October 2017 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

Re: [Lnc-business] LP of Ohio Contacts Batch 2
by Starchild 27 Oct '17

27 Oct '17

Hi Andy, Thanks for these leads, as well as those you sent us from Arkansas back in June. Great work! Sharing them with both national and the state affiliate, to better ensure they don't fall through the cracks, sounds like a sensible approach. I would caution that this form is probably only appropriate for situations like those in which you gathered these signatures (i.e. in a context where it's obvious the information is going to the LP), as the form itself doesn't mention the Libertarian Party, but simply reads, "EMAIL SIGNUP SHEET FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN MORE FREEDOM". I also notice the subject line of your email identifies these contacts as "Batch 2". Was there a "Batch 1"? If so, I haven't seen any such message. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee RealReform(a)earthlink.net (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On Oct 27, 2017, at 1:42 PM, petition guy wrote: > Hello fellow Libertarians. Below is a pdf with contact information for 85 people I encountered while gathering LP ballot access petition signatures in Ohio who said that they are interested in being on the Libertarian Party's contact list. I am forwarding this to both the national and state LP. If the LP national office staff lacks the time to enter new people who say that they are interested in the Libertarian Party into the party's database, then perhaps volunteers could be rounded up to do this. I'm putting the list out there for any Libertarian who wants to use it. > > > > If anyone is wondering what the origin of this contact list is, it was designed by Jake Witmer. Jake designed it back in 2008 from a petition form for Alabama that was designed by Paul Frankel (the Alabama Secretary of State's office has allowed people to design their own petition form, provided that it has all of the legally required information on it, and Paul designed a form that was more user friendly than the sample form put out by the Secretary of State's office). Bob Lynch and I gathered some contacts for the LP of Kentucky back in 2004 (we also gave the college contacts to a student who said that they were either forming, or trying to expand, a libertarian club at a university in Kentucky), but we used sheets of regular notebook paper. I think that the form designed by Jake Witmer looks better than using notebook paper. > > > I have heard that LP dues paying membership has been dropping a good bit from last year. > > The Libertarian Party's Paid Membership Numbers Take a Dive > > The Libertarian Party's Paid Membership Numbers Take a Dive > But registered voters, total donations to the Party remain strong even in the face of historically large loss of... > > > I first joined the Libertarian Party way back in 1996, and I recall the party growing from then until 2000-2001, when reached its highest peak ever in terms of dues paying membership. If you had asked me back then, I thought that the party was going to keep growing, and that by now, the LP would have 100,000 dues paying members. > > > Getting people to join an organization is a numbers game (just like asking people to sign petitions, or asking them to vote for a particular party or candidate or ballot issue). You've got to find out who the people are who agree with you, and then you've got to inspire them to join. The Libertarian Party's data base of small "l" libertarians, and libertarian leaners, ought to be as large as possible, because these people, along with the dues paying members of the LP, are the libertarian base in this country. If you can't get support from people who are already libertarian or libertarian leaning, how can you expect to win support from anyone else? How do you expect to get the party ahead if the party does not grow? Does anyone really want to be sitting here 20 years from now with a Libertarian Party that is still stuck in the 11,000-20,000 dues paying members zone, and has not really advanced that much, while government continues to get bigger and more corrupt than it is now? > > > > In liberty, > Andrew Jacobs > 702-785-4738 > > > > > <LP of Ohio 2017 Contacts Batch 2.pdf>

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Convention Oversight Committee Resignation
by Daniel Hayes 27 Oct '17

27 Oct '17

All, BetteRose Ryan has resigned from the Convention Oversight Committee. This was a planned resignation that we knew about from the start. She is in the process of moving back to Colorado to care for her elderly father and handle other matters that will be dominating her time and attention. We all are greatly appreciative to her for her experience in helping to get this iteration of the COC off on to a good start. She won the Thomas Jefferson award in 2016 for her leadership in the Libertarian Party. At this point all I can do is emphasize that it was an award well deserved and could not have gone to a better person. The COC will miss her immediate guidance but being the sort of leader she is, even though no longer on the committee, it is just an email or phone call away. As the newly named chair of the Convention Oversight Committee I will do my best to live up to the standard that Ms. Ryan has set. With the help of the rest of the COC, our staff, and other volunteers we will make NOLA 2018 our best convention yet. See y'all soon in NOLA.(Book your rooms for the December meeting and the House party the night before on December 8th) Daniel Hayes LNC Convention Oversight Committee Chair LNC At Large Member Sent from my iPhone

