I will co-sponsor On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
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Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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Mr. Goldstein, ask Mr. Dasbach how useful it would have been had we made a statement about McVey ahead of time. That is the use. One nut could forever tarnish this party. -Caryn Ann On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
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Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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-- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* =========================================================================
Coming from Florida I do not believe in witch hunts. However, the Florida witch hunts concerned people who did not commit or threaten actual violence, and were halted. We have always held it true that any memeber who wished to use violence to achieve social & political goals violates the non-aggression pledge, thus we would censure or remove that person to the best of our abilities. As such, I co-sponsor this motion. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom" On 2019-07-10 08:36 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
We have the right to, at the very least, protect our brand, and we have been historically bad about that.
Let's change that.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, ask Mr. Dasbach how useful it would have been had we made a statement about McVey ahead of time. That is the use. One nut could forever tarnish this party.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast. > > On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > Good evening esteemed colleagues, > > I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure > Benjamin > Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been > spreading > some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is > extremely > important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these > actions. > > Motion below: > > To the Libertarian National Committee > > WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected > as > the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States; > > WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes > directly > against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any > representative of the Libertarian Party; > > WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic > terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National > Committee > members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in > cases > not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political > goals; > > WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared > in > media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and > advocate > of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an > "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican > conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, > thus > putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members; > > WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful > people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for > the > garbage man"; > > WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official > Libertarian > Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered; > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive > violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating > such > statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and > > RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these > actions > by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and > principles of the Libertarian Party. > > Respectfully submitted, > > Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative > > > > --
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I will cosponsor as well and reserve my vote for further argument. All motions should be heard and discussed. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 17:25 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, ask Mr. Dasbach how useful it would have been had we made a statement about McVey ahead of time. That is the use. One nut could forever tarnish this party.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector
Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>*
=========================================================================
--
* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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I will start this ballot later this evening. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.* On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Richard Longstreth < richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor as well and reserve my vote for further argument. All motions should be heard and discussed.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 17:25 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, ask Mr. Dasbach how useful it would have been had we made a statement about McVey ahead of time. That is the use. One nut could forever tarnish this party.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast. > > On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > Good evening esteemed colleagues, > > I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure > Benjamin > Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been > spreading > some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is > extremely > important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these > actions. > > Motion below: > > To the Libertarian National Committee > > WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected > as > the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States; > > WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes > directly > against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any > representative of the Libertarian Party; > > WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic > terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National > Committee > members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in > cases > not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political > goals; > > WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared > in > media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and > advocate > of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an > "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican > conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, > thus > putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members; > > WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful > people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for > the > garbage man"; > > WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official > Libertarian > Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered; > > WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive > violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating > such > statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and > > RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these > actions > by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and > principles of the Libertarian Party. > > Respectfully submitted, > > Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative > > > > --
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These are serious allegations. Specific, credible threats to the convention should be reported to the FBI San Antonio Field Office at 210-225-6741. You may be able to get them to send the Assistant Special Agent In Charge to the Austin LNC meeting to discuss threats and security for the convention. --- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee On 2019-07-10 19:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will start this ballot later this evening.
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:58 PM Richard Longstreth < richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor as well and reserve my vote for further argument. All motions should be heard and discussed.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 17:25 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, ask Mr. Dasbach how useful it would have been had we made a statement about McVey ahead of time. That is the use. One nut could forever tarnish this party.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:21 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Tell me exactly what a censure motion will accomplish. You stand a better chance of making him a martyr than silencing him. He will still appear at the convention, state debates and on the nomination stage even if you do succeed in passing this motion.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:14, Joshua Smith wrote:
Because he has directly threatened our convention, our members, their families, etc.
It's something that needs to be done to show we care about our membership. We can spend ten minutes on a motion, and still get candidates elected Sam. I promise.
-Joshua
On Jul 10, 2019 5:12 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: > I will co-sponsor > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > >> And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast. >> >> On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >> Good evening esteemed colleagues, >> >> I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure >> Benjamin >> Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been >> spreading >> some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is >> extremely >> important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these >> actions. >> >> Motion below: >> >> To the Libertarian National Committee >> >> WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected >> as >> the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States; >> >> WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes >> directly >> against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any >> representative of the Libertarian Party; >> >> WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic >> terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National >> Committee >> members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in >> cases >> not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political >> goals; >> >> WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared >> in >> media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and >> advocate >> of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an >> "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican >> conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, >> thus >> putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members; >> >> WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful >> people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for >> the >> garbage man"; >> >> WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official >> Libertarian >> Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered; >> >> WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive >> violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating >> such >> statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and >> >> RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these >> actions >> by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and >> principles of the Libertarian Party. >> >> Respectfully submitted, >> >> Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative >> >> >> >> -- > > * In Liberty,* > > *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- > Caryn.Ann. > Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. > *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org > Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at > facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ > >
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As Nick ruled the objection not well-taken I’ll start the ballot. I ask my fellow LNC members not to dismiss Elizabeth’s concerns. Maybe I watch too many crime documentaries but people be cray. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I disagree with the move to take conversation "off list".
We are discussing whether to censure one of our members. Nothing should be more open and transparent than that. A motion brought publicly and having the appropriate number of co-sponsors to move forward.
If you wish to vote no, vote no, if you think it should be handled by a different body, say so. If you don't want to discuss don't.
