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probably EC call tonight 9:30 p.m. Eastern regarding Illinois ballot access
by Wes Benedict 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

It is likely there will be an Executive Committee phone meeting tonight at 9:30 p.m. Eastern to consider additional funds for the LP Illinois ballot access petition drive. I apologize for the late notice, but I just received information related to the need late last night, and the determination of the need is immediate. Stay tuned for updates, and likely an official notice with call details from Secretary Mattson. -- Wes Benedict, Executive Director Libertarian National Committee, Inc. 1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314 (202) 333-0008 ext. 232, wes.benedict(a)lp.org facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational Join the Libertarian Party at: http://lp.org/membership

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Families Belong Together—June 30 Event! -In NOLA
by Elizabeth Van Horn 20 Jun '18

20 Jun '18

Jess Mears found this "Families Belong Together-Attend a June 30 Event" site. I looked on their map, and see that the event in New Orleans is about five blocks south of the Hyatt Regency. Within walking distance for many of the LP members who'll be in NOLA for the convention. The event is Saturday, June 30 at 10 a.m. (local time), in NOLA on June 30th, will be about five blocks south of the Hyatt Regency. Libertarians that aren't in meetings could go. Here's a link for information: https://www.familiesbelongtogether.org/ The NOLA info: https://act.moveon.org/event/families-belong-together/19840/signup/?source=… Might be some activism that LP members could do if they're in NOLA on Sat, June 30th, and not in meetings. -- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana LP Social Media Process Review Committee Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/ Jess Mears found this "Families Belong Together-Attend a June 30 Event" site. I looked on their map, and see that the event in New Orleans is about five blocks south of the Hyatt Regency. Within walking distance for many of the LP members who'll be in NOLA for the convention. The event is Saturday, June 30 at 10 a.m. (local time), in NOLA on June 30th, will be about five blocks south of the Hyatt Regency. Libertarians that aren't in meetings could go. Here's a link for information: [1]https://www.familiesbelongtogether.org/ The NOLA info: [2]https://act.moveon.org/event/families-belong-together/19840/signup/? source=&s= Might be some activism that LP members could do if they're in NOLA on Sat, June 30th, and not in meetings. -- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana LP Social Media Process Review Committee Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus [3]http://www.lpcaucus.org/ References 1. https://www.familiesbelongtogether.org/ 2. https://act.moveon.org/event/families-belong-together/19840/signup/?source=… 3. http://www.lpcaucus.org/

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To Regionals
by Caryn Ann Harlos 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

There is a conference room available at the site for $150 for four hours on Friday night. Region 1 wanted to have a meet and greet with its regional candidates - would any other regions want to do the same and help split the cost? We can work out time slots. -- *In Liberty,* *Caryn Ann Harlos* Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles: *We defend your rights* *And oppose the use of force* *Taxation is theft* There is a conference room available at the site for $150 for four hours on Friday night. Region 1 wanted to have a meet and greet with its regional candidates - would any other regions want to do the same and help split the cost? We can work out time slots. -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee Chair, Libertarian National Party Platform Committee Member, Libertarian National Party Bylaws Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft References 1. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org

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nature of my PEBKAC error
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