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Next Historical Committee Meeting 10/25
by Caryn Ann Harlos 25 Oct '17

25 Oct '17

LPHPC Meeting Wed, Oct 25, 2017 4:00PM Mountain/6:00PM Eastern Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/476962373 <https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/476962373> You can also dial in using your phone. United States: +1 (571) 317-3112 Access Code: 476-962-373 First GoToMeeting? Let's do a quick system check: https://link.gotomeeting.com/system-check -- *In Liberty,* *Caryn Ann Harlos* Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles: *We defend your rights* *And oppose the use of force* *Taxation is theft*

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Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
by Joshua Katz 24 Oct '17

24 Oct '17

The original email in this thread was from Mr. Stanton (whom I've never met). He accused a member of the LPF leadership, who is also a Libertarian candidate (and whom I have also never met) of being a white supremacist leader, and of making threats towards himself and others. I have no way of knowing if these accusations are true, but they most certainly are disturbing if true - and the sorts of things I would expect the affiliate to react to. If they are true and the affiliate does not react, I would expect this board to take action. Instead, the responses I've seen seem to combine shrugs with exhortations that Mr. Stanton should deal with it himself, and some variation on "hey, we're all on the same team, work together." Again, I do not know if the accusations are true, but if they are, then we are not, in fact, all on the same team. I am not on the same team as any white supremacist, or anyone who thinks the use of threats and intimidation, together with violent white supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric, are acceptable ways of conducting business. Such a pre-modern retreat to tribalism, to prejudice, to anti-individualism, is the single largest threat to human freedom. It is the condition in which humans lived for quite some time, before civilization made real freedom possible. No party that stands for freedom against all threats can tolerate those in its midst who would hold those positions, let alone allowing those who advocate such positions to hold leadership positions. This cannot be a party that tolerates such things. At the moment, I have no actual facts. Furthermore, there is little we can do - but little is not the same as nothing. Let's get the facts. The response to such a statement cannot be "well, you figure it out." That is not leadership. Nor should the response be immediate panic, or a rush to judgment. I would think the accusations are of such a nature, though, that we'd want to know what is going on. Joshua A. Katz At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stanton <region7(a)lpf.org> wrote: > Marcos, > > Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to threats > targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white supremacist leader, > LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for Florida House, I hereby > resign from all positions and membership within the Libertarian Party of > Florida, as I can no longer in good faith continue to ask other > Libertarians to support a party which allows its leaders to threaten and > intimidate members while repeating violent white supremacist and > anti-semitic rhetoric. > > Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida. > > Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the > LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this > address. > > In liberty, > Paul Stanton > > Follow me on Facebook: fb.com/Stanton4Liberty >

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Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
by David Demarest 23 Oct '17