Hell, if you think it calls for some form of "executive session" at least have the "testicular fortitude", to steal a phrase from another member of this body, to call for that publicly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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John, you violated my IP. That will be one ham please. On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
As Nick ruled the objection not well-taken I’ll start the ballot.
I ask my fellow LNC members not to dismiss Elizabeth’s concerns. Maybe I watch too many crime documentaries but people be cray.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I disagree with the move to take conversation "off list".
We are discussing whether to censure one of our members. Nothing should be more open and transparent than that. A motion brought publicly and having the appropriate number of co-sponsors to move forward.
If you wish to vote no, vote no, if you think it should be handled by a different body, say so. If you don't want to discuss don't.
Hell, if you think it calls for some form of "executive session" at least have the "testicular fortitude", to steal a phrase from another member of this body, to call for that publicly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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There was a successful motion to censure Moore out of Nevada last term. The authority comes from RONR not the Bylaws. We can literally make a resolution to condemn any person or statement - it an expression of disapproval that doesn't require membership (though I am fairly certain Mr. Leder is a national member). *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.* On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:33 PM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Can someone please point me to the section of the bylaws or even the policy manual where the procedures are outlined for dolling out disciplinary measures against party members and non nominated candidates who are not members of the LNC, nor acting in any official capacity as a representative of the party.
Or even the section that gives this body the authority to "punish" party members who do not serve on this deliberative body?
Or is this just personal for some people who don't like Ben?
Sure what he said may have been distasteful, and even contrary to our principles. But no one was talking about it and I'd heard nothing about it until members of the LNC decided to start advertising the fact. Whereas I've seen actual news coverage of "Libertarian Party Members" condemning the pride movement as disgusting, and protesting against a celebration of a movement the LP has supported since its inception. Are we going to censure them too?
What about the Socialists who advocate violent seizure of private property and campaign for public office with that platform on the Libertarian line? Are we going to censure them too?
We never censured Augustus Invictus before he left? Should we jump on that now in case he tries to come back? What about Chris Cantwell? Or neck, Nathan Larson, I know at least one person who's way more upset about him than Ben Leder.
The simple fact is, I'm not convinced that the LNC even has the authority to censure someone who isnt a member of this body, nor would it have any teeth to be enforced if we did. Last time we censured someone, it WAS a member of this body, and all it accomplished was blowing up their audience, getting new coverage of what they were saying in Reason and other media outlets, as well as making him louder and more determined to be the martyr we were making him.
I will not co-sponsor a motion that serves no purpose, and I will not vote to punish a party member in a manner which I'm convinced exceeds the authority and duties of this committee.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On Jul 11, 2019 12:17 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
John, you violated my IP. That will be one ham please.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:16 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
wrote:
As Nick ruled the objection not well-taken I’ll start the ballot.
I ask my fellow LNC members not to dismiss Elizabeth’s concerns. Maybe I watch too many crime documentaries but people be cray.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I disagree with the move to take conversation "off list".
We are discussing whether to censure one of our members. Nothing should be more open and transparent than that. A motion brought publicly and having the appropriate number of co-sponsors to move forward.
If you wish to vote no, vote no, if you think it should be handled by a different body, say so. If you don't want to discuss don't.
Hell, if you think it calls for some form of "executive session" at least have the "testicular fortitude", to steal a phrase from another member of this body, to call for that publicly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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Well John, Since people in the LP have the security brain cells of gnats, it's all moot now. As people blabbed all over hell and back. For the record: Your attitude and position on this are wrong. It should always be about trying to protect the safety of people. It doesn't matter a rats ass about transparency on this damn list, if someone who's dangerous get's triggered and causes harm. There's no "testicular fortitude" in being stupid. --- Elizabeth Van Horn On 2019-07-11 00:10, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
I disagree with the move to take conversation "off list".
We are discussing whether to censure one of our members. Nothing should be more open and transparent than that. A motion brought publicly and having the appropriate number of co-sponsors to move forward.
If you wish to vote no, vote no, if you think it should be handled by a different body, say so. If you don't want to discuss don't.
Hell, if you think it calls for some form of "executive session" at least have the "testicular fortitude", to steal a phrase from another member of this body, to call for that publicly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
I would usually agree here Mr. Goldstein, but it was the domestic terrorism flavour that changed my mind. No one thinks he won't be out on the first round, but he has entree into national media spaces right now, and we have to protect our party and make it clear we condemn domestic terrorism. McVey was just "some guy" until he wasn't. -Caryn Ann On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:12 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
Do we really want to start this nonsense? I will not cosponsor and will vote no if this becomes a motion. I am nere to get Libertarians elected to public office, not give attention to someone who will likely be out on the first ballot at Austin. Why give him more attention than he deserves.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-07-10 20:04, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I will co-sponsor
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 6:01 PM Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I know it's heinous. I was typing too fast.