Well, I've duplicated the problem with my email messages being sent to the wrong place. When I reply to a message that SOMEONE ELSE posted to the list, my email system puts the list name in the "To" field. The problem happens when I reply to a message that I posted to the list...and then my email system puts me (rather than the list) as the name in the "To" field. If I instead do a reply-all, it lists both me and the list as the recipients. That explains why it was happening routinely with the email ballot results. When I send the results, I go back to the message in which I started the email ballot so that the motion itself will appear just below the results for quick reference. I don't think this was an issue for the whole term (or the previous term), so I think something changed, and I didn't notice. Perhaps it is related to moving the email list to the new server? Maybe my Gmail settings related to sending from my @lp.org address to accommodate the new list... Our next email ballot ends on Thursday, so let's see if I remember this issue when I send the results. :-) -Alicia Well, I've duplicated the problem with my email messages being sent to the wrong place. When I reply to a message that SOMEONE ELSE posted to the list, my email system puts the list name in the "To" field. The problem happens when I reply to a message that I posted to the list...and then my email system puts me (rather than the list) as the name in the "To" field. If I instead do a reply-all, it lists both me and the list as the recipients. That explains why it was happening routinely with the email ballot results. When I send the results, I go back to the message in which I started the email ballot so that the motion itself will appear just below the results for quick reference. I don't think this was an issue for the whole term (or the previous term), so I think something changed, and I didn't notice. Perhaps it is related to moving the email list to the new server? Maybe my Gmail settings related to sending from my @[1]lp.org address to accommodate the new list... Our next email ballot ends on Thursday, so let's see if I remember this issue when I send the results. :-) -Alicia References 1. http://lp.org/

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-02: Appoint Adams to APRC
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

And this one... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-02: Appoint Adams to APRC To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: *Voting "aye":* Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, McKnight, Redpath, Starchild, Van Horn *Voting "nay":* (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > We have an electronic mail ballot. > > > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 24, 2018 at 11:59:59pm > Pacific time.* > *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Hayes, Goldstein, Demarest, Bilyeu, Van Horn, > Starchild > > *Motion:* to appoint Erin Adams to the APRC > > > -Alicia > > And this one... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-02: Appoint Adams to APRC To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: Voting "aye": Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, McKnight, Redpath, Starchild, Van Horn Voting "nay": (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by January 24, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Hayes, Goldstein, Demarest, Bilyeu, Van Horn, Starchild Motion: to appoint Erin Adams to the APRC -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-04: Appoint Adams to CSC
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

Looks like this one went to me also... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-04: Appoint Adams to CSC To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: *Voting "aye":* Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, Redpath, Starchild, Van Horn *Voting "nay":* (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > We have an electronic mail ballot. > > > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by March 7, 2018 at 11:59:59pm > Pacific time.* > *Co-Sponsors:* Goldstein, Van Horn, Demarest, Bilyeu, Hagan, Harlos, > Hayes > > *Motion:* to appoint Erin Adams to fill the vacant LNC member position > on the Candidate Support Committee > > -Alicia > > Looks like this one went to me also... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 9:11 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-04: Appoint Adams to CSC To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: Voting "aye": Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, Redpath, Starchild, Van Horn Voting "nay": (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by March 7, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Goldstein, Van Horn, Demarest, Bilyeu, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes Motion: to appoint Erin Adams to fill the vacant LNC member position on the Candidate Support Committee -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

