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com>

wrote:

>

> The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we

> have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from

> staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would

> like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

>

> Live Free,

>

> Sam Goldstein

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Hello Kevin . . . I appreciate your doing this. OKC is fine with me, and Phoenix would be my second choice. Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region 1 Libertarian National Committee 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, CO 80122-2710 303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:11 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting LNC Members: I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email. That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket? We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights. What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later. I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task. If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately? Thank you very much. Kevin Ludlow Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968 On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix … From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial. Tim _____ From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist. I'm fine meeting anywhere. My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma. I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly? On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21. Wes Benedict, Executive Director On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote: I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans. * PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there * While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least) -Kevin On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix? Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote: I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote: Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like. Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now. Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232 <tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232> , wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote: Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday. On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available. -Alicia On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote: I'd go for OK City ... -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC. I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though Sent from my iPad

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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Okc Daniel Hayes LNC Region 7 Alternate Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:09 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

You're welcome, Norm.

So as of 2:00AM CST December 31st, the tallies are as follows:

Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)

Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson

New Orleans Arvin Vohra

Atlantic City Josh Katz

Bellevue Roland Rimers

Have not heard from Tim Hagan Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Lieberman Jim Lark Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Daniel Hayes Rich Tomasso

It would be great if the remaining 11 people could cast a vote.

-Kevin

...

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote: Hello Kevin . . .

I appreciate your doing this.

OKC is fine with me, and Phoenix would be my second choice.

Norm

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:11 PM

To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Tim Hagan Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

From: Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

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On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be made.

Live Free,

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Has anyone looked into flights to OKC? They are very expensive from IND with almost no direct service. Sam On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:15 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Slightly updated for 3:00am CST. 16 votes cast. 10 votes missing.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Tim Hagan Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Lieberman Jim Lark Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:10 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com> wrote:

...

Okc

Daniel Hayes LNC Region 7 Alternate

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:09 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

You're welcome, Norm.

So as of 2:00AM CST December 31st, the tallies are as follows:

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Tim Hagan Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Lieberman Jim Lark Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Daniel Hayes Rich Tomasso

It would be great if the remaining 11 people could cast a vote.

-Kevin

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 1:22 AM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:

...

Hello Kevin . . .

I appreciate your doing this.

OKC is fine with me, and Phoenix would be my second choice.

Norm

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Regional Representative, Region 1

Libertarian National Committee

7931 South Broadway, PMB 102

Littleton, CO 80122-2710

303-263-4995

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:11 PM

*To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

LNC Members:

I really dislike being that guy who sends multiple emails to a list-serve when most others are remaining silent. I also recognize that I sometimes vocalize a strong tone, but I'm trying really hard to patiently understand what we're doing here. I was very present in Orlando and am pretty sure I have not missed a single word of email.

That being said, this specific email thread was started over two weeks ago. It was started by Mr. Goldstein as a way to expedite what he (and no doubt several others) felt should have already been locked down. I realize the holidays have been upon us, but are we really to believe that each of us cannot send 30-second-long emails from the convenience of his or her front pocket?

We need to select a location; we need to book hotels; we need to book flights.

What specifically is needed from this board in order to have a decision made THIS week? I would be happy to setup a Doodle Poll (as I believe Mr. Katz suggested at the Orlando meeting). I would be happy if staff simply asked the body - again - what their choice of the four locations was via email. Either way, if this is to be democratic (which I don't feel it needs to be) then I would advocate giving members until December 30th, 11:59pm EST to submit their response and not a second later.

I really don't care how it's done, but surely we are capable of accomplishing this very simple and discrete task.

If this has already been done and I've just missed the conversation entirely then please paint me a fool and accept my most sincere apologies. I'll buy every one of you a beer for my mistake. But if not, can we please lock this down immediately?

Thank you very much.

Kevin Ludlow

Region 7 Rep 512-773-3968

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:32 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I strongly prefer New Orleans over Phoenix …

*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Tim Hagan *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 11:48 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I'm fine with any of those locations, including Seattle although I will be there next month for a memorial.