On Jul 10, 2019 4:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
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Is that a yes? On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
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In my capacity as Region 1 Representative, I vote nay. There are a couple of nuances to talk about in relation to the vote. My role is to represent the region. I am trusted to hear their voices and concerns and use my judgement to make decisions. For this decision, I sought feedback from the state chairs via messenger, from the region on the region 1 discussion group, and from people in general via the lnc business – discuss group. There were many thoughts and opinions brought up but ultimately, I had to consider the following: 1. Who is Benjamin Leder? He is a member of the Libertarian Party who is running for president, albeit, polling poorly in most circles. There is evidence of colorful language and advocation of violence and threats to a variety of people attributed to him. However, this is a vote to censure, not a vote to report him to the proper authorities to prevent acts of potential domestic terrorism. If any person, whether on the LNC or otherwise feels threatened in anyway by any person, you have somewhat of a moral obligation to let the authorities know. I am a proud Radical Caucus member, but this is where philosophy meets reality. I, nor does the LNC, have any ability to stop any violence advocated by Mr. Leder and a censure would not stop any violent plans. It pains me to say that this is exactly the type of thing a government, in the current era of politics, can help prevent. If there was a working private police network or other security organization that could actively prevent the violence advocated by Mr. Leder, then I would be in favor of reporting to them instead. Safety is priority and at the end of the day, everyone ought to feel safe and secure at home or going to a political convention. Again, I urge any party that feels threatened to report to authorities why you feel threatened. A censure will not alleviate those threats in anyway. 2. What does censure mean and or accomplish? Essentially a censure is when a body sends the message that they disapprove of a person’s statements or actions in a formal way. It is not a true disciplinary action, nor does it have any real effects, other than a record of condemnation. If the LNC censures someone, we are formally stating that we do not approve of that person. If we do that as the LNC, we are stating, essentially, that we wish for that individual not be a member. Part of being a member is to agree to the non-aggression principle. 3. 1. Mr. Leder clearly has made several statements which indicate he no longer agrees with the non-aggression principle and so, in my mind, he has already resigned as a member and a censure would accomplish little and would likely have no effect on him. 2. There is however, the chance the censuring him would have a reverse effect: he becomes a martyr to like-minded individuals and a beacon for those who agree or sympathize with him. It also could push him to a point of no longer caring. Right now, his comments have no verifiable evidence of action that I can find. If Mr. Leder believes himself to be a member and then the leadership turns their back on him by censuring, where does that leave him? An unstable mind that feels abandoned is a dangerous thing. 4. Should this body (the LNC) even consider censure? 5. 1. In recent history, there have been two censures brought before the LNC – one of Arvin Vohra, a member of the LNC at the time the LNC was considering and the other is Benjamin Leder, LP member and declared, FEC-filing presidential candidate. Essentially, the situation with Mr. Vohra was brought to the LNC because Mr. Vohra was part of the LNC. Censuring him separated his viewpoints from those of his colleagues and as leaders of the party it was worth discussing and voting on. In Mr. Leder’s case, however, he is not on the LNC. Further, he is not a state chair nor, to my knowledge, involved in any state’s leadership. He is simply a member who is saying inappropriate things. I do not believe the LNC should have a role in reviewing each member of the party to determine if they have ever said or done anything deserving of censure. It sets a bad precedent. I understood the LNC discussing Mr. Vohra, who sat next to them as a leader of this party. I do not understand reaching down into common membership to do the same. 2. Since I have already explained what a censure is, then I will also say that a censure could also be construed as voicing an opinion on the upcoming election and candidates quite easily. The LNC traditionally has kept its distance from such conversations of endorsing or condemning presidential candidates until after convention in favor of letting delegates decide for themselves. 6. Mr. Leder is running for president; doesn’t that give him a different spotlight? No. To date, there are currently 779 candidates running for president. Of those, 34 are Libertarian. If Mr Leder running for president means something, then I challenge any Libertarian to name all 34 candidates running for our party without looking it up. To be honest, I only knew of about 10. He is a member who filed some paperwork. That does not elevate his status, especially this far out from Convention and the 2020 election. If he were our presidential nominee, then I would absolutely favor censure. 7. This could start a witch hunt mentality and could lead to a slippery slope. Often I hear people joke about purity tests in the Party. I refuse to let the LNC become a potential tool for such activity. I am fearful of a day when something I say in emotion or out of context could be construed to mean something other than intended. In this case, Mr. Leder probably should be reprimanded, and he has been. The LPRC accepted his forced resignation and the leadership in Texas is discussing him because he is one of their members. If the LNC begins commenting on who is libertarian enough or libertarian appropriate, we begin to establish what the bar for being a libertarian is which should never be a purpose of our leadership. The purpose of the LNC is to develop and guide the future of the party, not get bogged down determining if someone is living up to their pledge or not. 8. What if he goes off the deep end (McVeigh style) and the LNC didn’t censure? That would be a terrible scenario, however, I would argue that the opposite could happen as well. I believe Mr. Leder to be a sick, possibly violent, social media warrior. Whether the LNC censures or not is irrelevant to the media and outsiders if he has Libertarian next to his name; even if it is only self-proclaimed media would latch onto the word. Further, because he has filed as a Libertarian to run for president, there is nothing the LNC can do to shake our name from his by voting on it via email in 7 days. The other points I’ve made are based in principle and thought, not an emotional appeal to the what ifs of the world. If something terrible were to happen, I am in favor of writing and introducing a resolution condemning his actions and explaining why violence does not jive with libertarian ideals. One should not condemn a man for his words on social media, but for his actions in the real world. ... On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 13:45 Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Our region will cast a vote before the deadline On Jul 12, 2019 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Is that a yes?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