And here was my express abstention that was listed in the results. -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I abstain. I would have voted "yes" except for the proposed changes to sections (i) and (p). I am disappointed that some seem to be making the decision with little more analysis beyond " Zoom: it doesn’t suck". Because I was not willing to act on such minimal information, I spent some time kicking the tires on Zoom this week. There are some things that I like better about Zoom, but there are definitely other things that I like better about Adobe Connect. I've used Adobe Connect many times, and I've only had one bad experience with it. I have come to the conclusion that the one unpleasant experience was likely caused by me hosting via wi-fi, rather than via a wired internet connection. When I've used wired connections, it has been pretty good. A very important factor for me is whether the platform has features to facilitate a Robert's Rules meeting. Zoom has those features, so I am comfortable with allowing it as a meeting option. Below are my comments comparing the two options. *Features that are better in Adobe Connect:* - Participant list is sorted alphabetically. Under those conditions, putting "zz" in front of guest names sorts them to the bottom of the list so that all voting members are grouped at the top. In Zoom, the participants seem to be listed based on the order in which they joined, and I haven't found an option to re-sort them. If 50 guests join an LNC meeting in Zoom, finding the eligible voters will be a bigger pain. - Most meeting settings can be changed on the fly during the meeting. In Zoom, many features can only be turned on/off before the meeting starts. To change those settings requires ending the meeting, making the change, and re-starting the meeting. - Admin has much more control over the different information modules on the screen, including size and placement of them. - Has a discussion notes pod which can be used to allow the admin (or anyone the admin grants permission) to essentially take minutes right there on the same screen as the meeting, so participants can see the wording of the motions, can compare language in substitute motions. In Zoom the secretary could do a screen share, but it's not integrated with the screen showing other video, chat pod, and participant list info. Other live-action information takes a back seat to the screen share. The secretary can take notes off-line instead, but then the secretary is switching screens between the meeting and a text editing application. *Features that are better in Zoom:* - Telephone participation is integrated into the system at no additional charge. In Adobe Connect, the admin has to take some additional steps to connect a bridge to the teleconference system, and we pay per minute for use of the phone system. I have not been in a Zoom meeting to experience the phone connection quality. In Adobe Connect, there are times that the teleconference bridge temporarily drops and can take about a minute to re-connect the phone participants to the computer participants. - If your video camera isn't on, you can load a still-photo avatar to display to represent you, or as a default it will display just a block with your name. It's both a blessing and a curse, however. With few participants, it seems like a neat feature. If you have 50 participants, though... In Adobe Connect the area of the screen dedicated to video is only used for actual video feeds. In Zoom, the still photos share the same real-estate with the videos, so some of your real estate is taken up by photos which do not convey live info, and you have to scroll to see other live video feeds. Overall, I think Adobe Connect will still be my preferred option, but to be fair, I haven't had as much experience with Zoom yet. -Alicia On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > We have an electronic mail ballot. > > > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 2, 2018 at 11:59:59pm > Pacific time.* > *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Goldstein, Demarest, O'Donnell, Van Horn > > *Motion:* Amend Policy Manual Section 1.02.7 Electronic Meetings as > follows: > > a) The term “electronic meeting” within these electronic meeting rules > shall be construed to include teleconferences and videoconferences. > > b) The term “committee” within these electronic meeting rules shall be > construed to include both the LNC (as the board of the Libertarian Party) > as well as committees. > > c) All videoconferences will be conducted via the Adobe Connect (Citrix) > service, hereinafter referred to as Adobe Connect* or via Zoom (zoom.us > <http://zoom.us>). These two services are hereinafter referred to as > Electronic Meeting Provider(s)*. > > […] > > e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by > emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time > of the meeting, *meeting link including the identity of the Electronic > Meeting Provider, *and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so > called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 > members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These > time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's > Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. > > […] > > h) Each participant must provide his own equipment and connectivity, > including but not limited to any computer, internet access, web camera, > microphone, earphones, or telephone. Members and alternates have the right > to participate in an electronic meeting by telephone, however they should > use a computer connection if feasible so as to be able to more fully use > the Adobe Connect *Electronic Meeting Provider *features. The > organization is not responsible for providing a central location for > physical attendance of an electronic meeting. For face-to- face meetings, > electronic participation is not allowed. > > i) Each participant must accurately identify himself by name when joining > the meeting. Videoconference participants other than members or alternates > of the committee must precede their sign-in name with “zz” *(or the group > administrator shall do so) *so as to group them at the end of the > alphabetical participant list. > > […] > > n) If the committee permits, participants other than members or alternates > of the committee may observe videoconferences using Adobe Connect *the > Electronic Meeting Provider *(and not by a toll-free number) with their > web cameras off and their microphones muted. > > o) The LNC Secretary shall promulgate these rules to all > members/alternates of each committee upon notice of their election or > appointment. > > *p) Arrangements for use of the Electronic Meeting Provides must be made > through the LNC Secretary who may be required to be present to administer > the meeting which might limit available days for use.