While I appreciate what Mr. Kraus is saying, I will defer back to my lengthy email from a week ago and echo exactly what Dr. Lieberman just wrote.

I was intentionally meaning for the body to make a decision WITHOUT factoring cost.  We are the very top leadership of the Libertarian Party.  It is an absurdity to think we would skirt what is ultimately best for the party to save ourselves some money.  While I am intent upon selecting a location so that at least we can save as much money as possible with advanced planning, that is a stark difference from selecting a location specifically because it would save us money.

If I had the telephone numbers of the remaining 4 members who have not voted I would call them right now.  If you have their number I would encourage YOU to call them.  If somebody would like to send me those I will in fact do so.  Either way, I would hope that our body selects the location based upon their analysis of what is most important for the PARTY, not for their own wallet.  Factor the 2018 convention.  Factor the likeliness of selecting a location more suited for the delegation.  Factor the OKC ballot drive if you like.  But please don't factor it because it's cheapest for you.

Thank you for enduring my continued positions on this matter.
Kevin Ludlow

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

 

Remember – the LNC is supposed to be checking out potential Convention sites when we meet, at least when we have potential Convention sites to check out.

 

Do we really want to report to our constituents that instead of checking out potential 2018 Convention hotels we chose

Oklahoma City for a meeting because it might save LNC members a grand total of maybe $90 each?

 

I suggest we wait until Tuesday and see what Helms-Briscoe comes up with.

 

    Scott Lieberman

 

From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Robert Kraus
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 12:50 PM
To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

 

Quick update:

 

I have OKC on hold until next week so the space is available. HB said they are working on finalizing details for one Phoenix location, Atlantic City and New Orleans. We will likely here back Mon or Tue.  So hopefully all the options will be available for final review early next week and a decision can be made. Once you all see the costs (and substancial savings vs HB) perhaps the votes will change. Right now the only firm expenses are OKC – the best deal shown below (also includes all of our usual a/v):

 

 

Mind you the sales manager is libertarian so perhaps that helped!

 

Happy New Year!​​​​

 

Robert

 

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From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Wes Benedict
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:32 PM
To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting

 

I was about to ask Robert to get a contract underway for OKC before he goes on vacation next week but  with Bittners change , it's too close to call. 

 

Bittner if you switch back it could expedite a final contract and decision by as much as a week. 

 

I'm fine either place. Any time. 

 

Robert, provide other commentary if you'd like. 

 

I'm on vacation this week and not following the details as closely as when on the clock. 

 

On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

Sure thing.  Reflected in the tallies below.


Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict
Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark
Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
Scott Spencer

 

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman
Brett Bittner (originally voted Oklahoma City)

 

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra
Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

 

Atlantic City
Josh Katz

Bellevue
Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath
Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso

 

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Brett Bittner <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:

After further consideration, can my preference be changed to Phoenix?

Brett Bittner

**This message sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos.

On Dec 31, 2015 13:34, "Kevin Ludlow" <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

And now as of 12:30 CST there are only 4 votes outstanding.  If anybody could contact those 4 just to have said everyone weighed in, it would be nice to see us utilize technology.

 

Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict
Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark
Sean O'Toole (voted in email instead of poll)
Scott Spencer

 

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

 

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra
Doug Craig (voted in email instead of poll)

 

Atlantic City
Josh Katz

Bellevue
Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath
Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Rich Tomasso








Thanks, Doug.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM, <doug@vikingmetals.com> wrote:

New Orleans
Doug


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Voting
From: Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com>
Date: Dec 31, 2015 1:07 PM
To: "Bill Redpath" <william.redpath@lp.org>,"Doug Craig" <doug.craig@lp.org>,"Ed Marsh" <ed.marsh@lp.org>,"Scott Spencer" <scott.spencer@lp.org>,"Rich Tomasso" <rich.tomasso@lp.org>,ron.windeler@lp.org
CC:

Hey Guys.

While I'm certain this should have been done 6 weeks ago, it just wasn't
and so I'm trying to at least say that everyone on the board had their say.