I vote for censure. From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of John Phillips via Lnc-business Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:06 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Cc: John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Motion to censure Benjamin Leder After a lot of introspection, discussions with my region and my alternate, my team, and other LNC members, I have decided to recuse myself from this vote due to conflict of interest, despite, or perhaps because of strong feelings on it. I co-sponsored it because I believe that discussion of it is important. Many good points have been raised by both sides. Phil Andersen will be casting the vote for region 6 in his capacity as alternate. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 On Jul 15, 2019 6:11 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote: In my capacity as Region 1 Representative, I vote nay. There are a couple of nuances to talk about in relation to the vote. My role is to represent the region. I am trusted to hear their voices and concerns and use my judgement to make decisions. For this decision, I sought feedback from the state chairs via messenger, from the region on the region 1 discussion group, and from people in general via the lnc business – discuss group. There were many thoughts and opinions brought up but ultimately, I had to consider the following: 1. Who is Benjamin Leder? He is a member of the Libertarian Party who is running for president, albeit, polling poorly in most circles. There is evidence of colorful language and advocation of violence and threats to a variety of people attributed to him. However, this is a vote to censure, not a vote to report him to the proper authorities to prevent acts of potential domestic terrorism. If any person, whether on the LNC or otherwise feels threatened in anyway by any person, you have somewhat of a moral obligation to let the authorities know. I am a proud Radical Caucus member, but this is where philosophy meets reality. I, nor does the LNC, have any ability to stop any violence advocated by Mr. Leder and a censure would not stop any violent plans. It pains me to say that this is exactly the type of thing a government, in the current era of politics, can help prevent. If there was a working private police network or other security organization that could actively prevent the violence advocated by Mr. Leder, then I would be in favor of reporting to them instead. Safety is priority and at the end of the day, everyone ought to feel safe and secure at home or going to a political convention. Again, I urge any party that feels threatened to report to authorities why you feel threatened. A censure will not alleviate those threats in anyway. 2. What does censure mean and or accomplish? Essentially a censure is when a body sends the message that they disapprove of a person’s statements or actions in a formal way. It is not a true disciplinary action, nor does it have any real effects, other than a record of condemnation. If the LNC censures someone, we are formally stating that we do not approve of that person. If we do that as the LNC, we are stating, essentially, that we wish for that individual not be a member. Part of being a member is to agree to the non-aggression principle. 3. 1. Mr. Leder clearly has made several statements which indicate he no longer agrees with the non-aggression principle and so, in my mind, he has already resigned as a member and a censure would accomplish little and would likely have no effect on him. 2. There is however, the chance the censuring him would have a reverse effect: he becomes a martyr to like-minded individuals and a beacon for those who agree or sympathize with him. It also could push him to a point of no longer caring. Right now, his comments have no verifiable evidence of action that I can find. If Mr. Leder believes himself to be a member and then the leadership turns their back on him by censuring, where does that leave him? An unstable mind that feels abandoned is a dangerous thing. 4. Should this body (the LNC) even consider censure? 5. 1. In recent history, there have been two censures brought before the LNC – one of Arvin Vohra, a member of the LNC at the time the LNC was considering and the other is Benjamin Leder, LP member and declared, FEC-filing presidential candidate. Essentially, the situation with Mr. Vohra was brought to the LNC because Mr. Vohra was part of the LNC. Censuring him separated his viewpoints from those of his colleagues and as leaders of the party it was worth discussing and voting on. In Mr. Leder’s case, however, he is not on the LNC. Further, he is not a state chair nor, to my knowledge, involved in any state’s leadership. He is simply a member who is saying inappropriate things. I do not believe the LNC should have a role in reviewing each member of the party to determine if they have ever said or done anything deserving of censure. It sets a bad precedent. I understood the LNC discussing Mr. Vohra, who sat next to them as a leader of this party. I do not understand reaching down into common membership to do the same. 2. Since I have already explained what a censure is, then I will also say that a censure could also be construed as voicing an opinion on the upcoming election and candidates quite easily. The LNC traditionally has kept its distance from such conversations of endorsing or condemning presidential candidates until after convention in favor of letting delegates decide for themselves. 6. Mr. Leder is running for president; doesn’t that give him a different spotlight? No. To date, there are currently 779 candidates running for president. Of those, 34 are Libertarian. If Mr Leder running for president means something, then I challenge any Libertarian to name all 34 candidates running for our party without looking it up. To be honest, I only knew of about 10. He is a member who filed some paperwork. That does not elevate his status, especially this far out from Convention and the 2020 election. If he were our presidential nominee, then I would absolutely favor censure. 7. This could start a witch hunt mentality and could lead to a slippery slope. Often I hear people joke about purity tests in the Party. I refuse to let the LNC become a potential tool for such activity. I am fearful of a day when something I say in emotion or out of context could be construed to mean something other than intended. In this case, Mr. Leder probably should be reprimanded, and he has been. The LPRC accepted his forced resignation and the leadership in Texas is discussing him because he is one of their members. If the LNC begins commenting on who is libertarian enough or libertarian appropriate, we begin to establish what the bar for being a libertarian is which should never be a purpose of our leadership. The purpose of the LNC is to develop and guide the future of the party, not get bogged down determining if someone is living up to their pledge or not. 8. What if he goes off the deep end (McVeigh style) and the LNC didn’t censure? That would be a terrible scenario, however, I would argue that the opposite could happen as well. I believe Mr. Leder to be a sick, possibly violent, social media warrior. Whether the LNC censures or not is irrelevant to the media and outsiders if he has Libertarian next to his name; even if it is only self-proclaimed media would latch onto the word. Further, because he has filed as a Libertarian to run for president, there is nothing the LNC can do to shake our name from his by voting on it via email in 7 days. The other points I’ve made are based in principle and thought, not an emotional appeal to the what ifs of the world. If something terrible were to happen, I am in favor of writing and introducing a resolution condemning his actions and explaining why violence does not jive with libertarian ideals. One should not condemn a man for his words on social media, but for his actions in the real world. ... On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 13:45 Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Our region will cast a vote before the deadline On Jul 12, 2019 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org <mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote:
Is that a yes?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
Mr. Anderson, I will note this in the vote thread but it would be helpful if you did. It is the one that has BALLOT in all caps. -Caryn Ann *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:24 PM phillip.anderson--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote for censure.
