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<p>The whole point is drawing the line so they cannot commit mass
murder (or the likelihood of such is substantially diminished),
while protecting the defense rights of ordinary people - it's not
getting done effectively now</p>
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<p>Loonies committing mass murder are already breaking the law. We
don't support limiting peaceful individuals rights on behalf of
people who might use those rights to do harm.</p>
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font-size: 12pt;">In Liberty,</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size:
12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif; font-size:
12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia</span></div>
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<p>One more thing: The whole point of the platform position is
protection against aggression - not protecting the ability of
loonies to mass murder </p>
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<p>I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is
specifically consistent with the rights of private property
owners.</p>
<p>When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told
me the NRA would have endorsed me had they known about me/my
position. A guy on my campaign team was supposed to get in
contact with them, but he failed to do so. (So, they
endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position was amendment of the
Second Amendment along the lines presented.</p>
<p>I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent
with the Second Amendment (as is the Brady Bill). </p>
<p>To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the
public.</p>
<p>I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that
is inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while stating the
Party is open to changes to the Second Amendment to
recognizes changes in conditions since enactment of the
Second Amendment, etc. </p>
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<p>A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional
amendment would directly contradict our platform:</p>
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<p><strong>1.8 Self-Defense</strong></p>
<p>The only legitimate use of force is in defense of
individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired
property — against aggression. This right inheres in the
individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
individual or group. We affirm the individual right
recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear
arms, and oppose the prosecution of individuals for
exercising their rights of self-defense. Private
property owners should be free to establish their own
conditions regarding the presence of personal defense
weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any
level of government restricting, registering, or
monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or transfer of
firearms or ammunition.</p>
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georgia, palatino, serif; font-size: 12pt;">In
Liberty,</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia</span></div>
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<p>On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:</p>
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<p>See blue below; glad to see discussion</p>
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<div dir="ltr">There are some significant Issues with
Allen's language.<br>
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A state or Congress may by law require a background
check incident to any<br>
attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to determine
rights.
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<div>1. So i cant give my best friend i have known for
40 years a ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes friend
who fears and Ex Boyfriend we cant loan her a pistol
for self defense, I cant leave my Cousin in my house
by himself.</div>
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<div> A state or Congress may by law<br>
provide for civil liability or criminal punishment
with respect to use by any individual other than<br>
the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to any
individual. <span style="color: #000099;">AB: As
to 1 above and 2 below: The point is: If you make
your guns available to others, you can potentially
be liable if they go out and kill people. The kid
in CT (Sandy Hook) took his parent's guns. The
whole point of liability/punishment as provided by
law requires legilators to come up with when such
provisions should apply</span>. <br>
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2. So i can be held liable for someone use or Miss
Use of weapon i am not in control of, IE someone
breaks in my house and steals a weapon then shoots
up a school i might be held liable? (this is a bad
idea)<br>
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A state or Congress may by law restrict or prohibit
the use of rapid fire guns. <span style="color:
#000099;">AB: Same as above. I would think older
people ordinarily should be able to get rapid fire
guns, as they are needed to protect themselves.
Again, it's up to lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no
federal law would exist and states would act as
they saw fit. The whole point of permitting state
and federal laws is the Feds would likely provide
a floor in at least most of the areas noted. Some
states might do nothing. Other states, perhaps
such as California, would be very restrictive.
Open to other language. The point is machine guns,
etc. are not needed by the vast majority of the
public for protection or hunting, etc. </span><br>
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3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action
rifle.<br>
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<p>While I'm in favor of some changes to the
Second Amendment, I think they can legally
happen only through an amendment to the U.S.
Constitution (i.e. a change to the Second
Amendment). So, I don't disagree with anything
in the resolutions.</p>
<p>However, I suggest whatever is done leave and
be open to a reasonable amendment to the Second
Amendment -- simple saying NO to any action
doesn't cut it - in my opinion. Something needs
to be done. I don't think the framers would
adopt the Second Amendment given's today's
reality.</p>
<p>What I believe is reasonable is attached; other
possibilities exist</p>
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<p>Hey Team,</p>
<p>Elizabeth Melton has put together a
resolution for consideration tonight about Red
Flag laws. Please review and be prepared to
discuss and vote for the meeting tonight.</p>
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Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family:
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