Tim

------------------------------

*From:* Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Sent:* Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:02 PM

*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

The LNC would not be petitioning. I'm expecting to have enough signature before then. Some LNC might help with a publicity event on Friday or Monday if the signatures are ready to turn in. Other press opportunities might exist.

I'm fine meeting anywhere.

My usual first place choices for every meeting are New Orleans (close to my parents & great food), Las Vegas (fun), or DC (I don't have to pack). I was very pleasantly surprised with how nice Phoenix was last March. Loved the hotel. So, if you are worried that I'm pushing too hard for OKC, it's for the great prices and new LP activity there, not for me personally, although I have many relatives in Oklahoma.

I was previously pushing to combine it with training in San Francisco or L.A., but could not get consensus. I'd be fine with Washington state, personally, but it seems like a long long way to fly for most people.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/23/2015 3:45 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Regarding OKC, is there an actual expectation that the LNC would be out petitioning instead of meeting? Did I just misunderstand that or possibly read into it incorrectly?

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

My quick checks show New Orleans, OKC, and Phoenix all have reasonably good airfares for February 19-21.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director

On 12/23/2015 3:37 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

I would advocate Phoenix over New Orleans.

* PHX is easy and generally cheap to fly into * Phoenix itself is easy to get around * Car rentals tend to be super cheap in Phoenix * The city is specifically setup for business conferences * We have two potential sites to visit there

* While it's not entirely west coast, it does address that imbalance to other members (a little at least)

-Kevin

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Sam, what about New Orleans or Phoenix?

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On 12/23/2015 3:30 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:

I don't want a LNC meeting at OKC.

Sam Goldstein

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Robert found a couple of properties in OKC with rooms at around the $80/night level, free breakfast, and the meeting space is free or just a couple hundred dollars or so. That would be the least expensive LNC meeting in a long time. We could sign a deal right away if you'd like.

Helms Briscoe says they don't expect proposals the week of Christmas. So, we can wait to see what comes up with Helms Briscoe later, and compare those to the OKC options, or go with OKC now.

Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. *New address: 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314* (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict@lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

On 12/19/2015 9:59 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:

Nick asked staff to do the same so Robert also contacted helms Briscoe Friday.

On Dec 19, 2015, at 1:50 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we don't yet have a plan for a February meeting location, I just emailed our 2018 site search agent asking her to find out if any of the short-list options might have available space for the Feb 20 weekend. (Cities are: Atlantic City, NJ; New Orleans, LA; Phoenix, AZ; Bellevue, WA) I indicated that time is of the essence, so they should send us their offers quickly if they're available.

-Alicia

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:

I'd go for OK City ...

-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:42 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Sam, at least as of a week ago I don't think staff has been asked to research any locations. Copying Robert to verify. I proposed San Francisco recently but got zero interest from the LNC.

I found a great place in Oklahoma City for $79 per night if you all are interested. Best Western Saddleback. Nice meeting space and free breakfast. Southwest Airlines doesn't charge change fees if you need to change your flight. I flew into the ice storm Saturday after Thanksgiving and the people there didn't seem to panic even with downed power lines and trees everywhere. Was nice to be able to change flight just in case though

Sent from my iPad

...

On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com

wrote:

...

The date we set for our next meeting is rapidly approaching and we have not yet selected a location. Can we please get a report from staff as to which locations we are considering? I, for one, would like to get this wrapped up in the next week so travel plans can be

made.

...

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Mr Riemers: I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines. Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday, and a 6pm departure on Sunday. I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis. Scott Lieberman _____ From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Roland Riemers Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive. I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down. Roland Riemers ND

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home. Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737 “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

...

Mr Riemers:

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

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And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology. *Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer *Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman *New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) *Atlantic City* Josh Katz *Bellevue* Roland Rimers *Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso Thanks, Doug. On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" < doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" < scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>, ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

...

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who

...

have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

...

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

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Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below. *Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer *Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City) *New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) *Atlantic City* Josh Katz *Bellevue* Roland Rimers *Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos. On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso

Thanks, Doug.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

...

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" < doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" < scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>, ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole < sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

...

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who

...

have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

...