23 Oct '17

Okay, if a motion is requested and offered to investigate the facts in the Florida case, I will support it. Alleged bigotry violations of the SoP are far more serious than alleged violations of LP copyrights. In the meantime I will continue to express my personal disgust with any form of bigotry and will advocate and practice economic and social ostracism to deal with any intolerant behavior, violent or non-violent, that I am aware of. Thoughts? ~David Pratt Demarest On Oct 23, 2017 10:07 PM, "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty(a)gmail.com> wrote: >If an affiliate was proven to be corrupt with white nationalism, that may indeed be appropriate. And I would like to know if that is the case. I can't decide what action I will advocate without knowing. Cancers sometimes get amputated, but you don't push for amputation without diagnosing the cancer and seeing if it can be fought off without intervention. I'm not prepared to make any motion on the basis of an accusation, but when the accusation is this serious, I'd like to know what's behind it. If there's no problem, fine. If there is a problem but the affiliate is working on it, fine. If the facts are something else, then I will consider if I'll make the appropriate motion. Joshua A. Katz On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Please point out where I advocated silence. > > I specifically stated that we should clearly and boldly state our > positions. That is not silence. > > But we have no other control over Florida than that or to disaffiliate. > That is within the bounds of the voluntary association we signed up for. > Our personal disgust does not give us authority to go beyond our Bylaws. > > We shall not interfere with the autonomy of an affiliate except as > provided by those Bylaws which makes no provision for dictating their > leadership or their message other than to insist it comport with the > Statement of Principles or face disaffiliation. Both parties in this > marriage are free to divorce. If an affiliate was proven to be corrupt > with white nationalism, that may indeed be appropriate. > > -Caryn Ann > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:50 PM Erin Adams <erinadams@thefeldmanfoundatio > n.org> wrote: > >> There are a lot of if's here, agreed. If this can be proven , if the >> affiliate allows and or supports this........ If those things are true, and >> we stay silent, that makes us complicit. That is not an action I will >> voluntary associate with. Complicit support of bigotry isnt a path Ill join >> anyone on. Not today, not ever. Thats just me. >> >> In Liberty, >> Erin Adams >> Director of Fundraising and Events >> The Feldman Foundation >> (405) 780-2791 >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos < >> carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I don't think the conversation is about our personal disgust. I doubt >>> there is anyone here who doesn't feel the same. I have actually argued >>> that LP Libertarianism is actually "thick" on that score - we reprove all >>> bigotry whether it involves force or not. >>> >>> This isn't about our personal disgust. It is about what the LNC can and >>> should do as the LNC. >>> >>> In my personal capacity I express such disgust routinely. >>> >>> But I'm not going down the road of LNC policing. Oregon was the >>> motivation for me to go down this path of national leadership. I ran on a >>> promise of not expanding LNC control over affiliates. >>> >>> We can personally support Paul. But that was sent to us as an LNC body >>> and I have NO mandate from Region 1 to interfere in Florida. And none of >>> the Region 1 states want the LNC in their business either. >>> >>> We can and should clearly and forcefully state our position. And if >>> someone has the desire to move to disaffiliate- do so. But us talking >>> about what "else" we can do as the LNC above our role is not appropriate. >>> >>> We can encourage our state affiliates to take a stand. CO loves to put >>> out resolutions- they might here. >>> >>> We can put out statements, But our ONLY disciplinary route with Florida >>> is disaffiliation. >>> >>> -Caryn Ann >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM David Demarest < >>> dpdemarest(a)centurylink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Caryn Ann, thank you for sharing your disgust with bigotry. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Economic and social ostracism responses to bigotry are appropriate from >>>> all of us, both as individual Libertarians and as members of Libertarian >>>> institutions. It may be a Florida problem but that will not stop me as a >>>> Nebraskan from expressing my disgust with anything related to >>>> supremacy-driven behavior. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~David Pratt >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom Un-Convention* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ~David Pratt Demarest >>>> >>>> Roads to Freedom Foundation, Founder >>>> >>>> LNC Region 6 Representative (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI) >>>> >>>> LSLA Vice-Chair >>>> >>>> LPNE State Central Committee, Secretary >>>> >>>> LPRC Board Member, Nebraska State Coordinator >>>> >>>> David.Demarest(a)LP.org >>>> >>>> Secretary(a)LPNE.org >>>> >>>> DPDemarest(a)centurylink.net >>>> >>>> DPrattDemarest(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> Cell: 402-981-6469 <(402)%20981-6469> >>>> >>>> Home: 402-493-0873 <(402)%20493-0873> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 23, 2017 9:08 PM >>>> *To:* lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> *Cc:* lnc-business <lnc-business(a)lp.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Our only recourse is disaffiliation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And obviously I think such claims if true to be a gross violation of >>>> the SoP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I also think promoting any continuation of state force is and we can >>>> find examples of that if we wish to being promoted within state parties. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not eager to go down that road. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Which is the same answer I gave people who wanted us to "do something" >>>> about our last ticket. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I find white nationalism to be completely unacceptable and cheered at >>>> Wes' invitation for them to leave. Note it did not contain any threat to >>>> throw them out or discipline them because *that is not our role* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Every action above the bounds starts with good intentions. Good >>>> intentions gave us the welfare state. I do not want nor are we entitled to >>>> be, consolidating power in the LNC no matter what "good" thing might come >>>> of one action. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The national party consistently putting out consistent principles >>>> foundational libertarianism and eschewing both a drift to the right and to >>>> the left is what we can and should do. