[LPGa Executive Committee] A Resolution to Condemn Red Flag Laws, Demand Accountability for Law Enforcement
Allen Buckley
ab at allenbuckleylaw.com
Mon Aug 12 14:56:38 EDT 2019
The whole point is drawing the line so they cannot commit mass murder
(or the likelihood of such is substantially diminished), while
protecting the defense rights of ordinary people - it's not getting done
effectively now
On 8/12/2019 2:52 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>
> Loonies committing mass murder are already breaking the law. We don't
> support limiting peaceful individuals rights on behalf of people who
> might use those rights to do harm.
>
> ---
> In Liberty,
> Ryan Graham
> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>
>
> On 2019-08-12 14:51, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
>> One more thing: The whole point of the platform position is
>> protection against aggression - not protecting the ability of loonies
>> to mass murder
>>
>> On 8/12/2019 2:46 PM, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is specifically
>>> consistent with the rights of private property owners.
>>>
>>> When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told me the NRA
>>> would have endorsed me had they known about me/my position. A guy
>>> on my campaign team was supposed to get in contact with them, but he
>>> failed to do so. (So, they endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position
>>> was amendment of the Second Amendment along the lines presented.
>>>
>>> I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent with the
>>> Second Amendment (as is the Brady Bill).
>>>
>>> To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the public.
>>>
>>> I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that is
>>> inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while stating the Party is
>>> open to changes to the Second Amendment to recognizes changes in
>>> conditions since enactment of the Second Amendment, etc.
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 2:38 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional amendment
>>>> would directly contradict our platform:
>>>>
>>>> *1.8 Self-Defense*
>>>>
>>>> The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual
>>>> rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against
>>>> aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree
>>>> to be aided by any other individual or group. We affirm the
>>>> individual right recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and
>>>> bear arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for
>>>> exercising their rights of self-defense. Private property
>>>> owners should be free to establish their own conditions
>>>> regarding the presence of personal defense weapons on their own
>>>> property. We oppose all laws at any level of government
>>>> restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> See blue below; glad to see discussion
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2019 1:33 PM, Jay Guidry wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There are some significant Issues with Allen's language.
>>>>
>>>> A state or Congress may by law require a background check
>>>> incident to any
>>>> attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to determine rights.
>>>> 1. So i cant give my best friend i have known for 40 years
>>>> a ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes friend who fears and Ex
>>>> Boyfriend we cant loan her a pistol for self defense, I
>>>> cant leave my Cousin in my house by himself.
>>>> A state or Congress may by law
>>>> provide for civil liability or criminal punishment with
>>>> respect to use by any individual other than
>>>> the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to any
>>>> individual. AB: As to 1 above and 2 below: The point is: If
>>>> you make your guns available to others, you can potentially
>>>> be liable if they go out and kill people. The kid in CT
>>>> (Sandy Hook) took his parent's guns. The whole point of
>>>> liability/punishment as provided by law requires legilators
>>>> to come up with when such provisions should apply.
>>>>
>>>> 2. So i can be held liable for someone use or Miss Use of
>>>> weapon i am not in control of, IE someone breaks in my
>>>> house and steals a weapon then shoots up a school i might
>>>> be held liable? (this is a bad idea)
>>>>
>>>> A state or Congress may by law restrict or prohibit the use
>>>> of rapid fire guns. AB: Same as above. I would think older
>>>> people ordinarily should be able to get rapid fire guns, as
>>>> they are needed to protect themselves. Again, it's up to
>>>> lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no federal law would exist and
>>>> states would act as they saw fit. The whole point of
>>>> permitting state and federal laws is the Feds would likely
>>>> provide a floor in at least most of the areas noted. Some
>>>> states might do nothing. Other states, perhaps such as
>>>> California, would be very restrictive. Open to other
>>>> language. The point is machine guns, etc. are not needed by
>>>> the vast majority of the public for protection or hunting,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action rifle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:19 PM Allen Buckley via
>>>> Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While I'm in favor of some changes to the Second
>>>> Amendment, I think they can legally happen only through
>>>> an amendment to the U.S. Constitution (i.e. a change to
>>>> the Second Amendment). So, I don't disagree with
>>>> anything in the resolutions.
>>>>
>>>> However, I suggest whatever is done leave and be open
>>>> to a reasonable amendment to the Second Amendment --
>>>> simple saying NO to any action doesn't cut it - in my
>>>> opinion. Something needs to be done. I don't think the
>>>> framers would adopt the Second Amendment given's
>>>> today's reality.
>>>>
>>>> What I believe is reasonable is attached; other
>>>> possibilities exist
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2019 11:13 AM, Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth Melton has put together a resolution for
>>>> consideration tonight about Red Flag laws. Please
>>>> review and be prepared to discuss and vote for the
>>>> meeting tonight.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jebszFftjhZwvtIoLwAsnSGTPXeY8sl7rjE33LNrbGA/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
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>> Allen Buckley
>>
>> Law Office of Allen Buckley LLC
>> Suite 750, Building 1
>> 2727 Paces Ferry Road
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Allen Buckley
Law Office of Allen Buckley LLC
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2727 Paces Ferry Road
Atlanta, GA 30339
Phone: (678) 981-4689
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