[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
Allen Buckley
ab at allenbuckleylaw.com
Mon Jul 22 13:06:53 EDT 2019
No; not worth wasting time on
On 7/22/2019 12:55 PM, Laura Williams via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
> Nay.
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 11:25 AM Seth Benton via Lpgaexcomm
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> Nay
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 10:06 AM Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm
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>
> Nay
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 9:12 AM, Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
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>
>> Bumping this thread for more votes. Please effort a vote
>> today if you haven't.
>>
>> ---
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-19 16:30, Ted Metz via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>>> Nay.
>>> Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself,
>>> condeming a sentiment that is widley popular will not grow
>>> the party.
>>> As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they
>>> will drag you down to their level and then beat you with
>>> experience."
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via
>>> Lpgaexcomm" <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think
>>> the logic that it helps us move on is flawed. Some
>>> people certainly think this, but it actually forces us
>>> to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
>>> should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion
>>> die for lack of a second actually helps on to more on
>>> much more effectively.
>>>
>>> You can always reach out to the originator of the motion
>>> and make suggestions for changes that could be made in
>>> order to secure your support.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lpgaexcomm
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>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> *On
>>> Behalf Of *Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
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>>> *Cc:* Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official
>>> Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
>>>
>>> It just depends on you. Some people second everything so
>>> we can move on to discussion or voting, even if they
>>> plan on voting nay. Some people won't second things
>>> unless they support it. Purely personal.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>> On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss
>>> it. Is seconding equivalent to endorsing? I'm not
>>> well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via
>>> Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the generalize statement. It's good to be
>>> able to use this regardless of what the tweet
>>> is. With that being said, when I was acting
>>> executive director I would just use responses
>>> from national if they chose to respond to tweet
>>> or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up
>>> with something, and is usually very well worded.
>>>
>>> I vote yes.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via
>>> Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We don't have to respond to all of his
>>> tweets because we respond to one.
>>> Regardless, if libertarians wanted to
>>> suggest that we do so by writing such
>>> responses for us to consider, I'd say we
>>> should probably consider them.
>>>
>>> My take is that this particular tweet from
>>> the President, and the subsequent rally in
>>> NC, is a step further than we've typically
>>> seen in the past, and a step over a line I'm
>>> not comfortable with the POTUS stepping over.
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>> On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via
>>> Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> But since the motion has been seconded,
>>> I will open the discussion.
>>>
>>> I am concerned about responding to any
>>> particular tweets from the president.
>>> Because if we respond to one then we
>>> have to respond to all and that would
>>> just be ridiculous. Besides Trump is
>>> certainly not the only politician who is
>>> spewing hate in the public discourse. I
>>> would be more in favor of a more
>>> generally worded statement that does not
>>> address a specific behavior by a
>>> specific politician.
>>>
>>> What about replacing
>>>
>>> "In light of recent bigoted statements
>>> by the President of the United States"
>>>
>>> With.....
>>>
>>> "In light of the current state of
>>> politically charged bigotry and hatred
>>> in our country"
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth
>>> M via Lpgaexcomm
>>> <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will second the motion and add
>>> that I'm feeling torn. On the one
>>> hand I agree with what is said here.
>>> On the other hand, I feel that the
>>> drama that is involved with Trump
>>> and his tweets is in itself divisive
>>> propaganda that serves to pull
>>> attention toward his rhetoric and
>>> away from his actual policy. I would
>>> rather not participate in that. That
>>> said, to not speak out when we are
>>> being asked to does seem to imply
>>> support. If we do make this official
>>> statement, I would change "bigoted
>>> statements" to simply "statements".
>>> "Bigoted statements" although we may
>>> agree that it is correct, seems
>>> subjective rather than factual.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM
>>> Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
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>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Team,
>>>
>>> We had a concerned libertarian
>>> reach out and ask why we haven't
>>> made a statement about Donald
>>> Trump's recent tweets and
>>> statements. He went so far as to
>>> send a statement he'd like to
>>> see. Laurie took a look and
>>> edited it up and I think we're
>>> ready for a motion.
>>>
>>> I move to make an official
>>> statement of the Libertarian
>>> Party of Georgia regarding the
>>> Trump rhetoric as follows:
>>>
>>> In light of recent bigoted
>>> statements by the President
>>> of the United States and the
>>> silence of many who fail to
>>> condemn these statements
>>> (and whose inaction is
>>> sometimes interpreted as
>>> support), we the members and
>>> supporters of the
>>> Libertarian Party restate
>>> our condemnation of any and
>>> all acts of bigotry, racism,
>>> and hatred by any person
>>> against any other. To view
>>> individuals primarily as
>>> members of a group or bound
>>> by immutable characteristics
>>> is a violation of our values
>>> celebrating rights of the
>>> individual.
>>>
>>> Politicians fostering
>>> divisiveness, bigotry, and
>>> collectivism among
>>> individuals are a threat to
>>> America's identity as a
>>> melting pot of cultural
>>> influence and a steward of
>>> equality before the law. We
>>> the Libertarian Party
>>> embrace America's diversity
>>> and affirm our pursuit of
>>> the principles of liberty
>>> and justice for all individuals.
>>>
>>> We need a second before voting
>>> can begin.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
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