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<p>One more thing: The whole point of the platform position is
protection against aggression - not protecting the ability of
loonies to mass murder <br>
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<p>I don't think it directly contradicts, as it is specifically
consistent with the rights of private property owners.</p>
<p>When I ran in 2016, a guy from the NRA called me and told me
the NRA would have endorsed me had they known about me/my
position. A guy on my campaign team was supposed to get in
contact with them, but he failed to do so. (So, they endorsed
Johnny.) My campaign position was amendment of the Second
Amendment along the lines presented.</p>
<p>I do agree with rejecting legislation that is inconsistent with
the Second Amendment (as is the Brady Bill). <br>
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<p>To say no changes is simply wrong, and a loser with the public.</p>
<p>I could go along with resolving to reject legislation that is
inconsistent with the Second Amendment, while stating the Party
is open to changes to the Second Amendment to recognizes changes
in conditions since enactment of the Second Amendment, etc. <br>
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<p>A resolution backing Allen's proposed Constitutional
amendment would directly contradict our platform:</p>
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<p><strong>1.8 Self-Defense</strong></p>
<p>The only legitimate use of force is in defense of
individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired
property — against aggression. This right inheres in the
individual, who may agree to be aided by any other
individual or group. We affirm the individual right
recognized by the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms,
and oppose the prosecution of individuals for exercising
their rights of self-defense. Private property owners should
be free to establish their own conditions regarding the
presence of personal defense weapons on their own property.
We oppose all laws at any level of government restricting,
registering, or monitoring the ownership, manufacture, or
transfer of firearms or ammunition.</p>
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font-size: 12pt;"> Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family: georgia, palatino, serif;
font-size: 12pt;">Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia</span></div>
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<p>See blue below; glad to see discussion</p>
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<div dir="ltr">There are some significant Issues with
Allen's language.<br>
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A state or Congress may by law require a background check
incident to any<br>
attempted purchase or transfer of a gun, to determine
rights.
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<div>1. So i cant give my best friend i have known for 40
years a ShotGun to go hunting. My wifes friend who fears
and Ex Boyfriend we cant loan her a pistol for self
defense, I cant leave my Cousin in my house by himself.</div>
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<div> A state or Congress may by law<br>
provide for civil liability or criminal punishment with
respect to use by any individual other than<br>
the owner of a gun that causes harm or death to any
individual. <span style="color: #000099;">AB: As to 1
above and 2 below: The point is: If you make your guns
available to others, you can potentially be liable if
they go out and kill people. The kid in CT (Sandy
Hook) took his parent's guns. The whole point of
liability/punishment as provided by law requires
legilators to come up with when such provisions should
apply</span>. <br>
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2. So i can be held liable for someone use or Miss Use
of weapon i am not in control of, IE someone breaks in
my house and steals a weapon then shoots up a school i
might be held liable? (this is a bad idea)<br>
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A state or Congress may by law restrict or prohibit the
use of rapid fire guns. <span style="color: #000099;">AB:
Same as above. I would think older people ordinarily
should be able to get rapid fire guns, as they are
needed to protect themselves. Again, it's up to
lawmakers to decide. Perhaps no federal law would
exist and states would act as they saw fit. The whole
point of permitting state and federal laws is the Feds
would likely provide a floor in at least most of the
areas noted. Some states might do nothing. Other
states, perhaps such as California, would be very
restrictive. Open to other language. The point is
machine guns, etc. are not needed by the vast majority
of the public for protection or hunting, etc. </span><br>
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3. Outlaw all guns not a revolver or bolt action rifle.<br>
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<p>While I'm in favor of some changes to the Second
Amendment, I think they can legally happen only
through an amendment to the U.S. Constitution (i.e.
a change to the Second Amendment). So, I don't
disagree with anything in the resolutions.</p>
<p>However, I suggest whatever is done leave and be
open to a reasonable amendment to the Second
Amendment -- simple saying NO to any action doesn't
cut it - in my opinion. Something needs to be done.
I don't think the framers would adopt the Second
Amendment given's today's reality.</p>
<p>What I believe is reasonable is attached; other
possibilities exist</p>
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<p>Hey Team,</p>
<p>Elizabeth Melton has put together a resolution
for consideration tonight about Red Flag laws.
Please review and be prepared to discuss and vote
for the meeting tonight.</p>
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Liberty,</span><br>
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Ryan Graham</span><br>
<span style="font-family:
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