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

Roland Riemers ND

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Quick update: I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v): Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped! Happy New Year!​​​​ Robert _____ size=3 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call. Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week. I'm fine either place. Any time. Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like. I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock. On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City) New Orleans Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote: After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix? Brett Bittner **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos. On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman New Orleans Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso Thanks, Doug. <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote: New Orleans Doug -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>,ron.windeler@lp.org CC: Hey Guys. While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say. Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction. You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968 Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something. -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: 12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman New Orleans Arvin Vohra Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote: I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home. Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) <tel:%28816%29%20739-2737> 739-2737 “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll). And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch. *Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark *Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman *New Orleans* Arvin Vohra *Atlantic City* Josh Katz *Bellevue* Roland Rimers *Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote: Mr Riemers: I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines. Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday, and a 6pm departure on Sunday. I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis. Scott Lieberman ------------------------------ *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive. I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down. Roland Riemers ND _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

My poll entry was based upon Mr. Sarwark’s comments about the OK ballot access drive, and not upon cost. If my personal cost & convenience were a factor, I’d vote for New Orleans. From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Scott L. Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:29 PM To: 'lnc-business' Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL – but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our donors pay for staff to go to these meetings. Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office. Happy New Year!​​​​ Robert _____ size=3 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote. I was intentionally meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost. We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party. It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money. While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money. If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now. If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them. If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so. Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet. Factor the 2018 convention. Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation. Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like. But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you. Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter. Kevin Ludlow On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote: Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out. Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each? I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with. Scott Lieberman _____ From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Kraus Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting Quick update: I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v): Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped! Happy New Year!​​​​ Robert GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG <hr size=3 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call. Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week. I'm fine either place. Any time. Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like. I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock. On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City) New Orleans Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote: After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix? Brett Bittner **This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos. On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman New Orleans Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll) Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso Thanks, Doug. <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote: New Orleans Doug -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>,ron.windeler@lp.org CC: Hey Guys. While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say. Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction. You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968 Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something. -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote: 12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote. Oklahoma City Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole Phoenix Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman New Orleans Arvin Vohra Atlantic City Josh Katz Bellevue Roland Rimers Have not heard from Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote: I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home. Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) <tel:%28816%29%20739-2737> 739-2737 “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote: Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll). And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch. *Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark *Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman *New Orleans* Arvin Vohra *Atlantic City* Josh Katz *Bellevue* Roland Rimers *Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote: Mr Riemers: I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines. Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday, and a 6pm departure on Sunday. I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis. Scott Lieberman ------------------------------ *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive. I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down. Roland Riemers ND _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair? Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. ) Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans? I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix. I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there. Happy new year! p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate content.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks. This is the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.

We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something, $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies. We're talking about a meeting for 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party. I believe our annual budget is about $1.4m?

$2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m. I realize that it might seem like a lot of money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're working with, it's pennies on the dollar. I don't mean to sound insensitive there, but it's the reality of it. If the body needs to consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a dent in our budget.

There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the country. I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here. This is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world business. I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very seriously.

-Kevin Ludlow

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus@lp.org> wrote: Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL – but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.

Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.

Happy New Year!​​​​

Robert

size=3 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Ludlow Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM

To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote.

I was intentionally meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost. We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party. It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money. While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now. If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them. If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so. Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet. Factor the 2018 convention. Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation. Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like. But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.

Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out.

Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose

Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.

Scott Lieberman

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Kraus Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Quick update:

I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):

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Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!

Happy New Year!​​​​

Robert

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call.

Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week.

I'm fine either place. Any time.

Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.

I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock.

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On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below.

Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

Atlantic City Josh Katz

Bellevue Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

Atlantic City Josh Katz

Bellevue Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

Thanks, Doug.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>,ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra

Atlantic City Josh Katz

Bellevue Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Scott Spencer

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

Roland Riemers ND

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Ed Marsh voted for Atlantic City. Vicki Kirkland Region 2 Rep On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

I texted with Mr. Redpath and he did in fact select OKC. I left a text message for Mr. Tomasso, and voice messages for Mr. Marsh and Mr. Windeler. They are the 3 outstanding voices. I've reflected the tally below.

...

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Like many people on this board, the chair is a family man. I am not. I have more time. I fail to see why it matters who accomplishes a goal we all agreed would be accomplished at our last meeting. Furthermore, we spent 2 months and got a mere 6 voices to weigh in. We just had 23 different voices speak up in less than 2 days. I'll let my process stand for itself.

