[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

Mon Jul 22 13:10:13 EDT 2019

Nay

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 13:09 Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> No; not worth wasting time on
> On 7/22/2019 12:55 PM, Laura Williams via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> Nay.
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 11:25 AM Seth Benton via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> Nay
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 10:06 AM Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nay
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bumping this thread for more votes. Please effort a vote today if you
>>> haven't.
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-07-19 16:30, Ted Metz via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> Nay.
>>>
>>> Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself, condeming a
>>> sentiment that is widley popular will not grow the party.
>>>
>>>
>>> As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they will drag
>>> you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via Lpgaexcomm" <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think the logic that
>>> it helps us move on is flawed. Some people certainly think this, but it
>>> actually forces us to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
>>> should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion die for lack of a
>>> second actually helps on to more on much more effectively.
>>>
>>> You can always reach out to the originator of the motion and make
>>> suggestions for changes that could be made in order to secure your support.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com> *On Behalf
>>> Of *Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> *Cc:* Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald
>>> Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It just depends on you. Some people second everything so we can move on
>>> to discussion or voting, even if they plan on voting nay. Some people won't
>>> second things unless they support it. Purely personal.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss it. Is seconding
>>> equivalent to endorsing? I'm not well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via Lpgaexcomm <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the generalize statement. It's good to be able to use this
>>> regardless of what the tweet is. With that being said, when I was acting
>>> executive director I would just use responses from national if they chose
>>> to respond to tweet or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up with
>>> something, and is usually very well worded.
>>>
>>>  I vote yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We don't have to respond to all of his tweets because we respond to one.
>>> Regardless, if libertarians wanted to suggest that we do so by writing such
>>> responses for us to consider, I'd say we should probably consider them.
>>>
>>> My take is that this particular tweet from the President, and the
>>> subsequent rally in NC, is a step further than we've typically seen in the
>>> past, and a step over a line I'm not comfortable with the POTUS stepping
>>> over.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> But since the motion has been seconded, I will open the discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am concerned about responding to any particular tweets from the
>>> president. Because if we respond to one then we have to respond to all and
>>> that would just be ridiculous.  Besides Trump is certainly not the only
>>> politician who is spewing hate in the public discourse.  I would be more in
>>> favor of a more generally worded statement that does not address a specific
>>> behavior by a specific politician.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What about replacing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  "In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>>> States"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "In light of the current state of politically charged bigotry and hatred
>>> in our country"
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will second the motion and add that I'm feeling torn. On the one hand
>>> I agree with what is said here. On the other hand, I feel that the drama
>>> that is involved with Trump and his tweets is in itself divisive propaganda
>>> that serves to pull attention toward his rhetoric and away from his actual
>>> policy. I would rather not participate in that. That said, to not speak out
>>> when we are being asked to does seem to imply support. If we do make this
>>> official statement, I would change "bigoted statements" to simply
>>> "statements". "Bigoted statements" although we may agree that it is
>>> correct, seems subjective rather than factual.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
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>>>
>>> Hey Team,
>>>
>>> We had a concerned libertarian reach out and ask why we haven't made a
>>> statement about Donald Trump's recent tweets and statements. He went so far
>>> as to send a statement he'd like to see. Laurie took a look and edited it
>>> up and I think we're ready for a motion.
>>>
>>> I move to make an official statement of the Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>> regarding the Trump rhetoric as follows:
>>>
>>> In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>>> States and the silence of many who fail to condemn these statements (and
>>> whose inaction is sometimes interpreted as support), we the members and
>>> supporters of the Libertarian Party restate our condemnation of any and all
>>> acts of bigotry, racism, and hatred by any person against any other. To
>>> view individuals primarily as members of a group or bound by immutable
>>> characteristics is a violation of our values celebrating rights of the
>>> individual.
>>>
>>> Politicians fostering divisiveness, bigotry, and collectivism among
>>> individuals are a threat to America's identity as a melting pot of cultural
>>> influence and a steward of equality before the law. We the Libertarian
>>> Party embrace America's diversity and affirm our pursuit of the principles
>>> of liberty and justice for all individuals.
>>>
>>> We need a second before voting can begin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
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