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The white nationalists hate me for a reason - I think ethnomasochist is >>>> their preferred term for me- but that does not justify us patenting an >>>> affiliate. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 7:59 PM Erin Adams < >>>> erinadams(a)thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> IF there is "merit" to these claims, would not article 5 section 4 of >>>> the bylaws come into question? Are we REALLY saying that if this is true, >>>> promoting an agenda of hate or allowing the promotion of such is in line >>>> with the Statement of Principles or the Bylaws? I just dont see it that way >>>> >>>> >>>> In Liberty, >>>> Erin Adams >>>> Director of Fundraising and Events >>>> >>>> The Feldman Foundation >>>> (405) 780-2791 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos < >>>> carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh yes because the LNC interfering in the autonomy of an affiliate >>>> worked out SO WELL in the past. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not eager to repeat Oregon. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And Florida has a representative. He was elected to deal with the >>>> concerns of that region and responded. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 6:45 PM Erin Adams < >>>> erinadams(a)thefeldmanfoundation.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> I tend to agree with Mr. Katz on this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2017 7:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <joshua.katz(a)lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> The original email in this thread was from Mr. Stanton (whom I've never >>>> met). He accused a member of the LPF leadership, who is also a Libertarian >>>> candidate (and whom I have also never met) of being a white supremacist >>>> leader, and of making threats towards himself and others. I have no way of >>>> knowing if these accusations are true, but they most certainly are >>>> disturbing if true - and the sorts of things I would expect the affiliate >>>> to react to. If they are true and the affiliate does not react, I would >>>> expect this board to take action. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Instead, the responses I've seen seem to combine shrugs with >>>> exhortations that Mr. Stanton should deal with it himself, and some >>>> variation on "hey, we're all on the same team, work together." Again, I do >>>> not know if the accusations are true, but if they are, then we are not, in >>>> fact, all on the same team. I am not on the same team as any white >>>> supremacist, or anyone who thinks the use of threats and intimidation, >>>> together with violent white supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric, are >>>> acceptable ways of conducting business. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Such a pre-modern retreat to tribalism, to prejudice, to >>>> anti-individualism, is the single largest threat to human freedom. It is >>>> the condition in which humans lived for quite some time, before >>>> civilization made real freedom possible. No party that stands for freedom >>>> against all threats can tolerate those in its midst who would hold those >>>> positions, let alone allowing those who advocate such positions to hold >>>> leadership positions. This cannot be a party that tolerates such things. >>>> At the moment, I have no actual facts. Furthermore, there is little we can >>>> do - but little is not the same as nothing. Let's get the facts. The >>>> response to such a statement cannot be "well, you figure it out." That is >>>> not leadership. Nor should the response be immediate panic, or a rush to >>>> judgment. I would think the accusations are of such a nature, though, that >>>> we'd want to know what is going on. >>>> >>>> >>>> Joshua A. Katz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At-Large Representative, >>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Paul Stanton <region7(a)lpf.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Marcos, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to >>>> threats targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white supremacist >>>> leader, LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for Florida House, I >>>> hereby resign from all positions and membership within the Libertarian >>>> Party of Florida, as I can no longer in good faith continue to ask other >>>> Libertarians to support a party which allows its leaders to threaten and >>>> intimidate members while repeating violent white supremacist and >>>> anti-semitic rhetoric. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the >>>> LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this >>>> address. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In liberty, >>>> *Paul Stanton* >>>> >>>> >>>> Follow me on Facebook: fb.com/Stanton4Liberty >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *In Liberty,* >>>> >>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos* >>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. >>>> Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> >>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org> >>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>> >>>> *We defend your rights* >>>> >>>> *And oppose the use of force* >>>> >>>> *Taxation is theft* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *In Liberty,* >>>> >>>> *Caryn Ann Harlos* >>>> >>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, >>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. >>>> Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> >>>> >>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org> >>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>> >>>> *We defend your rights* >>>> >>>> *And oppose the use of force* >>>> >>>> *Taxation is theft* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>> -- >>> *In Liberty,* >>> *Caryn Ann Harlos* >>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, >>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. >>> Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> >>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado >>> <http://www.lpcolorado.org> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> *We defend your rights* >>> *And oppose the use of force* >>> *Taxation is theft* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lnc-business mailing list >>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lnc-business mailing list >> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >> > -- > *In Liberty,* > *Caryn Ann Harlos* > Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, > Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. > Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> > Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado > <http://www.lpcolorado.org> > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > *We defend your rights* > *And oppose the use of force* > *Taxation is theft* > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org > > _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Re: [Lnc-business] Resignation From LPF
by Starchild 23 Oct '17