From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of John Phillips via Lnc-business Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:06 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Cc: John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Motion to censure Benjamin Leder
After a lot of introspection, discussions with my region and my alternate, my team, and other LNC members, I have decided to recuse myself from this vote due to conflict of interest, despite, or perhaps because of strong feelings on it.
I co-sponsored it because I believe that discussion of it is important. Many good points have been raised by both sides.
Phil Andersen will be casting the vote for region 6 in his capacity as alternate.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jul 15, 2019 6:11 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
In my capacity as Region 1 Representative, I vote nay.
There are a couple of nuances to talk about in relation to the vote. My role is to represent the region. I am trusted to hear their voices and concerns and use my judgement to make decisions. For this decision, I sought feedback from the state chairs via messenger, from the region on the region 1 discussion group, and from people in general via the lnc business – discuss group. There were many thoughts and opinions brought up but ultimately, I had to consider the following:
1.
Who is Benjamin Leder? He is a member of the Libertarian Party who is running for president, albeit, polling poorly in most circles. There is evidence of colorful language and advocation of violence and threats to a variety of people attributed to him. However, this is a vote to censure, not a vote to report him to the proper authorities to prevent acts of potential domestic terrorism. If any person, whether on the LNC or otherwise feels threatened in anyway by any person, you have somewhat of a moral obligation to let the authorities know. I am a proud Radical Caucus member, but this is where philosophy meets reality. I, nor does the LNC, have any ability to stop any violence advocated by Mr. Leder and a censure would not stop any violent plans. It pains me to say that this is exactly the type of thing a government, in the current era of politics, can help prevent. If there was a working private police network or other security organization that could actively prevent the violence advocated by Mr. Leder, then I would be in favor of reporting to them instead. Safety is priority and at the end of the day, everyone ought to feel safe and secure at home or going to a political convention. Again, I urge any party that feels threatened to report to authorities why you feel threatened. A censure will not alleviate those threats in anyway. 2.
What does censure mean and or accomplish? Essentially a censure is when a body sends the message that they disapprove of a person’s statements or actions in a formal way. It is not a true disciplinary action, nor does it have any real effects, other than a record of condemnation. If the LNC censures someone, we are formally stating that we do not approve of that person. If we do that as the LNC, we are stating, essentially, that we wish for that individual not be a member. Part of being a member is to agree to the non-aggression principle. 3. 1.
Mr. Leder clearly has made several statements which indicate he no longer agrees with the non-aggression principle and so, in my mind, he has already resigned as a member and a censure would accomplish little and would likely have no effect on him. 2.
There is however, the chance the censuring him would have a reverse effect: he becomes a martyr to like-minded individuals and a beacon for those who agree or sympathize with him. It also could push him to a point of no longer caring. Right now, his comments have no verifiable evidence of action that I can find. If Mr. Leder believes himself to be a member and then the leadership turns their back on him by censuring, where does that leave him? An unstable mind that feels abandoned is a dangerous thing. 4.
Should this body (the LNC) even consider censure? 5. 1.
In recent history, there have been two censures brought before the LNC – one of Arvin Vohra, a member of the LNC at the time the LNC was considering and the other is Benjamin Leder, LP member and declared, FEC-filing presidential candidate. Essentially, the situation with Mr. Vohra was brought to the LNC because Mr. Vohra was part of the LNC. Censuring him separated his viewpoints from those of his colleagues and as leaders of the party it was worth discussing and voting on. In Mr. Leder’s case, however, he is not on the LNC. Further, he is not a state chair nor, to my knowledge, involved in any state’s leadership. He is simply a member who is saying inappropriate things. I do not believe the LNC should have a role in reviewing each member of the party to determine if they have ever said or done anything deserving of censure. It sets a bad precedent. I understood the LNC discussing Mr. Vohra, who sat next to them as a leader of this party. I do not understand reaching down into common membership to do the same. 2.
Since I have already explained what a censure is, then I will also say that a censure could also be construed as voicing an opinion on the upcoming election and candidates quite easily. The LNC traditionally has kept its distance from such conversations of endorsing or condemning presidential candidates until after convention in favor of letting delegates decide for themselves. 6.
Mr. Leder is running for president; doesn’t that give him a different spotlight? No. To date, there are currently 779 candidates running for president. Of those, 34 are Libertarian. If Mr Leder running for president means something, then I challenge any Libertarian to name all 34 candidates running for our party without looking it up. To be honest, I only knew of about 10. He is a member who filed some paperwork. That does not elevate his status, especially this far out from Convention and the 2020 election. If he were our presidential nominee, then I would absolutely favor censure. 7.