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Kevin, what would big business people say?

They wouldn't say anything. They would have done their job 4 weeks ago and been through a dozen other items since.

As a final response, I want to point out that I don't care about the politics of this and I likely never will. I want to get stuff done. I did what I felt it would take to get stuff done. And in the matter of getting the board to participate, I got that stuff done. I'm not challenging anybody, I just don't want to waste my precious hours on futility.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

...

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. )

Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans? I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix.

I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there.

Happy new year!

p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate content.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks. This is the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.

We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something, $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies. We're talking about a meeting for 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party. I believe our annual budget is about $1.4m?

$2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m. I realize that it might seem like a lot of money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're working with, it's pennies on the dollar. I don't mean to sound insensitive there, but it's the reality of it. If the body needs to consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a dent in our budget.

There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the country. I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here. This is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world business. I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very seriously.

-Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus@lp.org> wrote:

...

Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL – but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.

Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM

*To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote.

I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost. We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party. It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money. While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now. If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them. If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so. Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet. Factor the 2018 convention. Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation. Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like. But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.

Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out.

Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose

Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Kraus *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Quick update:

I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):

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Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Wes Benedict *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call.

Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week.

I'm fine either place. Any time.

Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.

I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below.

* Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

Thanks, Doug.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" < doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" < scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>, ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Scott Spencer

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole < sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

Roland Riemers ND

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We have received bids from convention hotels in Bellevue, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Atlantic City. Based on the poll Mr. Ludlow organized, I'm leaning toward planning the meeting for Oklahoma City. Robert is checking on final numbers on the bids that came in today, and should have those back by tomorrow. All of the other cities are more expensive than Oklahoma City, but I think we already knew that. If you feel we should have another poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City, please say so. If I don't hear a strong objection or request for another poll in the next day or so, I intend to ask Mr. Benedict to go forward with planning the next meeting in Oklahoma City and coordinating with the Oklahoma Libertarian Party for a press conference on the Friday prior or Monday after the meeting. -Nick On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Ms. Kirkland is right. I completely missed Mr. Marsh's response. So sorry, Ed and thanks, Vicki. That leaves Mr. Tomasso and Mr. Windeler unaccounted for; I have a message out to both of them. 24 of 26 on our LNC list have weighed in.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz Ed Marsh

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Ron Windeler Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Vicki Kirkland <vickilp12@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ed Marsh voted for Atlantic City.

Vicki Kirkland Region 2 Rep

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I texted with Mr. Redpath and he did in fact select OKC. I left a text message for Mr. Tomasso, and voice messages for Mr. Marsh and Mr. Windeler. They are the 3 outstanding voices. I've reflected the tally below.

...

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Like many people on this board, the chair is a family man. I am not. I have more time. I fail to see why it matters who accomplishes a goal we all agreed would be accomplished at our last meeting. Furthermore, we spent 2 months and got a mere 6 voices to weigh in. We just had 23 different voices speak up in less than 2 days. I'll let my process stand for itself.

...

Kevin, what would big business people say?

They wouldn't say anything. They would have done their job 4 weeks ago and been through a dozen other items since.

As a final response, I want to point out that I don't care about the politics of this and I likely never will. I want to get stuff done. I did what I felt it would take to get stuff done. And in the matter of getting the board to participate, I got that stuff done. I'm not challenging anybody, I just don't want to waste my precious hours on futility.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

...

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. )

Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans? I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix.

I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there.

Happy new year!

p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate content.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks. This is the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.

We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something, $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies. We're talking about a meeting for 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party. I believe our annual budget is about $1.4m?

$2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m. I realize that it might seem like a lot of money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're working with, it's pennies on the dollar. I don't mean to sound insensitive there, but it's the reality of it. If the body needs to consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a dent in our budget.

There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the country. I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here. This is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world business. I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very seriously.

-Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus@lp.org> wrote:

...

Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL – but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.

Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM

*To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote.

I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost. We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party. It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money. While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now. If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them. If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so. Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet. Factor the 2018 convention. Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation. Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like. But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.

Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out.

Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose

Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Robert Kraus *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

Quick update:

I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):

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Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Wes Benedict *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call.

Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week.

I'm fine either place. Any time.

Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.

I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below.

* Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner < brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

Thanks, Doug.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" < doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" < scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>, ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

-- ======================================================== Kevin Ludlow 512-773-3968 http://www.kevinludlow.com

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Scott Spencer

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole < sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

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Dear colleagues: I hope all is well with you. The second sentence of my message below should read "I am writing to suggest that a poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City would be appropriate, and that the room rates for the hotels be provided prior to conducting the poll." Take care, Jim ----- On 1/6/2016 1:08 AM, James Lark wrote:

Dear colleagues:

I hope all is well with you. I am writing to suggest that a poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City would be appropriate, and that the room rates for the hotels be provided prior to conducted the poll. I suggest this for the following reasons:

* The previous poll did not allow for the expression of intensity of preference. My vote for Oklahoma City was a result of the fact that I had to select one of the listed options in order to participate in the poll. I was essentially indifferent between Phoenix and OKC when I voted.

* If we are able to hold the February meeting at a prospective convention hotel in Phoenix, then unless the cost of holding the meeting in Phoenix is substantially greater than holding it in OKC, my preference would change from a very weak preference for OKC to a weak preference for Phoenix.

* A poll with only the choices of Phoenix and OKC may produce an ordering between the two locations that is different from the one produced by the previous poll.

* If I understand correctly, the LP Oklahoma is allowed to conduct only one submission of signatures in its petitioning effort. If so, then if the deadline for submission of signatures is at least a week later than Feb. 22, my gut feeling is that the signatures should not be submitted on or about Feb. 22. Thus, it is not clear to me that one of the possible benefits of an LNC meeting in OKC (a press conference associated with the submission of the signatures) would materialize.

As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to seeing you next month.

Take care, Jim

James W. Lark, III Advisor, The Liberty Coalition University of Virginia

Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee -----

On 1/5/2016 11:36 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:

...

We have received bids from convention hotels in Bellevue, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Atlantic City. Based on the poll Mr. Ludlow organized, I'm leaning toward planning the meeting for Oklahoma City.

Robert is checking on final numbers on the bids that came in today, and should have those back by tomorrow. All of the other cities are more expensive than Oklahoma City, but I think we already knew that.

If you feel we should have another poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City, please say so. If I don't hear a strong objection or request for another poll in the next day or so, I intend to ask Mr. Benedict to go forward with planning the next meeting in Oklahoma City and coordinating with the Oklahoma Libertarian Party for a press conference on the Friday prior or Monday after the meeting.

-Nick

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Ms. Kirkland is right. I completely missed Mr. Marsh's response. So sorry, Ed and thanks, Vicki. That leaves Mr. Tomasso and Mr. Windeler unaccounted for; I have a message out to both of them. 24 of 26 on our LNC list have weighed in.

_*Oklahoma City*_ Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

_*Phoenix*_ Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

_*New Orleans*_ Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

_*Atlantic City*_ Josh Katz Ed Marsh

_*Bellevue*_ Roland Rimers

_*Have not heard from*_ Ron Windeler Rich Tomasso

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I agree with Dr. Lark that with a one-shot-turn-in scenario (especially if we feel we're tight on signature count) we should not turn in signatures early just for a photo op with the LNC. We may need the extra time to add to our signature count. -Alicia

*Only 4 People Have Not Voted. Please Vote.* http://polljunkie.com/poll/zamzoj/poll-2-please-do-not-open-the-page-and-the... As of 8:30pm CST, here are the tallies. *Oklahoma City, OK* Marc Feldman Doug Craig Vicki Kirkland Gary Johnson Nick Sarwark Bill Redpath Sean O'Toole Norm Olsen Scott Spencer *Phoenix, AZ* Kevin Ludlow Brett Bitner Jim Lark Scott Lieberman Sam Goldstein (name missing from comment - sent me email) Dan Weiner Alicia Mattson Josh Katz (voted via email, poll website wasn't working on phone) Tim Hagan *NOTA* Wes Benedict Daniel Hayes Arvin Vohra (name missing from comment - sent me email) Roland Rimers (voted via email) *Not Yet Voted* Ed Marsh Guy McLendon Ron Windeler Rich Tomasso On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 6:05 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

*Please respond ASAP*.

http://polljunkie.com/poll/zamzoj/poll-2-please-do-not-open-the-page-and-the...