23 Oct '17

I'm not familiar with the alleged threats, but resigning from the Florida LP does seem like an extreme step, Paul. If you believe excessive tolerance of white supremacists is a problem in the Florida LP, it sounds like your state party could use your counterbalancing voice in its leadership, as you provided when you ran against one such member in the U.S. Senate primary and handily prevailed. But if you do not have the stomach for it, I hope you find a better fit in one of the other state affiliate parties (you can generally affiliate with a different state party without living in that state). Steven makes a good point about the need to stay focused, in the face of distractions like banality and political turbulence, on our goal of minimizing government and maximizing freedom. Regarding your signature line Steven, when we're talking about political power let us also remember, Libertatem tueri posse infidelium "Power cannot be trusted to defend freedom." And more classically, Non venimus laudare Caesare, sed ad eum. "We come not to praise Caeser, but to bury him." Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee RealReform(a)earthlink.net (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On Oct 23, 2017, at 6:19 AM, <region14(a)lpf.org> wrote: > Paul, > > I think that you have seriously squandered your potential during your stint as regional representative. To the EC this ought to be a lesson that the more time we spend fighting each other the less time we spend fighting our common enemy, the State and its tyranny. To be effective we have to stick to our objective as a centrifugal force that keeps the collective momentum together. Nothing good comes fast nor easy in politics, to succeed in fighting for liberty requires absolute dedication to our goals during the banal and turbulent times that wish to distract us. I say that with a great sense of urgency. Results are the metric for success, and you don't get that by winning personal squabbles and being carried away with dramaticism. > > In Liberty, > > Steven Nekhaila > Region 14 Representative > Libertarian Party of Florida > > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt > "Those without power cannot defend freedom" > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Resignation From LPF > From: "Paul Stanton" <region7(a)lpf.org> > Date: Sun, October 22, 2017 6:54 pm > To: ec(a)lpf.org > Cc: chair(a)lp.org, vicechar(a)lp.org, secretary(a)lp.org, treasurer(a)lp.org, > william.redpath(a)lp.org, daniel.hayes(a)lp.org, starchild(a)lp.org, > sam.goldstein(a)lp.org, joshua.katz(a)lp.org, caryn.ann.harlos(a)lp.org, > steven.nielson(a)lp.org, ed.marsh(a)lp.org, steven.nekhaila(a)lp.org, > brett.bittner(a)lp.org, ken.moellman(a)lp.org, jeffrey.hewitt(a)lp.org, > aaron.starr(a)lp.org, james.lark(a)lp.org, trent.some(a)lp.org, > david.demarest(a)lp.org, sean.otoole(a)lp.org, whitney.bilyeu(a)lp.org, > erin.adams(a)lp.org, patrick.mcknight(a)lp.org, larry.sharpe(a)lp.org, > wes.benedict(a)lp.org > > Marcos, > > Due to the LPF Executive Committee's recent refusal to respond to threats targeting myself and others from Ryan Ramsey, a white supremacist leader, LPF county chair, LPF EC member, and candidate for Florida House, I hereby resign from all positions and membership within the Libertarian Party of Florida, as I can no longer in good faith continue to ask other Libertarians to support a party which allows its leaders to threaten and intimidate members while repeating violent white supremacist and anti-semitic rhetoric. > > Libertarians deserve better than the Libertarian Party of Florida. > > Please remove me from any mailing or membership lists and add me to the LPF's do not call list. I will not be responding to any email sent to this address. > > In liberty, > Paul Stanton > > Follow me on Facebook: fb.com/Stanton4Liberty

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Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution
by goldsteinatlarge 22 Oct '17

