I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a complaint with a fellow LNC member. Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to influence others to your same thinking. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments have happened. Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention committee, particularly the convention committee chair. Some of the attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance. If the chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a dignified and proper manner and give them their trial. Don't insinuate things on social media. I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's personal agenda. Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has done for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves. This is beyond ridiculous. I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for our chair to win. It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote was an incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is being made the scapegoat. If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC that is on the chair. The buck stops with him. This is beyond the realm of ridiculous at this point. If anyone wants to see the the thread where this discussion started, email me privately. It is on the thread of a private member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a public list. That member did not ask for that.
Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus? I am not.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:37 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Thank you Ms. Adams. I do hope that this body finds my RONR citations interesting reads as well and stop attacking the messenger and dealing with the message.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:26 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Thank you Mr Chair. That was an interesting read. I found this article to be interesting as well
https://www.nonprofitissues.com/to-the-point/what%E2%80%99s-risk-not-followi...
On May 4, 2020 12:48 AM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I apologize, my previous message was responded to the wrong thread. The volume of emails lately makes for a messy inbox.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 4, 2020 1:46 AM, justin.odonnell@lp.org wrote:
Quick parliamentary convention. Since Nick passed the gavel to Alex, and Mr Merced was the presiding officer at the time a motion was made to adjourn the meeting to a specific date and time, are we not technically in that same meeting to be reconvened at the set date and time, and is not Mr Merced still technically the presiding officer since the gavel was never returned to Mr Sarwark prior to adjournment?
If this is the case, would not Mr. Sarwark be free to engage in debate as a member?
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 3, 2020 10:23 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I cited it in the meeting. I’m with a houseguest. When I’m free I’ll do so again.
I began to study thus when he voted in his financial self interest before your time. I spoke out then too.
The outside us watching and judging us just as shady as any other political organization.
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 8:00 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt@lp.org> wrote:
My point, Madam Secretary, is that you yourself utilized the same opportunity that myself and the Chair utilized as a member of this party to address the Bylaws committee during public comments. It is a right of members that does not go away without specific citation, as the bylaws committee is a committee of the convention, and not that of the LNC. In other words, the LNC Chair has no jurisdiction, nor undue influence over the Bylaws committee, and the Bylaws committee, to their credit, operated outside of that influence.
To further answer your question: yes, I do request the citation that you are referencing in regards to impartiality of the Chair as I would like to review your claims for accuracy.
Further, I respectfully request the citation to RONR that you gave in the meeting yesterday to suppress the customary vote of the chair of the LNC. If we have been doing it wrong, yes, I want to know, as this will be valuable information to inform the Bylaws for future amendments.
Parliamentary authority should not be wielded as a bludgeon, we are all here to serve the members. Let's not lose sight of that goal. --- *Francis Wendt*
LNC Region 1 Alternate 406.595.5111
On 2020-05-03 19:39, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Nothing that affects the business of this party is outside my purview.
Are you asking for citations on the fact that the chair is required to be impartial while a session is ongoing?
We have not adjourned the session sine die. We are still in that session. The chair must maintain impartiality until sine die.
Circle the wagons when someone raises concerns of impropriety. That's what most governing bodies do.
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM Francis Wendt via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would ask respectfully that the Secretary resume impartiality on matter that are outside of her purview, such as the actions of a member of this party. If there is a specific decorum that is required of the officers of this party I request citation. I request the Secretary outline her view of what is proper and improper in the outside dealings of this party. Further, I request that every member of this committee use their own judgement, and prudence in their dealings with each other, and the public.
Of course my requests mean nothing, because I am just an alternate. Such is the way we roll.
--- FRANCIS WENDT LNC Region 1 Alternate 406.595.5111
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] An article that may be of interest to the members of the Libertarian National Committee Date: 2020-05-03 11:49 From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> Reply-To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org
I would ask respectfully that the chair resume the impartiality required of a presiding officer. Including on social media. The lobbying to change votes seems highly improper.
On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 7:34 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
This article may be of interest to you in advance of our adjourned meeting this coming Saturday.
https://hbr.org/1987/03/knowing-when-to-pull-the-plug
Yours in liberty, Nick
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*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *