August 2014 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

FW: Glenn Beck TV Interview on August 12th (Tuesday)
by Norm Olsen 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Sorry for the delay in forwarding this. Perhaps y'all were on the undisclosed distribution list. Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region I Libertarian National Committee 7931 S Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, Colorado 80122-2710 303-263-4995 Norman.Olsen(a)lp.org "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Gandhi From: Lily Williams [mailto:lily4hd44@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 1:04 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: Glenn Beck TV Interview on August 12th (Tuesday) Hello Friends and Supporters, Here is the exciting news: I was invited by Glenn Beck Blaze TV to have a interview on Tuesday August 12th. His producer just booked my trip to Dallas on Monday. I will be in Glenn's studio in Tuesday morning for the interview. If you have his TV program, please watch me at 3pm and 6pm Mountain time on Tuesday (12th). Or you can watch later on line. Glenn found my story through Freedom Works. He thought my voice needs to be heard by Americans. I will be back in time for my first fundraiser dinner on the 13th at 6:30pm. Look forward to seeing you there. Best regards, Lily -- Lily Tang Williams Candidate for Colorado House District 44 Cell: (303) 217-0265 Fax: (720) 842-0430 E-mail: lily4hd44(a)earthlink.net website: www.lily4liberty.com Facebook: Lily4Liberty

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Re: [Lnc-business] Wise fortune cookie
by SAM8074＠aol.com 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Ah, but did you add the mandatory words "in bed" to the end of your fortune? Sam In a message dated 8/11/2014 10:19:52 A.M. US Eastern Daylight Time, scott73(a)earthlink.net writes: Last night I had Chinese food. As you all know, fortune cookies usually yield advice such as: Clean your plate A long lost friend will come calling However – the fortune from my fortune cookie last night is extremely relevant to my work on the LNC: If you have no critics you’ll likely have no success Scott Lieberman _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org

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Wise fortune cookie
by Scott L. 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Last night I had Chinese food. As you all know, fortune cookies usually yield advice such as: Clean your plate A long lost friend will come calling However - the fortune from my fortune cookie last night is extremely relevant to my work on the LNC: If you have no critics you'll likely have no success Scott Lieberman

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Email Ballot 2014-12: December LNC Session
by Alicia Mattson 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

We have an electronic mail ballot. *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 9, 2014 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Nick Sarwark *Motion:* Schedule an LNC session for the weekend of December 13-14, 2014 in the New Orleans, LA metropolitan area. Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary

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Email Ballot 2014-11: Lark as an International Representative
by Alicia Mattson 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

We have an electronic mail ballot. *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by August 9, 2014 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Co-Sponsors:* Norm Olsen, Alicia Mattson, Dan Wiener, Vicki Kirkland *Motion:* The Libertarian National Committee hereby appoints Dr. James Lark to serve as an International Representative per Section 2.09.3 of the policy manual. Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary

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Lark for Intl Rep LNC motion
by William Redpath 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

I vote "Yes." Bill Redpath

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approved minutes from 7/24/14 EC meeting
by Alicia Mattson 11 Aug '14

11 Aug '14

Attached are the now-approved minutes from the Executive Committee teleconference meeting on 7/24/14. Eric/Robert, please post these to the website when you get a chance to do so. Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary

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Fwd: Re: [Lnc-votes] Why are there two Green Parties?
by Joshua Katz 10 Aug '14

10 Aug '14

Here is Paulies reply to my previous email. Dues exist in the actual serious party, but are irrelevant. I find this rather pointless, since we're the more successful party, and in any case need not copy them, but, again, there it is. Will advocates of a floor fee who argue from Green practice also advocate to not require dues to hold party office or run for President? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <travellingcircus(a)gmail.com> Date: Aug 10, 2014 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Why are there two Green Parties? To: "Joshua Katz" <planning4liberty(a)gmail.com> Cc: That is correct, and yes. Thx, -p On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, so both charge dues, the serious large one had a floor fee, but dues > are irrelevant in the large one? Thanks for clarifying. May I forward your > email? > On Aug 10, 2014 1:18 PM, <travellingcircus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The small G/GPUSA faction relies primarily on dues. >> >> Scott is pointing out that the larger Green Party also now charges >> "dues". However, as you correctly pointed out they don't make a big deal >> out of those, it's just a fundraising tactic (and from what I understand >> not a very successful one, nor one they have been pushing much). It doesn't >> mean anything as far as participation in conventions, national party >> leadership or much of anything at all. >> >> The G/GPUSA statement about dues was probably written before the larger >> Green Party had any "dues" at all...I believe the national Green Party >> "dues" are a more recent invention (and one that has largely fallen by the >> wayside since they tried to institute it). >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 11:11 AM, <lnc-votes(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >>> Well, the one that charges dues, according to past posts, is the small >>> one less interested in elections, so that would mean the one that is more >>> serious as a party charges neither dues nor a floor fee? >>> >>> The description of the LP factions on that website is a bit odd. >>> >>> Joshua Katz >>> On Aug 10, 2014 1:06 PM, "Scott L." <scott73(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Green Party organization that charges dues is the same one that has >>>> a mandatory Registration Fee for their Conventions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I had to triple check that sentence to make sure I got it correct. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Scott Lieberman >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> So one charges dues, and one has floor fees. Interesting. >>>> >>>> JK >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Those of you that follow the Green Party already know about this. >>>> >>>> I had a vague idea that there were a few state Green Parties that were >>>> not part of the National Green Party. But - I had no idea how deep that >>>> schism was until I read this web page: >>>> >>>> https://www.greenparty.org/why.php >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I think LNC members should read that web page, since it shows what the >>>> Libertarian Party can turn into if we can’t decide what we want to be when >>>> we grow up. >>>> >>>> Scott Lieberman >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Lnc-business mailing list >>>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lnc-business mailing list >>> Lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Lnc-votes mailing list >>> Lnc-votes(a)hq.lp.org >>> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-votes_hq.lp.org >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lncvotes" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lncvotes+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>