22 Oct '17

You cant amenda motion already beong voted on. Sam Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: David Demarest <dprattdemarest(a)gmail.com> Date: 10/22/17 1:29 PM (GMT-05:00) To: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org, David Demarest <dpdemarest(a)centurylink.net>, David Demarest <dprattdemarest(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-19 : Yemen Resolution Thank you, Caryn Ann. Who would like to clarify our position in an amendment? We have a choice. We can wallow in the literally infinite list of things that we are not going to do and the even longer list of bureaucratic reasons for not doing them. Conversely, we focus on and fine tune realistic big picture actions that further Libertarian aspirations beyond the sub-goal of top-down electoral success for regulatory relief, namely freedom via removal of the yolk of authoritarianism, one incremental step at a time. We do not have time to be mesmerized and paralyzed by focusing on what we are not going to do. The amazingly talented LNC members are up to the challenge of more productive strategies and initiatives by individually taking the bull by the horns and focusing on getting stuff done. On Oct 22, 2017 11:33 AM, "David Demarest" <dprattdemarest(a)gmail.com> wrote: I agree with with Caryn Ann's call for LNC educational clarity on our motion. To Erin's point, I suggest we amend the motion to spell out where we agree and disagree with the Yemen troop withdrawal resolution. This is an excellent educational opportunity that will allow the LNC to shine. Thoughts? On Oct 22, 2017 11:20 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: A yes vote will not. We don't have the influence. And giving tacit support to the abominable policy that put us there to begin with is a net educational loss. -Caryn Ann On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:16 AM David Demarest <dprattdemarest(a)gmail.com> wrote: Yes, Joshua is correct. A Yes vote MAY not decrease the American causalities in Yemen. A well-intended No vote, however, DEFINITELY will not reduce American deaths. A Yes vote will demonstrate to the broader audience that the LNC has it's priorities straight on reducing useless American deaths and make our inspirational deliberations more relevant to American voters and speed up the process Thoughts? On Oct 22, 2017 9:41 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken(a)moellman.com> wrote: On the whole, I think it's a net good. Therefore, I vote Aye. On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Demarest <dprattdemarest(a)gmail.com> wrote: I vote Yes on the Yemen motion. I agree with wise use of the bully pulpit. Accordingly, I am voting in favor of the Yemen resolution just as I would vote Yes on a medicinal marijuana motion even though it did not go for the whole drug war repeal enchilada. Why throw out the baby with the bath water? If the LNC seriously intends to help make the Libertarian movement a success, we need to put more emphasis on deciding what we are going to accomplish rather than finding reasons for voting No. A No vote on this motion is preaching to the choir. A Yes vote is a clear stand in favor of reducing our military presence in Yemen and reducing useless American soldier causalities as we get a start on bringing them home. A No vote on this motion is NOT going to reduce the deaths of American soldiers. Thought? ~David Pratt Demarest On Oct 22, 2017 8:01 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos(a)gmail.com> wrote: I vote no partially for the same reasons as Sam. And add, that with rare exception, I oppose us putting out resolutions that do not reference clear libertarian ideological justifications in order to further education on our views. I think a statement or press release from the chair could address this in an libertarian-focused manner. We need to use our bully pulpit wisely. -Caryn Ann On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:10 AM Sam Goldstein <goldsteinatlarge(a)gmail.com> wrote: I vote No on this motion. I also strongly encourage other LNC members to vote no. The resolution clearly allow the Federal government to use military force in another country in violation of both our party Platformand the NAP. Sam GoldsteinLibertarian National CommitteeMember at Large8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101Indianapolis IN 46260317-850-0726 Phone317-582-1773 Fax On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Patrick McKnight <patrick.joseph.mcknight(a)gmail.com> wrote: I vote yes. Thanks,Patrick McKnightRegion 8 Rep On Oct 22, 2017 2:42 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson(a)gmail.com> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Trick or Treat!! Co-Sponsor: Sarwark Motion: That the LNC adopt the following resolution: --------------------Resolution Text-------------------- A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent Resolution 81 Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized hostilities in the Republic of Yemen. Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS. (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with Congress and finds the following: (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under article I, section 8, of the Constitution. (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen. (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab Emirates airstrikes. (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports on Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict. (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed Forces have been introduced. Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen: (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been enacted. -----------------End of Resolution Text----------------- -Alicia _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosRegion 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of ColoradoChair, LP Historical Preservation Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosRegion 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.orgCommunications Director, Libertarian Party of ColoradoChair, LP Historical Preservation Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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2006 Convention Minutes
by Caryn Ann Harlos 22 Oct '17

22 Oct '17

Why are they still in draft on our site? https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/lpnatconv2006.pdf -- *In Liberty,* *Caryn Ann Harlos* Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles: *We defend your rights* *And oppose the use of force* *Taxation is theft*

