[Lpganationaldelegates2018] Question About LNC At-Large/Judicial Committee Votes

Fri Jul 6 14:45:55 EDT 2018

That was my goal 2 years ago, and we did propose a good change... however
it takes a 7/8 majority to change the SOP. I have some other ideas and I am
going to share them, but I think shorter the better. (brevity caucus).

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 2:12 PM, Brent Hilburn via Lpganationaldelegates2018
<lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:

> A simple solution would be to stop acting like Republicans & Democrats and
> eliminate the platform and strengthen the SOP....
>
> Maybe I'll make that motion in 2020...
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 14:00 Dan Johnson via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> This is a broader comment but I would be all in favor of having the
>> agenda go: Bylaws, LNC Elections, Platform, instead of its current order.
>> Bylaws are important because they set the rules for the convention, but the
>> Platform is simply Libertarians nerding out over a document the vast
>> majority of the public will not read, IMO. So if we can have the dedicated
>> focus on the platform at the end we can probably get the LNC elections all
>> done at the convention.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Ted Metz via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
>> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am very pleased with the At-Large outcome. It is my opinion that the
>>> At-large voting procedure is flawed in that there are 5 slots and 30(?)
>>> candidates. I think plurality voting is the only way to efficiently handle
>>> multiple candidates for multiple openings. There was no bullying, no force,
>>> no intimidation.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, I am not certain that the outcome would have been any
>>> different had the procedure been done by the book, and if it had, it would
>>> have taken 12 hours or more, same opinion with the Judicial Committee. I
>>> would like to see plurality voting for any positions that have multiple
>>> openings with perhaps taking the top vote recipients equal to twice the
>>> number of openings for round one, and move them to the final round of
>>> plurality voting to determine the top picks.
>>>
>>> For these elections, we were allowed to choose all of our candidate
>>> choices, and those with the most approval votes got the positions.
>>>
>>> Now, this sort of officer election would be perfect for ranked choice
>>> voting.
>>>
>>> I suspect that the person(s) raising the issue is just upset that their
>>> guy didn't win.
>>>
>>> Ted Metz
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Ryan Graham via
>>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've given the feedback as no animosity or anything towards Nick for
>>>> hurrying us along at the end, but still general unhappiness with the
>>>> result. We need to get it fixed by 2020 so it doesn't happen again, but we
>>>> can accept what happened this year.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with moving the elections up is less time to campaign for
>>>> the candidates. Should be a happy medium somewhere though. The speed at
>>>> which we vote is also a problem. A party that literally complains about our
>>>> abundance of IT people and we're still hand balloting these things for our
>>>> Secretary to enter into Excel on her unsupported Windows XP laptop is
>>>> probably not going to cut it.
>>>> ---
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-06 00:24, Nelson Barnhouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Well if you are going to be all logical about it I give up. You do not
>>>> have to blame me. For an alternative example the Republicans in their Ga
>>>> convention finish all the people elections before they vote bylaws. They
>>>> seldom complete bylaws.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the issue is more that we leave the really important elections
>>>> until the very end. We shouldn't have to rush through it. I'm not mad Nick
>>>> rushed us through it based on where we were, but we shouldn't be in that
>>>> position to begin with.
>>>> ---
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-07-05 23:08, Nelson Barnhouse via Lpganationaldelegates2018
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Blame me. I left early.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Nathan Wilson via Lpganationaldelegates2018
>>>> <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the at-large was not resolved through the majority's, then the rest
>>>> of the board would have appointed individuals they chose.
>>>>
>>>> Last convention we did not get to the judicial votes, so the lnc chose
>>>> the judicial candidates. The body had no say in those results.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion this was handled the best way possible given the time
>>>> that was left. I feel there would have been little change in the lnc
>>>> regardless of how many more votes we had.
>>>>
>>>> If you feel the need to blame anyone, I did at the last moment at
>>>> Alicia Mattson to my vote for at Large. Though this wouldn't fix anything
>>>> it would have gave sheetz a chance. Though more accurately we could blame
>>>> the hundreds of other people who left early.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 8:53 PM Martin Cowen via Lpganationaldelegates2018
>>>> <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not feel bullied. I was very happy to have the matter moved
>>>>> along expeditiously.
>>>>>
>>>>> We were seriously up against the clock.
>>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S. That said, I wasn't the person who lost by one vote. I get it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 8:43:57 PM EDT, Ryan Graham via
>>>>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Our brand new alternate is asking us about how this was handled. It
>>>>> sounds like some are upset at us suspending the rules to elect these
>>>>> positions in one vote, especially given the first out in the LNC At-Large
>>>>> race only lost by a single vote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victoria wants to know if we felt bullied in any way.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like there is some discussion of fixing the vote for the 3
>>>>> LNC At-Large that we got by suspending the rules, and every Judicial
>>>>> Committee member.
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
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Nathan Wilson
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