Trying to keep this going so we get full input from the body.

As of 6:00pm CST, here are the tallies.

*Oklahoma City, OK* Marc Feldman Doug Craig Vicki Kirkland Gary Johnson Nick Sarwark Bill Redpath Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix, AZ* Kevin Ludlow Brett Bitner Jim Lark Scott Lieberman Sam Goldstein (name missing from comment - sent me email) Dan Weiner Alicia Mattson Josh Katz (voted via email, poll website wasn't working on phone)

*NOTA* Wes Benedict Daniel Hayes Arvin Vohra (name missing from comment - sent me email)

*Not Yet Voted* Ed Marsh Guy McLendon Norm Olsen Scott Spencer Tim Hagan Roland Rimers Ron Windeler Rich Tomasso

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:

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I agree with Dr. Lark that with a one-shot-turn-in scenario (especially if we feel we're tight on signature count) we should not turn in signatures early just for a photo op with the LNC. We may need the extra time to add to our signature count.

-Alicia

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I would like a quick poll between the two cities since my preference is still Phoenix so we can view the two potential convention hotels. Per Dr. Lark's remarks above, I see no reason to have a meeting at OKC. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

If the Chair thinks a photo op is necessary when the Oklahoma signatures are presented to the Oklahoma Secretary of State’s office, I have no problem whatsoever with him using his discretionary funds to fly from Phoenix to OKC to be present at that event.

However, since the Chair specifically mentions Friday or Monday, it is pretty obvious that for a majority of the LNC to be present at such a press conference, they need to fly to Oklahoma on Thursday, or leave on Monday. That means spending the money for an additional night at the hotel, plus missing a day of work.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Nicholas Sarwark *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2016 8:37 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

We have received bids from convention hotels in Bellevue, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Atlantic City. Based on the poll Mr. Ludlow organized, I'm leaning toward planning the meeting for Oklahoma City.

Robert is checking on final numbers on the bids that came in today, and should have those back by tomorrow. All of the other cities are more expensive than Oklahoma City, but I think we already knew that.

If you feel we should have another poll between Phoenix and Oklahoma City, please say so. If I don't hear a strong objection or request for another poll in the next day or so, I intend to ask Mr. Benedict to go forward with planning the next meeting in Oklahoma City and

*coordinating with the Oklahoma Libertarian Party for a press conference on the Friday prior or Monday after the meeting.*

Nick

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Ms. Kirkland is right. I completely missed Mr. Marsh's response. So sorry, Ed and thanks, Vicki. That leaves Mr. Tomasso and Mr. Windeler unaccounted for; I have a message out to both of them. 24 of 26 on our LNC list have weighed in.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

Ed Marsh

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Ron Windeler

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Vicki Kirkland <vickilp12@gmail.com> wrote:

Ed Marsh voted for Atlantic City.

Vicki Kirkland

Region 2 Rep

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 5:53 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

I texted with Mr. Redpath and he did in fact select OKC. I left a text message for Mr. Tomasso, and voice messages for Mr. Marsh and Mr. Windeler. They are the 3 outstanding voices. I've reflected the tally below.

...

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Like many people on this board, the chair is a family man. I am not. I have more time. I fail to see why it matters who accomplishes a goal we all agreed would be accomplished at our last meeting. Furthermore, we spent 2 months and got a mere 6 voices to weigh in. We just had 23 different voices speak up in less than 2 days. I'll let my process stand for itself.

...

Kevin, what would big business people say?

They wouldn't say anything. They would have done their job 4 weeks ago and been through a dozen other items since.

As a final response, I want to point out that I don't care about the politics of this and I likely never will. I want to get stuff done. I did what I felt it would take to get stuff done. And in the matter of getting the board to participate, I got that stuff done. I'm not challenging anybody, I just don't want to waste my precious hours on futility.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer Bill Redpath

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Wes Benedict <wes.benedict@lp.org> wrote:

Count the emails going back 2 months on this topic. Maybe next term delegate the decision to the chair?