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Platform tokens
by Caryn Ann Harlos 22 Oct '17

22 Oct '17

Alicia (or anyone who may have this from the past) - do we retain those? The information I am looking for specifically is how many people cast more than one token on any plank. -- *In Liberty,* *Caryn Ann Harlos* Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado <http://www.lpcolorado.org> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee A haiku to the Statement of Principles: *We defend your rights* *And oppose the use of force* *Taxation is theft*

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Fwd: LNC Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent Resolution 81
by Nicholas Sarwark 21 Oct '17

21 Oct '17

Dear All, I will sponsor a mail ballot on this resolution due to the time-sensitive nature of the Congressional vote occurring on November 2, 2017. Yours in liberty, Nick ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jared Labell <jared(a)libertarianinstitute.org> Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 12:03 AM Subject: LNC Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent Resolution 81 To: chair(a)lp.org, vicechair(a)lp.org, treasurer(a)lp.org, secretary(a)lp.org, william.redpath(a)lp.prg, sam.goldstein(a)lp.org, starchild(a)lp.org, daniel.hayes(a)lp.org, joshua.katz(a)lp.org, caryn.ann.harlos(a)lp.org, steven.nielson(a)lp.org, ed.marsh(a)lp.org, steven.nekhaila(a)lp.org, brett.bittner(a)lp.org, ken.moellman(a)lp.org, jeffrey.hewitt(a)lp.org, aaron.starr(a)lp.org, james.lark(a)lp.org, trent.somes(a)lp.org, david.demarest(a)lp.org, sean.otoole(a)lp.org, whitney.bilyeu(a)lp.org, erin.adams(a)lp.org, patrick.mcknight(a)lp.org, larry.sharpe(a)lp.org Attached and reproduced below is a request to the LNC to adopt a resolution to publicly support House Concurrent Resolution 81 and call for the end of U.S. involvement in the war in Yemen. Thank you, Jared Labell Executive Director The Libertarian Institute libertarianinstitute.org abolitionist. 773-766-4947 cell 312-257-8525 office Peace and free markets. Against the State, its wars, and its taxes. By request of Jared Labell, member of the Libertarian Party, executive director of the Libertarian Institute and founder of Dissident Operations, to the Libertarian National Committee (LNC): Please immediately consider the following resolution regarding U.S. foreign policy. The language mirrors that of House Concurrent Resolution 81, which would end U.S. involvement in the Saudi-led war in Yemen. This bipartisan legislation currently has 30 cosponsors, led by Reps. Ro Khanna [D-CA-17], Thomas Massie [R-KY-4], Mark Pocan [D-WI-2], and Walter B. Jones, Jr. [R-NC-3]. H.Con.Res. 81 will receive a vote in the House on Thursday, November 2, 2017. The LNC should therefore approve this resolution immediately, in accordance with the Libertarian Party Platform, as adopted by convention in May 2016: Section 3.3 International Affairs American foreign policy should seek an America at peace with the world. Our foreign policy should emphasize defense against attack from abroad and enhance the likelihood of peace by avoiding foreign entanglements. We would end the current U.S. government policy of foreign intervention, including military and economic aid. We recognize the right of all people to resist tyranny and defend themselves and their rights. We condemn the use of force, and especially the use of terrorism, against the innocent, regardless of whether such acts are committed by governments or by political or revolutionary groups. By approving this resolution, the LNC would encourage Libertarian Party members to take the lead in this transpartisan effort to end the humanitarian catastrophe supported by U.S. Armed Forces in Yemen. The Libertarian Party has an opportunity to live up to our stated principles and save lives by working with a broad coalition to insist that the House pass H.Con.Res. 81 on Thursday, November 2, 2017 and end the war in Yemen. I urge the LNC to approve the following resolution and support the efforts of Libertarian Party members to end U.S. involvement in the war in Yemen. Thank you, Jared Labell Executive Director The Libertarian Institute jared(a)libertarianinstitute.org 773-766-4947 cell 312-257-8525 office A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent Resolution 81 Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized hostilities in the Republic of Yemen. Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES IN THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS. (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with Congress and finds the following: (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under article I, section 8, of the Constitution. (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen. (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab Emirates airstrikes. (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports on Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United States to pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization for the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict. (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed Forces have been introduced. Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen: (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been enacted.

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