This could start a witch hunt mentality and could lead to a slippery slope. Often I hear people joke about purity tests in the Party. I refuse to let the LNC become a potential tool for such activity. I am fearful of a day when something I say in emotion or out of context could be construed to mean something other than intended. In this case, Mr. Leder probably should be reprimanded, and he has been. The LPRC accepted his forced resignation and the leadership in Texas is discussing him because he is one of their members. If the LNC begins commenting on who is libertarian enough or libertarian appropriate, we begin to establish what the bar for being a libertarian is which should never be a purpose of our leadership. The purpose of the LNC is to develop and guide the future of the party, not get bogged down determining if someone is living up to their pledge or not. 8.
What if he goes off the deep end (McVeigh style) and the LNC didn’t censure? That would be a terrible scenario, however, I would argue that the opposite could happen as well. I believe Mr. Leder to be a sick, possibly violent, social media warrior. Whether the LNC censures or not is irrelevant to the media and outsiders if he has Libertarian next to his name; even if it is only self-proclaimed media would latch onto the word. Further, because he has filed as a Libertarian to run for president, there is nothing the LNC can do to shake our name from his by voting on it via email in 7 days. The other points I’ve made are based in principle and thought, not an emotional appeal to the what ifs of the world. If something terrible were to happen, I am in favor of writing and introducing a resolution condemning his actions and explaining why violence does not jive with libertarian ideals. One should not condemn a man for his words on social media, but for his actions in the real world.
... On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 13:45 Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Our region will cast a vote before the deadline On Jul 12, 2019 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org <mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote:
Is that a yes?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
Mr. Longstreth, can you please put that in the ballot thread. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:46 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Anderson, I will note this in the vote thread but it would be helpful if you did. It is the one that has BALLOT in all caps.
-Caryn Ann
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 7:24 PM phillip.anderson--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote for censure.
From: Lnc-business <lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org> On Behalf Of John Phillips via Lnc-business Sent: Monday, July 15, 2019 8:06 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Cc: John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Motion to censure Benjamin Leder
After a lot of introspection, discussions with my region and my alternate, my team, and other LNC members, I have decided to recuse myself from this vote due to conflict of interest, despite, or perhaps because of strong feelings on it.
I co-sponsored it because I believe that discussion of it is important. Many good points have been raised by both sides.
Phil Andersen will be casting the vote for region 6 in his capacity as alternate.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jul 15, 2019 6:11 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
In my capacity as Region 1 Representative, I vote nay.
There are a couple of nuances to talk about in relation to the vote. My role is to represent the region. I am trusted to hear their voices and concerns and use my judgement to make decisions. For this decision, I sought feedback from the state chairs via messenger, from the region on the region 1 discussion group, and from people in general via the lnc business – discuss group. There were many thoughts and opinions brought up but ultimately, I had to consider the following:
1.
Who is Benjamin Leder? He is a member of the Libertarian Party who is running for president, albeit, polling poorly in most circles. There is evidence of colorful language and advocation of violence and threats to a variety of people attributed to him. However, this is a vote to censure, not a vote to report him to the proper authorities to prevent acts of potential domestic terrorism. If any person, whether on the LNC or otherwise feels threatened in anyway by any person, you have somewhat of a moral obligation to let the authorities know. I am a proud Radical Caucus member, but this is where philosophy meets reality. I, nor does the LNC, have any ability to stop any violence advocated by Mr. Leder and a censure would not stop any violent plans. It pains me to say that this is exactly the type of thing a government, in the current era of politics, can help prevent. If there was a working private police network or other security organization that could actively prevent the violence advocated by Mr. Leder, then I would be in favor of reporting to them instead. Safety is priority and at the end of the day, everyone ought to feel safe and secure at home or going to a political convention. Again, I urge any party that feels threatened to report to authorities why you feel threatened. A censure will not alleviate those threats in anyway. 2.
What does censure mean and or accomplish? Essentially a censure is when a body sends the message that they disapprove of a person’s statements or actions in a formal way. It is not a true disciplinary action, nor does it have any real effects, other than a record of condemnation. If the LNC censures someone, we are formally stating that we do not approve of that person. If we do that as the LNC, we are stating, essentially, that we wish for that individual not be a member. Part of being a member is to agree to the non-aggression principle. 3. 1.
Mr. Leder clearly has made several statements which indicate he no longer agrees with the non-aggression principle and so, in my mind, he has already resigned as a member and a censure would accomplish little and would likely have no effect on him. 2.
There is however, the chance the censuring him would have a reverse effect: he becomes a martyr to like-minded individuals and a beacon for those who agree or sympathize with him. It also could push him to a point of no longer caring. Right now, his comments have no verifiable evidence of action that I can find. If Mr. Leder believes himself to be a member and then the leadership turns their back on him by censuring, where does that leave him? An unstable mind that feels abandoned is a dangerous thing. 4.
Should this body (the LNC) even consider censure? 5. 1.
In recent history, there have been two censures brought before the LNC – one of Arvin Vohra, a member of the LNC at the time the LNC was considering and the other is Benjamin Leder, LP member and declared, FEC-filing presidential candidate. Essentially, the situation with Mr. Vohra was brought to the LNC because Mr. Vohra was part of the LNC. Censuring him separated his viewpoints from those of his colleagues and as leaders of the party it was worth discussing and voting on. In Mr. Leder’s case, however, he is not on the LNC. Further, he is not a state chair nor, to my knowledge, involved in any state’s leadership. He is simply a member who is saying inappropriate things. I do not believe the LNC should have a role in reviewing each member of the party to determine if they have ever said or done anything deserving of censure. It sets a bad precedent. I understood the LNC discussing Mr. Vohra, who sat next to them as a leader of this party. I do not understand reaching down into common membership to do the same. 2.