Kevin, what would big business people say? (Not counting walmart or Berkshire Hathaway-those guys are cheap. )

Can I change my vote to half for OKC and half for New Orleans?

I'm craving crawfish. And I'm worried basking in the Phoenix sun will make me want to move LPHQ to Phoenix.

I don't worry about being tempted to move to OKC. Same for New Orleans for different reasons. Too much fun = too unhealthy to actually live there.

Happy new year!

p.s. On vacation so cut me slack on quality of humor and legitimate content.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

While I am again certain that Mr. Kraus is very well-intended here, he illustrates the point that I have been trying to make for weeks. This is the kind of stamp-counting that the LP gets caught up in.

We know there is SOME cost to having meetings. While there does exist a subjective level whereby we would have to factor the cost of something, $2,500 needs to be seen as pennies. We're talking about a meeting for 20-30 people for executive leadership of the party. I believe our annual budget is about $1.4m?

$2,500 is 0.18% of $1.4m. I realize that it might seem like a lot of money to some people, but in ANY business examination of the costs we're working with, it's pennies on the dollar. I don't mean to sound insensitive there, but it's the reality of it. If the body needs to consume an addition 0.18% of its resources to ensure the party is best represented, even if it has to do this 4 times per year, it doesn't make a dent in our budget.

There are plenty of very wealthy, high-profile Libertarians around the country. I am certain any of them would agree with my analysis here. This is not an issue of frugality, but rather inexperience with real-world business. I promise I say that lovingly, but we need to address is very seriously.

-Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Kraus <robert.kraus@lp.org> wrote:

Just to clarify – I was not talking about what was cheaper for YOU ALL – but what is likely to be the least expensive option for the PARTY AND OUR DONORS. At time a/v and wifi alone can run $1500 plus an additional $500 a day (or more) for cost of the meeting room. That’s likely to be $2500 in savings for the PARTY and our donors if you all decide on OKC. In terms of room savings – cost of travel – that is of course a factor too because our donors pay for staff to go to these meetings.

Of course the least expensive option FOR THE PARTY (and our donors) is almost always to hold meeting sin DC near the office.

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Kevin Ludlow *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 4:39 PM

*To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote.

I was *intentionally* meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost. We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party. It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money. While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now. If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them. If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so. Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet. Factor the 2018 convention. Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation. Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like. But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.

Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out.

Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose

Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.

Scott Lieberman

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Quick update:

I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue. So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):

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Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!

Happy New Year!​​​​

*Robert*

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Wes Benedict *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but with Bittners change , it's too close to call.

Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week.

I'm fine either place. Any time.

Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like.

I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure thing. Reflected in the tallies below.

* Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding. If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll) Scott Spencer

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

Thanks, Doug.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans Doug

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Voting From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" < doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" < scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>, ron.windeler@lp.org CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City, and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference. We have 20 other votes tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much. Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier in the thread. I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST. Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

*Oklahoma City*

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark Sean O'Toole

*Phoenix*

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*

Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*

Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Scott Spencer

Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole sean@kingfieldcapital.com (816) 739-2737 <%28816%29%20739-2737>

“It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.” -William Easterly, 2006 On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night. There are now only 7 people who have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix. It's not a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City* Gary Johnson Marc Feldman Brett Bittner Nick Sarwark Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans) Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans) Wes Benedict Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll) Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll) Jim Lark

*Phoenix* Kevin Ludlow Sam Goldstein Dan Wiener Alicia Mattson Tim Hagan Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans* Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City* Josh Katz

*Bellevue* Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from* Bill Redpath Doug Craig Ron Windeler Ed Marsh Scott Spencer Sean O'Toole Rich Tomasso

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:

I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.

Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.

I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta, but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.

Scott Lieberman

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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Roland Riemers *Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM *To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

I have not looked at the prices for the other cities, but February prices for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200. Connections are not too bad. At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.

I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is interesting to go to, has the services we want, has cheap air fares, and just stick with that for all future conventions, and then keep the LNC meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.

Roland Riemers ND

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