Dear LNC, I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it. This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
What is the reason for the unprecedented request by a staff member to access a recording of a non-public COC meeting? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
-- *Whitney Bilyeu* Libertarian National Committee Region 7 Representative 281.433.4966 LP.ORG
Is there something in the Convention Oversight Committee's deliberations that can't be shared with the Libertarian Party's Executive Director? -Nick On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:47 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
What is the reason for the unprecedented request by a staff member to access a recording of a non-public COC meeting?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
-- *Whitney Bilyeu* Libertarian National Committee Region 7 Representative 281.433.4966 LP.ORG
The chair's email is interesting. I went back through piper mail to refresh my recollection on all of these water cooler conversations and see nothing of the sort. The vast majority was related to business, and separate business topics. Now the chair might not like the business discussed but that doesn't warrant the comments above. I was going to through and put actual email statistics to prove a point, but have more productive things to do. And certainly nothing that would fill up 15GB of Gmail storage. If the chair's email box was out of storage, there is maintenance to do that has nothing to do with LNC discussions while he was away. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:31 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Is there something in the Convention Oversight Committee's deliberations that can't be shared with the Libertarian Party's Executive Director?
-Nick
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:47 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
What is the reason for the unprecedented request by a staff member to access a recording of a non-public COC meeting?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
-- *Whitney Bilyeu* Libertarian National Committee Region 7 Representative 281.433.4966 LP.ORG
We were told that Mr. Fishman just wants to watch Mr. Ferreira's demo of the app he is writing. Mr. Ferreira plans to do a larger demo of it this weekend, so just waiting a few days will result in getting to see a demo of the more complete feature set. Why isn't this a reasonable option? -Alicia <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:31 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Is there something in the Convention Oversight Committee's deliberations that can't be shared with the Libertarian Party's Executive Director?
-Nick
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:47 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
What is the reason for the unprecedented request by a staff member to access a recording of a non-public COC meeting?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
-- *Whitney Bilyeu* Libertarian National Committee Region 7 Representative 281.433.4966 LP.ORG
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well. Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
Can’t you just confer with the CoC? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual. If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that. I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly. I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording. Dan Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me. --- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording.
Dan
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record. I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation? I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording.
Dan
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
That’s my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is really about. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record.
I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation?
I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording.
Dan
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Dear LNC, > > I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday > night, and > the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I > must > ask > the LNC for permission to view it. > > This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which > I > will > write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you > please > informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept > confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? > --- > Daniel Fishman > Executive Director > The Libertarian Party > Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> > --
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Dear LNC, I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01 OBLIGATIONS AMONG BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF In particular to this part of subsection 4: " *In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessarysteps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and preventative actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against anyindividual who in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in aninvestigation regarding a complaint*." I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to protect everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand an organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by refusing to release video. Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting. --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting was about tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed to get done not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff needed to get done would have been communicated by email
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
That’s my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is really about.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record.
I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation?
I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording.
Dan
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman < dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just > asking > the CoC the information you need. > > *In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's > Syndrome > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If > anyone > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social > faux > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > >> Dear LNC, >> >> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday >> night, and >> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I >> must >> ask >> the LNC for permission to view it. >> >> This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which >> I >> will >> write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you >> please >> informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept >> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? >> --- >> Daniel Fishman >> Executive Director >> The Libertarian Party >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> >> > --
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Okay this just took another turn. Here is what the PM says: Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of the Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC will take prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. Why are you involved here? It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs to be notified and the LNC that investigates. We have no idea what you are on about. If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public list is highly inappropriate. Please take this off list and either let us know what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be notified and handle. This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC list. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01 OBLIGATIONS AMONG BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
In particular to this part of subsection 4:
"
*In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessarysteps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and preventative actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against anyindividual who in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to protect everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand an organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by refusing to release video.
Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting was about tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed to get done not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff needed to get done would have been communicated by email
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
That’s my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is really about.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record.
I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation?
I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was blocked I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something the policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all members of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a violation of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity would err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict between many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I now have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I believe it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this was a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for access to the recording.
Dan
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman < dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, > but > now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well. > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote: > >> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just >> asking >> the CoC the information you need. >> >> *In Liberty,* >> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's >> Syndrome >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If >> anyone >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social >> faux >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >>> Dear LNC, >>> >>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday >>> night, and >>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I >>> must >>> ask >>> the LNC for permission to view it. >>> >>> This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which >>> I >>> will >>> write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you >>> please >>> informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept >>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? >>> --- >>> Daniel Fishman >>> Executive Director >>> The Libertarian Party >>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> >>> >> --
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Dear LNC members of the CoC, I urge the CoC to give access to our Executive Director to the meeting recording and proceed to assist in any ongoing investigation. I am asking for the LNC members of the CoC to make the steps necessary to grant such access. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom" On 2020-06-18 01:05 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Reading through all this what I see is that the original denial was fine given the original request. That needs to be made clear.
For the rest I have talked to some people and with what I got sounds like some people need to go revisit my email about sore thumbs ...
Having said that, further discussion off list is appropriate at this time.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jun 18, 2020 8:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Okay this just took another turn.
Here is what the PM says:
Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of the Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC will take prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints.
Why are you involved here? It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs to be notified and the LNC that investigates. We have no idea what you are on about. If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public list is highly inappropriate. Please take this off list and either let us know what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be notified and handle. This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC list.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01 OBLIGATIONS AMONG BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
In particular to this part of subsection 4:
"
*In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessarysteps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and preventative actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against anyindividual who in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to protect everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand an organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by refusing to release video.
Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting was about tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed to get done not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff needed to get done would have been communicated by email
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
That's my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is really about.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record.
I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation?
I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable request to me.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote: > Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was > blocked > I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something > the > policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all > members > of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual. > > If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a > violation > of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that. > > I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity > would > err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict > between > many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I > now > have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I > believe > it's very important that matters like this be handled directly. > > I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must > be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this > was > a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for > access > to the recording. > > Dan > > > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote: > >> Can't you just confer with the CoC? >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman < dan.fishman@lphq.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, >>> but >>> now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well. >>> >>> Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just >>>> asking >>>> the CoC the information you need. >>>> >>>> *In Liberty,* >>>> >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's >>>> Syndrome >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If >>>> anyone >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social >>>> faux >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear LNC, >>>>> >>>>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday >>>>> night, and >>>>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I >>>>> must >>>>> ask >>>>> the LNC for permission to view it. >>>>> >>>>> This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which >>>>> I >>>>> will >>>>> write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you >>>>> please >>>>> informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept >>>>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? >>>>> --- >>>>> Daniel Fishman >>>>> Executive Director >>>>> The Libertarian Party >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> >>>>> >>>> -- >> >> *In Liberty,* >> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If >> anyone >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social >> faux >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * >> >>
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I am giving my perspective in the off list thread. It is extremely inappropriate that this was on the public list. On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:56 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Per the policy manual is not mr. Fishman's role to investigate this but rather the role of the chair and or the vice chair should Mr Fishman make that request and it appears to me that he has done so. Furthermore I do think it's pertinent to point out that the vice-chair was present during the call and as such was privy to the entirety of the information that is being requested, as was the secretary and the treasurer.
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On Jun 18, 2020 12:19 PM, Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC members of the CoC,
I urge the CoC to give access to our Executive Director to the meeting recording and proceed to assist in any ongoing investigation. I am asking for the LNC members of the CoC to make the steps necessary to grant such access.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee
Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
On 2020-06-18 01:05 PM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Reading through all this what I see is that the original denial was fine given the original request. That needs to be made clear.
For the rest I have talked to some people and with what I got sounds like some people need to go revisit my email about sore thumbs ...
Having said that, further discussion off list is appropriate at this time.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jun 18, 2020 8:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Okay this just took another turn.
Here is what the PM says:
Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of the Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC will take prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints.
Why are you involved here? It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs to be notified and the LNC that investigates. We have no idea what you are on about. If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public list is highly inappropriate. Please take this off list and either let us know what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be notified and handle. This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC list.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01 OBLIGATIONS AMONG BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
In particular to this part of subsection 4:
"
*In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessarysteps to investigate the matter and will protect the individual's confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to thoroughly investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and preventative actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against anyindividual who in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to protect everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand an organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by refusing to release video.
Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting was about tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed to get done not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff needed to get done would have been communicated by email
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
That's my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is really about.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing the record.
I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it is in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff should they not have access to all information where staff duties are discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to expectation?
I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what all this is about.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable > request to me. > > --- > Tim Hagan > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee > > On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote: > > Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was > > blocked > > I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of something > > the > > policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all > > members > > of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual. > > > > If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a > > violation > > of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that. > > > > I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity > > would > > err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict > > between > > many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that I > > now > > have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I > > believe > > it's very important that matters like this be handled directly. > > > > I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must > > be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since this > > was > > a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for > > access > > to the recording. > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party > > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos > > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Can't you just confer with the CoC? > >> > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman < dan.fishman@lphq.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, > >>> but > >>> now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well. > >>> > >>> Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos > >>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just > >>>> asking > >>>> the CoC the information you need. > >>>> > >>>> *In Liberty,* > >>>> > >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's > >>>> Syndrome > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If > >>>> anyone > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social > >>>> faux > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < > >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear LNC, > >>>>> > >>>>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday > >>>>> night, and > >>>>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I > >>>>> must > >>>>> ask > >>>>> the LNC for permission to view it. > >>>>> > >>>>> This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which > >>>>> I > >>>>> will > >>>>> write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you > >>>>> please > >>>>> informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept > >>>>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? > >>>>> --- > >>>>> Daniel Fishman > >>>>> Executive Director > >>>>> The Libertarian Party > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> > >>>>> > >>>> -- > >> > >> *In Liberty,* > >> > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If > >> anyone > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social > >> faux > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > >> > >> >
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
If you believe the COC violated a policy, please just email the COC list to let us know. We are aware of other people violating policy related to COC matters recently... -Alicia On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:00 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
This whole thing is strange. Can you just address this with the CoC off list? On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:38 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
If you believe the COC violated a policy, please just email the COC list to let us know. We are aware of other people violating policy related to COC matters recently...
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:00 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software demo, but now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than just asking the CoC the information you need.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear LNC,
I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday night, and the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that I must ask the LNC for permission to view it.
This highlights again the need for a data security policy -- which I will write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can you please informally comment on whether or not the recording should be kept confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it? --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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Alicia Mattson -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Daniel Fishman -
erin.adams＠lp.org -
john.phillips＠lp.org -
Nicholas Sarwark -
Richard Longstreth -
Steven Nekhaila -
Tim Hagan -
Whitney Bilyeu