Since I have already explained what a censure is, then I will also say that a censure could also be construed as voicing an opinion on the upcoming election and candidates quite easily. The LNC traditionally has kept its distance from such conversations of endorsing or condemning presidential candidates until after convention in favor of letting delegates decide for themselves. 6.
Mr. Leder is running for president; doesn’t that give him a different spotlight? No. To date, there are currently 779 candidates running for president. Of those, 34 are Libertarian. If Mr Leder running for president means something, then I challenge any Libertarian to name all 34 candidates running for our party without looking it up. To be honest, I only knew of about 10. He is a member who filed some paperwork. That does not elevate his status, especially this far out from Convention and the 2020 election. If he were our presidential nominee, then I would absolutely favor censure. 7.
This could start a witch hunt mentality and could lead to a slippery slope. Often I hear people joke about purity tests in the Party. I refuse to let the LNC become a potential tool for such activity. I am fearful of a day when something I say in emotion or out of context could be construed to mean something other than intended. In this case, Mr. Leder probably should be reprimanded, and he has been. The LPRC accepted his forced resignation and the leadership in Texas is discussing him because he is one of their members. If the LNC begins commenting on who is libertarian enough or libertarian appropriate, we begin to establish what the bar for being a libertarian is which should never be a purpose of our leadership. The purpose of the LNC is to develop and guide the future of the party, not get bogged down determining if someone is living up to their pledge or not. 8.
What if he goes off the deep end (McVeigh style) and the LNC didn’t censure? That would be a terrible scenario, however, I would argue that the opposite could happen as well. I believe Mr. Leder to be a sick, possibly violent, social media warrior. Whether the LNC censures or not is irrelevant to the media and outsiders if he has Libertarian next to his name; even if it is only self-proclaimed media would latch onto the word. Further, because he has filed as a Libertarian to run for president, there is nothing the LNC can do to shake our name from his by voting on it via email in 7 days. The other points I’ve made are based in principle and thought, not an emotional appeal to the what ifs of the world. If something terrible were to happen, I am in favor of writing and introducing a resolution condemning his actions and explaining why violence does not jive with libertarian ideals. One should not condemn a man for his words on social media, but for his actions in the real world.
... On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 13:45 Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Our region will cast a vote before the deadline On Jul 12, 2019 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org <mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote:
Is that a yes?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org> > wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
Greetings again, The state chairs of region 1 came together quickly and agreed that an abstain vote is the will of the region and so I change my vote to abstain with all of the same points I made previously. ... We do not wish there to be any perception that we approve of Mr Leder's comments and a no vote could be perceived that way whereas we hope to send the message, by our abstention, that this should not be an LNC matter. Richard On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 19:11 Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote:
In my capacity as Region 1 Representative, I vote nay.
There are a couple of nuances to talk about in relation to the vote. My role is to represent the region. I am trusted to hear their voices and concerns and use my judgement to make decisions. For this decision, I sought feedback from the state chairs via messenger, from the region on the region 1 discussion group, and from people in general via the lnc business – discuss group. There were many thoughts and opinions brought up but ultimately, I had to consider the following:
1.
Who is Benjamin Leder? He is a member of the Libertarian Party who is running for president, albeit, polling poorly in most circles. There is evidence of colorful language and advocation of violence and threats to a variety of people attributed to him. However, this is a vote to censure, not a vote to report him to the proper authorities to prevent acts of potential domestic terrorism. If any person, whether on the LNC or otherwise feels threatened in anyway by any person, you have somewhat of a moral obligation to let the authorities know. I am a proud Radical Caucus member, but this is where philosophy meets reality. I, nor does the LNC, have any ability to stop any violence advocated by Mr. Leder and a censure would not stop any violent plans. It pains me to say that this is exactly the type of thing a government, in the current era of politics, can help prevent. If there was a working private police network or other security organization that could actively prevent the violence advocated by Mr. Leder, then I would be in favor of reporting to them instead. Safety is priority and at the end of the day, everyone ought to feel safe and secure at home or going to a political convention. Again, I urge any party that feels threatened to report to authorities why you feel threatened. A censure will not alleviate those threats in anyway. 2.
What does censure mean and or accomplish? Essentially a censure is when a body sends the message that they disapprove of a person’s statements or actions in a formal way. It is not a true disciplinary action, nor does it have any real effects, other than a record of condemnation. If the LNC censures someone, we are formally stating that we do not approve of that person. If we do that as the LNC, we are stating, essentially, that we wish for that individual not be a member. Part of being a member is to agree to the non-aggression principle. 3. 1.
Mr. Leder clearly has made several statements which indicate he no longer agrees with the non-aggression principle and so, in my mind, he has already resigned as a member and a censure would accomplish little and would likely have no effect on him. 2.
There is however, the chance the censuring him would have a reverse effect: he becomes a martyr to like-minded individuals and a beacon for those who agree or sympathize with him. It also could push him to a point of no longer caring. Right now, his comments have no verifiable evidence of action that I can find. If Mr. Leder believes himself to be a member and then the leadership turns their back on him by censuring, where does that leave him? An unstable mind that feels abandoned is a dangerous thing. 4.
Should this body (the LNC) even consider censure? 5. 1.
