[LPGa Executive Committee] A Resolution to Condemn Red Flag Laws, Demand Accountability for Law Enforcement
Allen Buckley
ab at allenbuckleylaw.com
Mon Aug 12 14:51:15 EDT 2019
One more thing: The whole point of the platform position is protection
against aggression - not protecting the ability of loonies to mass murder
On 8/12/2019 2:46 PM, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>
> I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is specifically
> consistent with the rights of private property owners.
>
> When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told me the NRA
> would have endorsed me had they known about me/my position. A guy on
> my campaign team was supposed to get in contact with them, but he
> failed to do so. (So, they endorsed Johnny.) My campaign position was
> amendment of the Second Amendment along the lines presented.
>
> I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent with the
> Second Amendment (as is the Brady Bill).
>
> To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the public.
>
> I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that is
> inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while stating the Party is
> open to changes to the Second Amendment to recognizes changes in
> conditions since enactment of the Second Amendment, etc.
>
> On 8/12/2019 2:38 PM, Ryan Graham wrote:
>>
>> A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional amendment would
>> directly contradict our platform:
>>
>>> *1.8 Self-Defense*
>>>
>>> The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights
>>> — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression.
>>> This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by
>>> any other individual or group. We affirm the individual right
>>> recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms, and oppose
>>> the prosecution of individuals for exercising their rights of
>>> self-defense. Private property owners should be free to establish
>>> their own conditions regarding the presence of personal defense
>>> weapons on their own property. We oppose all laws at any level of
>>> government restricting, registering, or monitoring the ownership,
>>> manufacture, or transfer of firearms or ammunition.
>>>
>> ---
>> In Liberty,
>> Ryan Graham
>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>
>>
>> On 2019-08-12 13:50, Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>
>>> See blue below; glad to see discussion
>>>
>>> On 8/12/2019 1:33 PM, Jay Guidry wrote:
>>>> There are some significant Issues with Allen's language.
>>>>
>>>> A state or Congress may by law require a background check incident
>>>> to any
>>>> attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to determine rights.
>>>> 1. So i cant give my best friend i have known for 40 years a
>>>> ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes friend who fears and Ex Boyfriend
>>>> we cant loan her a pistol for self defense, I cant leave my Cousin
>>>> in my house by himself.
>>>> A state or Congress may by law
>>>> provide for civil liability or criminal punishment with respect to
>>>> use by any individual other than
>>>> the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to any individual. AB:
>>>> As to 1 above and 2 below: The point is: If you make your guns
>>>> available to others, you can potentially be liable if they go out
>>>> and kill people. The kid in CT (Sandy Hook) took his parent's
>>>> guns. The whole point of liability/punishment as provided by law
>>>> requires legilators to come up with when such provisions should apply.
>>>>
>>>> 2. So i can be held liable for someone use or Miss Use of weapon i
>>>> am not in control of, IE someone breaks in my house and steals a
>>>> weapon then shoots up a school i might be held liable? (this is a
>>>> bad idea)
>>>>
>>>> A state or Congress may by law restrict or prohibit the use of
>>>> rapid fire guns. AB: Same as above. I would think older people
>>>> ordinarily should be able to get rapid fire guns, as they are
>>>> needed to protect themselves. Again, it's up to lawmakers to
>>>> decide. Perhaps no federal law would exist and states would act as
>>>> they saw fit. The whole point of permitting state and federal laws
>>>> is the Feds would likely provide a floor in at least most of the
>>>> areas noted. Some states might do nothing. Other states, perhaps
>>>> such as California, would be very restrictive. Open to other
>>>> language. The point is machine guns, etc. are not needed by the
>>>> vast majority of the public for protection or hunting, etc.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action rifle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 1:19 PM Allen Buckley via Lpgaexcomm
>>>> <lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>>> <mailto:lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> While I'm in favor of some changes to the Second Amendment, I
>>>> think they can legally happen only through an amendment to the
>>>> U.S. Constitution (i.e. a change to the Second Amendment). So,
>>>> I don't disagree with anything in the resolutions.
>>>>
>>>> However, I suggest whatever is done leave and be open to a
>>>> reasonable amendment to the Second Amendment -- simple saying
>>>> NO to any action doesn't cut it - in my opinion. Something
>>>> needs to be done. I don't think the framers would adopt the
>>>> Second Amendment given's today's reality.
>>>>
>>>> What I believe is reasonable is attached; other possibilities exist
>>>>
>>>> On 8/12/2019 11:13 AM, Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth Melton has put together a resolution for
>>>>> consideration tonight about Red Flag laws. Please review and
>>>>> be prepared to discuss and vote for the meeting tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jebszFftjhZwvtIoLwAsnSGTPXeY8sl7rjE33LNrbGA/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> In Liberty,
>>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>>
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