* > > > > > -Alicia > > > And here was my express abstention that was listed in the results. -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I abstain. I would have voted "yes" except for the proposed changes to sections (i) and (p). I am disappointed that some seem to be making the decision with little more analysis beyond " Zoom: it doesn’t suck". Because I was not willing to act on such minimal information, I spent some time kicking the tires on Zoom this week. There are some things that I like better about Zoom, but there are definitely other things that I like better about Adobe Connect. I've used Adobe Connect many times, and I've only had one bad experience with it. I have come to the conclusion that the one unpleasant experience was likely caused by me hosting via wi-fi, rather than via a wired internet connection. When I've used wired connections, it has been pretty good. A very important factor for me is whether the platform has features to facilitate a Robert's Rules meeting. Zoom has those features, so I am comfortable with allowing it as a meeting option. Below are my comments comparing the two options. Features that are better in Adobe Connect: * Participant list is sorted alphabetically. Under those conditions, putting "zz" in front of guest names sorts them to the bottom of the list so that all voting members are grouped at the top. In Zoom, the participants seem to be listed based on the order in which they joined, and I haven't found an option to re-sort them. If 50 guests join an LNC meeting in Zoom, finding the eligible voters will be a bigger pain. * Most meeting settings can be changed on the fly during the meeting. In Zoom, many features can only be turned on/off before the meeting starts. To change those settings requires ending the meeting, making the change, and re-starting the meeting. * Admin has much more control over the different information modules on the screen, including size and placement of them. * Has a discussion notes pod which can be used to allow the admin (or anyone the admin grants permission) to essentially take minutes right there on the same screen as the meeting, so participants can see the wording of the motions, can compare language in substitute motions. In Zoom the secretary could do a screen share, but it's not integrated with the screen showing other video, chat pod, and participant list info. Other live-action information takes a back seat to the screen share. The secretary can take notes off-line instead, but then the secretary is switching screens between the meeting and a text editing application. Features that are better in Zoom: * Telephone participation is integrated into the system at no additional charge. In Adobe Connect, the admin has to take some additional steps to connect a bridge to the teleconference system, and we pay per minute for use of the phone system. I have not been in a Zoom meeting to experience the phone connection quality. In Adobe Connect, there are times that the teleconference bridge temporarily drops and can take about a minute to re-connect the phone participants to the computer participants. * If your video camera isn't on, you can load a still-photo avatar to display to represent you, or as a default it will display just a block with your name. It's both a blessing and a curse, however. With few participants, it seems like a neat feature. If you have 50 participants, though... In Adobe Connect the area of the screen dedicated to video is only used for actual video feeds. In Zoom, the still photos share the same real-estate with the videos, so some of your real estate is taken up by photos which do not convey live info, and you have to scroll to see other live video feeds. Overall, I think Adobe Connect will still be my preferred option, but to be fair, I haven't had as much experience with Zoom yet. -Alicia On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 2, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Goldstein, Demarest, O'Donnell, Van Horn Motion: Amend Policy Manual Section 1.02.7 Electronic Meetings as follows: a) The term “electronic meeting” within these electronic meeting rules shall be construed to include teleconferences and videoconferences. b) The term “committee” within these electronic meeting rules shall be construed to include both the LNC (as the board of the Libertarian Party) as well as committees. c) All videoconferences will be conducted via the Adobe Connect (Citrix) service[DEL: , hereinafter referred to as Adobe Connect :DEL] or via Zoom ([4]zoom.us). These two services are hereinafter referred to as Electronic Meeting Provider(s). […] e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. […] h) Each participant must provide his own equipment and connectivity, including but not limited to any computer, internet access, web camera, microphone, earphones, or telephone. Members and alternates have the right to participate in an electronic meeting by telephone, however they should use a computer connection if feasible so as to be able to more fully use the [DEL: Adobe Connect :DEL] Electronic Meeting Provider features. The organization is not responsible for providing a central location for physical attendance of an electronic meeting. For face-to- face meetings, electronic participation is not allowed. i) Each participant must accurately identify himself by name when joining the meeting. Videoconference participants other than members or alternates of the committee must precede their sign-in name with “zz” (or the group administrator shall do so) so as to group them at the end of the alphabetical participant list. […] n) If the committee permits, participants other than members or alternates of the committee may observe videoconferences using [DEL: Adobe Connect :DEL] the Electronic Meeting Provider (and not by a toll-free number) with their web cameras off and their microphones muted. o) The LNC Secretary shall promulgate these rules to all members/alternates of each committee upon notice of their election or appointment. p) Arrangements for use of the Electronic Meeting Provides must be made through the LNC Secretary who may be required to be present to administer the meeting which might limit available days for use. -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 4. http://zoom.us/

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

Forwarding a couple more messages from this thread that got routed back to me instead of to the list... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I just had an online chat with Zoom support and confirmed that the per-host pricing means that we pay for each person who has a host login, and the login cannot be shared with other people. Same situation as with Adobe Connect. -Alicia On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > I'm not categorically against another option if something new has come > along that is better, but I don't think we have enough information to make > that decision yet. > > Yes, we had one rough experience with it for the Platform Committee, but > we've had other meetings with it that worked well. Part of the issue was > calling the meeting during the week when several were at work, or driving > home from work, and we had more phone participation than was optimal. > > When we picked Adobe Connect, we appointed a committee that evaluated more > than 10 systems using maybe 25-30 different criteria before we picked a > winner. We wanted to know if it had sufficient features to reasonably > support parliamentary procedure. We looked for features that prevented > admin abuse during the meeting. Etc. There were group tests to kick the > tires. It wasn't just someone saying, "Hey, I like this system!" > > Elizabeth, I know you wouldn't have reason to know this, but the cost we > pay for Adobe Connect is not the rack rate listed on the website. We went > up the chain a little bit to Citrix and got a flat $500/year/host for up to > 100 participants. When people participate by phone, we do pay a per-minute > rate for the phone, but it's not significant. > > Can the co-sponsors pin down for us exactly what the annual cost would be > for us? The link provided earlier shows the rates as being per-host, and > that sounds very much like the situation we have now, though it was > portrayed as allowing us to pass the login credentials from one person to > another. If that's true, what does per-host mean for Zoom? > > I'm going to need to kick the tires on Zoom before I could support the > motion. > > Even if I am ultimately impressed with the software, I would like to amend > the motion. I certainly wouldn't offer to people in section (i) that they > don't have to bother setting their name as directed because the admin can > just do it for them. Tell people to do it themselves, not expect an admin > to babysit them. We know some won't follow directions, but that's a pain > for the admin to have to monitor during a meeting. > > I also don't see the value of adding section (p) to the end. It seems > like it's written just to critique the Adobe Connect platform, and it > doesn't add something substantive to the rules for participating in the > meetings. > > -Alicia > > > > > On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> > wrote: > >> We have an electronic mail ballot. >> >> >> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 2, 2018 at 11:59:59pm >> Pacific time.* >> *Co-Sponsors:* Harlos, Goldstein, Demarest, O'Donnell, Van Horn >> >> *Motion:* Amend Policy Manual Section 1.02.7 Electronic Meetings as >> follows: >> >> a) The term “electronic meeting” within these electronic meeting rules >> shall be construed to include teleconferences and videoconferences. >> >> b) The term “committee” within these electronic meeting rules shall be >> construed to include both the LNC (as the board of the Libertarian Party) >> as well as committees. >> >> c) All videoconferences will be conducted via the Adobe Connect (Citrix) >> service, hereinafter referred to as Adobe Connect* or via Zoom (zoom.us >> <http://zoom.us>). These two services are hereinafter referred to as >> Electronic Meeting Provider(s)*. >> >> […] >> >> e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by >> emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time >> of the meeting, *meeting link including the identity of the Electronic >> Meeting Provider, *and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so >> called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 >> members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These >> time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's >> Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. >> >> […] >> >> h) Each participant must provide his own equipment and connectivity, >> including but not limited to any computer, internet access, web camera, >> microphone, earphones, or telephone. Members and alternates have the right >> to participate in an electronic meeting by telephone, however they should >> use a computer connection if feasible so as to be able to more fully use >> the Adobe Connect *Electronic Meeting Provider *features. The >> organization is not responsible for providing a central location for >> physical attendance of an electronic meeting. For face-to- face meetings, >> electronic participation is not allowed. >> >> i) Each participant must accurately identify himself by name when joining >> the meeting. Videoconference participants other than members or alternates >> of the committee must precede their sign-in name with “zz” *(or the >> group administrator shall do so) *so as to group them at the end of the >> alphabetical participant list. >> >> […] >> >> n) If the committee permits, participants other than members or >> alternates of the committee may observe videoconferences using Adobe >> Connect *the Electronic Meeting Provider *(and not by a toll-free >> number) with their web cameras off and their microphones muted. >> >> o) The LNC Secretary shall promulgate these rules to all >> members/alternates of each committee upon notice of their election or >> appointment. >> >> *p) Arrangements for use of the Electronic Meeting Provides must be made >> through the LNC Secretary who may be required to be present to administer >> the meeting which might limit available days for use.