[Lpganationaldelegates2018] Question About LNC At-Large/Judicial Committee Votes

Fri Jul 6 14:12:24 EDT 2018

A simple solution would be to stop acting like Republicans & Democrats and
eliminate the platform and strengthen the SOP....

Maybe I'll make that motion in 2020...

On Fri, Jul 6, 2018, 14:00 Dan Johnson via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:

> This is a broader comment but I would be all in favor of having the agenda
> go: Bylaws, LNC Elections, Platform, instead of its current order. Bylaws
> are important because they set the rules for the convention, but the
> Platform is simply Libertarians nerding out over a document the vast
> majority of the public will not read, IMO. So if we can have the dedicated
> focus on the platform at the end we can probably get the LNC elections all
> done at the convention.
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Ted Metz via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I am very pleased with the At-Large outcome. It is my opinion that the
>> At-large voting procedure is flawed in that there are 5 slots and 30(?)
>> candidates. I think plurality voting is the only way to efficiently handle
>> multiple candidates for multiple openings. There was no bullying, no force,
>> no intimidation.
>>
>> Furthermore, I am not certain that the outcome would have been any
>> different had the procedure been done by the book, and if it had, it would
>> have taken 12 hours or more, same opinion with the Judicial Committee. I
>> would like to see plurality voting for any positions that have multiple
>> openings with perhaps taking the top vote recipients equal to twice the
>> number of openings for round one, and move them to the final round of
>> plurality voting to determine the top picks.
>>
>> For these elections, we were allowed to choose all of our candidate
>> choices, and those with the most approval votes got the positions.
>>
>> Now, this sort of officer election would be perfect for ranked choice
>> voting.
>>
>> I suspect that the person(s) raising the issue is just upset that their
>> guy didn't win.
>>
>> Ted Metz
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Ryan Graham via
>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've given the feedback as no animosity or anything towards Nick for
>>> hurrying us along at the end, but still general unhappiness with the
>>> result. We need to get it fixed by 2020 so it doesn't happen again, but we
>>> can accept what happened this year.
>>>
>>> The problem with moving the elections up is less time to campaign for
>>> the candidates. Should be a happy medium somewhere though. The speed at
>>> which we vote is also a problem. A party that literally complains about our
>>> abundance of IT people and we're still hand balloting these things for our
>>> Secretary to enter into Excel on her unsupported Windows XP laptop is
>>> probably not going to cut it.
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-06 00:24, Nelson Barnhouse wrote:
>>>
>>> Well if you are going to be all logical about it I give up. You do not
>>> have to blame me. For an alternative example the Republicans in their Ga
>>> convention finish all the people elections before they vote bylaws. They
>>> seldom complete bylaws.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the issue is more that we leave the really important elections
>>> until the very end. We shouldn't have to rush through it. I'm not mad Nick
>>> rushed us through it based on where we were, but we shouldn't be in that
>>> position to begin with.
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-05 23:08, Nelson Barnhouse via Lpganationaldelegates2018
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Blame me. I left early.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Nathan Wilson via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
>>> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If the at-large was not resolved through the majority's, then the rest
>>> of the board would have appointed individuals they chose.
>>>
>>> Last convention we did not get to the judicial votes, so the lnc chose
>>> the judicial candidates. The body had no say in those results.
>>>
>>> In my opinion this was handled the best way possible given the time that
>>> was left. I feel there would have been little change in the lnc regardless
>>> of how many more votes we had.
>>>
>>> If you feel the need to blame anyone, I did at the last moment at Alicia
>>> Mattson to my vote for at Large. Though this wouldn't fix anything it would
>>> have gave sheetz a chance. Though more accurately we could blame the
>>> hundreds of other people who left early.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 8:53 PM Martin Cowen via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
>>> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did not feel bullied. I was very happy to have the matter moved along
>>>> expeditiously.
>>>>
>>>> We were seriously up against the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> P.S. That said, I wasn't the person who lost by one vote. I get it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 8:43:57 PM EDT, Ryan Graham via
>>>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>
>>>> Our brand new alternate is asking us about how this was handled. It
>>>> sounds like some are upset at us suspending the rules to elect these
>>>> positions in one vote, especially given the first out in the LNC At-Large
>>>> race only lost by a single vote.
>>>>
>>>> Victoria wants to know if we felt bullied in any way.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like there is some discussion of fixing the vote for the 3
>>>> LNC At-Large that we got by suspending the rules, and every Judicial
>>>> Committee member.
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
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