In recent history, there have been two censures brought before the LNC – one of Arvin Vohra, a member of the LNC at the time the LNC was considering and the other is Benjamin Leder, LP member and declared, FEC-filing presidential candidate. Essentially, the situation with Mr. Vohra was brought to the LNC because Mr. Vohra was part of the LNC. Censuring him separated his viewpoints from those of his colleagues and as leaders of the party it was worth discussing and voting on. In Mr. Leder’s case, however, he is not on the LNC. Further, he is not a state chair nor, to my knowledge, involved in any state’s leadership. He is simply a member who is saying inappropriate things. I do not believe the LNC should have a role in reviewing each member of the party to determine if they have ever said or done anything deserving of censure. It sets a bad precedent. I understood the LNC discussing Mr. Vohra, who sat next to them as a leader of this party. I do not understand reaching down into common membership to do the same. 2.
Since I have already explained what a censure is, then I will also say that a censure could also be construed as voicing an opinion on the upcoming election and candidates quite easily. The LNC traditionally has kept its distance from such conversations of endorsing or condemning presidential candidates until after convention in favor of letting delegates decide for themselves. 6.
Mr. Leder is running for president; doesn’t that give him a different spotlight? No. To date, there are currently 779 candidates running for president. Of those, 34 are Libertarian. If Mr Leder running for president means something, then I challenge any Libertarian to name all 34 candidates running for our party without looking it up. To be honest, I only knew of about 10. He is a member who filed some paperwork. That does not elevate his status, especially this far out from Convention and the 2020 election. If he were our presidential nominee, then I would absolutely favor censure. 7.
This could start a witch hunt mentality and could lead to a slippery slope. Often I hear people joke about purity tests in the Party. I refuse to let the LNC become a potential tool for such activity. I am fearful of a day when something I say in emotion or out of context could be construed to mean something other than intended. In this case, Mr. Leder probably should be reprimanded, and he has been. The LPRC accepted his forced resignation and the leadership in Texas is discussing him because he is one of their members. If the LNC begins commenting on who is libertarian enough or libertarian appropriate, we begin to establish what the bar for being a libertarian is which should never be a purpose of our leadership. The purpose of the LNC is to develop and guide the future of the party, not get bogged down determining if someone is living up to their pledge or not. 8.
What if he goes off the deep end (McVeigh style) and the LNC didn’t censure? That would be a terrible scenario, however, I would argue that the opposite could happen as well. I believe Mr. Leder to be a sick, possibly violent, social media warrior. Whether the LNC censures or not is irrelevant to the media and outsiders if he has Libertarian next to his name; even if it is only self-proclaimed media would latch onto the word. Further, because he has filed as a Libertarian to run for president, there is nothing the LNC can do to shake our name from his by voting on it via email in 7 days. The other points I’ve made are based in principle and thought, not an emotional appeal to the what ifs of the world. If something terrible were to happen, I am in favor of writing and introducing a resolution condemning his actions and explaining why violence does not jive with libertarian ideals. One should not condemn a man for his words on social media, but for his actions in the real world.
... On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 13:45 Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Our region will cast a vote before the deadline On Jul 12, 2019 12:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Is that a yes?
On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 10:30 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Oklahoma voted to censure Joe Exotic in 2017. In 2018 Oklahoma voted to remove the membership of Joe Exotic just before he was convicted on over 20 federal charges INCLUDING multiple counts of murder for hire. The members saw "smoke" and acted . The members were correct imo. Joe Exotic is STILL a declared candidate for our POTUS nomination....
I fully support this motion
Erin Adams Region 7 Alternate
On Jul 10, 2019 6:53 PM, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Good evening esteemed colleagues,
I am currently looking for co-sponsors for my motion to censure Benjamin Leder. He is a candidate for our POTUS Nomination and has been spreading some pretty hanus stuff. I believe that as party leadership it is extremely important that we let the party know that we arent supportive of these actions.
Motion below:
To the Libertarian National Committee
WHEREAS, Mr. Benjamin Leder (Texas) is currently running to be elected as the Libertarian Party's nominee for President of the United States;
WHEREAS, Mr. Leder has continually engaged in behavior that goes directly against our core principles and is antithetical to the mission of any representative of the Libertarian Party;
WHEREAS, He has made direct violent threats and approval of domestic terrorism against the Libertarian Party, including its National Committee members, conventions, candidates, and members of local affiliates, in cases not in self-defense, but in blatant aggression to achieve political goals;
WHEREAS, As examples of the above, he has published articles, appeared in media, and posted on social media clear threats of violence and advocate of domestic terrorism on peaceful people, including calling for an "Oklahoma City style" ending to not only the Democratic and Republican conventions, but also of the 2020 Libertarian National Convention, thus putting in danger our staff, delegates, and family members;
WHEREAS, He has made public, violent statements about killing peaceful people and "leaving their bodies in contractor bags at the curb for the garbage man";
WHEREAS, He has called for members who support the official Libertarian Party position of being anti-war to be physically battered;
WHEREAS, the Libertarian Party absolutely repudiates non-defensive violence and all aggression against peaceful people, and associating such statements with our Party defames its members and brand; and
RESOLVED, That the Libertarian National Committee condemns these actions by Mr. Leder as completely abhorrent to the mission, platform, and principles of the Libertarian Party.
Respectfully submitted,
Joshua D. Smith, LNC At Large Representative
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.*
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Caryn Ann Harlos -
Elizabeth Van Horn -
Erin Adams -
John Phillips -
Joshua Smith -
Justin O'Donnell -
phillip.anderson＠lp.org -
Richard Longstreth -
Sam Goldstein -
Steven Nekhaila -
Tim Hagan