* >> >> >> >> >> -Alicia >> >> >> > Forwarding a couple more messages from this thread that got routed back to me instead of to the list... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:18 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-06: Add Zoom To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I just had an online chat with Zoom support and confirmed that the per-host pricing means that we pay for each person who has a host login, and the login cannot be shared with other people. Same situation as with Adobe Connect. -Alicia On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:54 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: I'm not categorically against another option if something new has come along that is better, but I don't think we have enough information to make that decision yet. Yes, we had one rough experience with it for the Platform Committee, but we've had other meetings with it that worked well. Part of the issue was calling the meeting during the week when several were at work, or driving home from work, and we had more phone participation than was optimal. When we picked Adobe Connect, we appointed a committee that evaluated more than 10 systems using maybe 25-30 different criteria before we picked a winner. We wanted to know if it had sufficient features to reasonably support parliamentary procedure. We looked for features that prevented admin abuse during the meeting. Etc. There were group tests to kick the tires. It wasn't just someone saying, "Hey, I like this system!" Elizabeth, I know you wouldn't have reason to know this, but the cost we pay for Adobe Connect is not the rack rate listed on the website. We went up the chain a little bit to Citrix and got a flat $500/year/host for up to 100 participants. When people participate by phone, we do pay a per-minute rate for the phone, but it's not significant. Can the co-sponsors pin down for us exactly what the annual cost would be for us? The link provided earlier shows the rates as being per-host, and that sounds very much like the situation we have now, though it was portrayed as allowing us to pass the login credentials from one person to another. If that's true, what does per-host mean for Zoom? I'm going to need to kick the tires on Zoom before I could support the motion. Even if I am ultimately impressed with the software, I would like to amend the motion. I certainly wouldn't offer to people in section (i) that they don't have to bother setting their name as directed because the admin can just do it for them. Tell people to do it themselves, not expect an admin to babysit them. We know some won't follow directions, but that's a pain for the admin to have to monitor during a meeting. I also don't see the value of adding section (p) to the end. It seems like it's written just to critique the Adobe Connect platform, and it doesn't add something substantive to the rules for participating in the meetings. -Alicia On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 9:34 PM, Alicia Mattson <[4]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 2, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Goldstein, Demarest, O'Donnell, Van Horn Motion: Amend Policy Manual Section 1.02.7 Electronic Meetings as follows: a) The term “electronic meeting” within these electronic meeting rules shall be construed to include teleconferences and videoconferences. b) The term “committee” within these electronic meeting rules shall be construed to include both the LNC (as the board of the Libertarian Party) as well as committees. c) All videoconferences will be conducted via the Adobe Connect (Citrix) service[DEL: , hereinafter referred to as Adobe Connect :DEL] or via Zoom ([5]zoom.us). These two services are hereinafter referred to as Electronic Meeting Provider(s). […] e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. […] h) Each participant must provide his own equipment and connectivity, including but not limited to any computer, internet access, web camera, microphone, earphones, or telephone. Members and alternates have the right to participate in an electronic meeting by telephone, however they should use a computer connection if feasible so as to be able to more fully use the [DEL: Adobe Connect :DEL] Electronic Meeting Provider features. The organization is not responsible for providing a central location for physical attendance of an electronic meeting. For face-to- face meetings, electronic participation is not allowed. i) Each participant must accurately identify himself by name when joining the meeting. Videoconference participants other than members or alternates of the committee must precede their sign-in name with “zz” (or the group administrator shall do so) so as to group them at the end of the alphabetical participant list. […] n) If the committee permits, participants other than members or alternates of the committee may observe videoconferences using [DEL: Adobe Connect :DEL] the Electronic Meeting Provider (and not by a toll-free number) with their web cameras off and their microphones muted. o) The LNC Secretary shall promulgate these rules to all members/alternates of each committee upon notice of their election or appointment. p) Arrangements for use of the Electronic Meeting Provides must be made through the LNC Secretary who may be required to be present to administer the meeting which might limit available days for use. -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 4. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 5. http://zoom.us/