Out of the following: Atlantic City, Bellevue, New Orleans, Oklahoma City,
and Phoenix

Can you let me know your single preference.  We have 20 other votes
tabulated and I'd love to put this to rest on the boards end so that staff
has a clear direction.

You're welcome to text me at 512-773-3968

Thanks much.
Kevin Ludlow

PS: Apologies to Mr. Redpath as I do believe you had expressed OKC earlier
in the thread.  I just didn't want to assume it in case I misread something.

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On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Kevin Ludlow <ludlow@gmail.com> wrote:

12:00PM CST.  Only 6 people have not cast a vote.

Oklahoma City

Gary Johnson

Marc Feldman

Brett Bittner

Nick Sarwark

Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)

Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)

Wes Benedict
Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)

Jim Lark
Sean O'Toole

 

Phoenix

Kevin Ludlow

Sam Goldstein

Dan Wiener

Alicia Mattson

Tim Hagan

Scott Lieberman

 

New Orleans

Arvin Vohra

 

Atlantic City
Josh Katz

Bellevue
Roland Rimers

Have not heard from

Bill Redpath
Doug Craig
Ron Windeler

Ed Marsh

Scott Spencer

Rich Tomasso

 

 

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Sean O'Toole <sean@kingfieldcapital.com> wrote:

I've not weighed in on locations as I will be returning from an extended stay in India at roughly the same time as the meeting. If I were to attend, I would prefer OK City as it is close to home.

Sean O'Toole
sean@kingfieldcapital.com
(816) 739-2737

   “It is the job of economists to point out trade-offs; it is the job of politicians and planners to deny that trade-offs exist.”
        -William Easterly, 2006
On 31 Dec 2015, at 11:29, Kevin Ludlow wrote:

Three more trickled in over the night.  There are now only 7 people who
have not weighed in (though to be fair, Mr. Redpath had been previously
clear about supporting OKC; I just didn't feel it was fair to assign him
that since this was a new poll).

And yes, I would assume OKC is a bit more expensive than Phoenix.  It's not
a major hub by any stretch.

*Oklahoma City*
Gary Johnson
Marc Feldman
Brett Bittner
Nick Sarwark
Vicki Kirkland (originally voted New Orleans)
Guy McLendon (originally voted New Orleans)
Wes Benedict
Norm Olsen (voted via email instead of the poll)
Daniel Hayes (voted in email instead of the poll)
Jim Lark

*Phoenix*
Kevin Ludlow
Sam Goldstein
Dan Wiener
Alicia Mattson
Tim Hagan
Scott Lieberman

*New Orleans*
Arvin Vohra

*Atlantic City*
Josh Katz

*Bellevue*
Roland Rimers

*Have not heard from*
Bill Redpath
Doug Craig
Ron Windeler
Ed Marsh
Scott Spencer
Sean O'Toole
Rich Tomasso


On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Scott L. <scott73@earthlink.net> wrote:

Mr Riemers:



I just did a quick check on Southwest Airlines.



Fares for Feb 19 and 21 from Minneapolis to Oklahoma City are as little
as $280 ROUND TRIP for a 1pm arrival on Friday,

and a 6pm departure on Sunday.



I see that Grand Forks to Minneapolis via air is $740 round trip on Delta,
but I assume you can drive from your home to Minneapolis.


Scott Lieberman


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*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf
Of *Roland Riemers
*Sent:* Thursday, December 31, 2015 7:12 AM
*To:* lnc-business@hq.lp.org
*Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] February LNC Meeting







I have not looked at the prices for the other cities,  but February prices
for Grand Forks to Oklahoma City runs about $1,200.   Connections are not
too bad.  At that price I would probably do the 10 hour drive.



I still think we just need to find a nice central location that is
interesting to go to,  has the services we want,  has cheap air fares,  and
just stick with that for all future conventions,  and then keep the LNC
meetings in DC to keep the staff time and costs down.



Roland Riemers ND


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