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FW: why are there two Green Parties?
by Scott L. 10 Aug '14

10 Aug '14

Forwarded at the request of Paul Frankel. Scott Lieberman _____ _____ From: travellingcircus(a)gmail.com [mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:33 AM To: Scott L. Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Why are there two Green Parties? Their website makes them out to be bigger than they are. Here is what http://politics1.com/parties.htm has to say about them (I emphasized the part about them having chapters only in three cities): <http://www.greenparty.org/> THE GREENS/GREEN PARTY USA (G/GPUSA) - When people talk about "the Green Party" in the US, they are likely NOT talking about this entity. The G/GPUSA is the older, very much smaller, and more stridently leftist of the two Green parties. While the GPUSA also nominated Nader for President back in 2000, Nader rejected the Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet. The Greens (1980s)G/GPUSA nomination (while embracing the other Green party, listed above). Prominent Nader campaign strategist Jim Hightower described the two Green factions as follows in 2001: "There are two Green party organizations -- the [Green Party of the US] whose nomination Ralph accepted and the much smaller one [G/GPUSA] ... on the fringes ... [with] all sorts of damned-near-communistic ideas." Some in the G/GPUSA protested that Hightower's comments were a bit unfair -- but read the G/GPUSA 2000 Platform <http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.html> (which remains the current G/GPUSA platform) and decide for yourself. The G/GPUSA largely emphasizes direct action tactics over traditional electoral politics. A majorty of the G/GPUSA delegates and large number of party activists quit the group and bolted to the larger Green Party of the US in 2001 (forming an informal leftist caucus within the Green Party). The small splinter group remaining within the G/GPUSA are more dogmatically Marxist. The G/GPUSA maintain formal local affiliates <http://www.greenparty.org/structure.php> only Chicago, St. Louis and Philadelphia. The G/GPUSA has fielded a few state and federal candidates over the years -- often running them in Green primaries against candidates affiliated with the larger Green Party of the US. Related G/GPUSA links include Synthesis/Regeneration <http://greens.org/s-r/> (party magazine), and Green Politics <http://www.greenparty.org/newsletter/> (quarterly e-newspaper). $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AND @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ From: travellingcircus(a)gmail.com [mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 9:29 AM To: Scott L. Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Why are there two Green Parties? Please share what I actually sent you with LNC. Calling G/GPUSA a national party is a bit of a stretch. The Nader/Cobb rift in 2004 was IMO a much more significant split in the Green Party than the G/GPUSA several years earlier. paulie

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Re: [Lnc-business] Why are there two Green Parties?
by Scott L. 10 Aug '14

10 Aug '14

Paul Frankel sent a private reply to me about my Green Party analogy that sent me to Wikipedia, where I found the following. This is the LP of Oregon, writ large. GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greens/Green_Party_USA "The source of the rift between the two national Green parties is a matter of contentious debate. Some point to differences of political philosophy or views on the proper structure of the party or attitudes toward elections, while others suggest it was more about personality conflicts, turf struggles, and poor communication leading to concerns about financial and political accountability, or perhaps the 1991 name grab or the inaccurate G/GPUSA FEC filing in 1995. It is important to note that the heated debates and the fighting that was waged for several years at the national level (and among Greens within a few states, such as New York <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York> , Missouri <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri> , California <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California> and New <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey> Jersey) seemed largely irrelevant to the vast majority of grassroots Greens, who preferred to devote their energies to local organizing." GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Scott Lieberman

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