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-09: New Award Vote
by Alicia Mattson 19 Jun '18

19 Jun '18

I sent this 7 days ago, but it got routed to my own email address instead of to the list... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-09: New Award Vote To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I vote yes. -Alicia On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > We have an electronic mail ballot. > > > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 21, 2018 at 11:59:59pm > Pacific time.* > *Co-Sponsors:* Mattson, Harlos, Hayes, O'Donnell, Katz, Goldstein > > *Motion:* to amend Policy Manual Section 2.02.5 (in part) as follows: > > "With a majority vote the committee may select recipients of the Thomas > Jefferson, Samuel Adams, *Benjamin Franklin, *Thomas Paine, and Patrick > Henry awards. While the committee has discretion as to the frequency of > such convention awards, it is hoped that at least one recipient will be > found worthy for each award at each regular convention." > > > -Alicia > > I sent this 7 days ago, but it got routed to my own email address instead of to the list... -Alicia ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-09: New Award Vote To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> I vote yes. -Alicia On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 21, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Mattson, Harlos, Hayes, O'Donnell, Katz, Goldstein Motion: to amend Policy Manual Section 2.02.5 (in part) as follows: "With a majority vote the committee may select recipients of the Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Patrick Henry awards. While the committee has discretion as to the frequency of such convention awards, it is hoped that at least one recipient will be found worthy for each award at each regular convention." -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org

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Fwd: Email Ballot 2018-08: Candidate Donations
by Alicia Mattson 18 Jun '18

18 Jun '18

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-08: Candidate Donations To: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: *Voting "aye":* Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, O'Donnell, Olsen, Van Horn *Voting "nay":* (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: > We have an electronic mail ballot. > > > *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 15, 2018 at 11:59:59pm > Pacific time.* > *Co-Sponsors:* Goldstein, Harlos, Hagan, O'Donnell, Demarest, Van Horn > > *Motion:* The LNC will provide $500 each to the campaigns of Craig > Bowden (U.S. Senate UT) and Lloyd Princeton (U.S. House of Representatives > NM) from the Candidate Support budget line. > > > -Alicia > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alicia Mattson <[1]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Date: Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Email Ballot 2018-08: Candidate Donations To: Alicia Mattson <[2]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below: Voting "aye": Bilyeu, Demarest, Goldstein, Hagan, Harlos, Hayes, Lark, Marsh, O'Donnell, Olsen, Van Horn Voting "nay": (none) With a final vote tally of 11-0, the motion PASSES. -Alicia On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 10:49 PM, Alicia Mattson <[3]alicia.mattson(a)lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 15, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Goldstein, Harlos, Hagan, O'Donnell, Demarest, Van Horn Motion: The LNC will provide $500 each to the campaigns of Craig Bowden (U.S. Senate UT) and Lloyd Princeton (U.S. House of Representatives NM) from the Candidate Support budget line. -Alicia References 1. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 2. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org 3. mailto:alicia.mattson@lp.org

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