[Lpk-execomm] MOTION Motion to call D6 organizing convention

Thu Aug 1 14:12:00 EDT 2019

That's a majority. Are we calling this done, Chris?  The notice has to 
go out TODAY to meet the 30 day requirement.

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Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
4th District Chair
State Party IT Director
Libertarian Party of Kentucky

On 2019-07-31 22:06, Vice Chairman Bryan Short via Lpk-execomm wrote:
> Aye
> 
> Live Free & Carry On,
> Bryan S. Short, Vice Chair
> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
> 
>> On Jul 31, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Cristi Kendrick via Lpk-execomm 
>> <lpk-execomm at lists.lpky.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Aye
>> 
>>> On 7/31/19 7:05 PM, Chris Wiest via Lpk-execomm wrote:
>>> We do not have a majority yet.  There are currently five votes in 
>>> favor.
>>> 
>>> Still need one of the following: the Vice Chair, Secretary, 
>>> Treasurer, or one of the two at large votes to be made.
>>> 
>>> We need one more vote....
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 31, 2019, at 6:38 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We're distracting from the vote... But I think we have a majority at 
>>>> this point anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> The reason why RONR doesn't have electronic meetings at all is 
>>>> because it's always dicey. Part of parliamentary procedure is to 
>>>> ensure that all voices are heard, points are deliberated, and then a 
>>>> vote happens.  I've talked to one of the board of directors of RONR 
>>>> about this very subject, and that's the reason he gave as to why 
>>>> they still forbid it in RONR and it requires bylaws (in the generic 
>>>> use of the term) to override RONR.
>>>> 
>>>> I think there's a way to make electronic meetings work. Our current 
>>>> rules are decent, but there should be time for discussion. On a 
>>>> call, or in person, that discussion happens real-time, so it's 
>>>> possible to dissent and have others consider that dissent. Email is 
>>>> delayed timing.
>>>> 
>>>> In contrast to your preference, I personally prefer to use email 
>>>> ballots for things that are not an emergency and easy to pass.  We 
>>>> also don't necessarily need 2 meetings per month in that scenario, 
>>>> either.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my thoughts on the matter...
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>> 4th District Chair
>>>> State Party IT Director
>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2019-07-31 15:08, chris at cwiestlaw.com wrote:
>>>>> I get it.
>>>>> I do disagree with you about the best way to get to a vote.
>>>>> Quorum on last minute emergency issues is always dicey at best.  
>>>>> You
>>>>> are asking people to drop everything they are doing, or otherwise 
>>>>> have
>>>>> planned, with little to no notice, and to make a telephone call.  
>>>>> That
>>>>> has not typically been overly successful.
>>>>> If I called a meeting tonight, at 9 p.m., maybe we get a quorum, 
>>>>> but
>>>>> probably we do not.  If we do not, then I have to try again for
>>>>> tomorrow.  Again, maybe we have quorum, maybe not.  And if no 
>>>>> quorum
>>>>> tomorrow night, we don't hit the 30 day notice requirement, and 
>>>>> then
>>>>> the entire convention has to be replanned.  Which is the very thing 
>>>>> we
>>>>> are trying to avoid.
>>>>> An email ballot, particularly for in between meeting emergencies, 
>>>>> is
>>>>> the best bet of getting quorum and a vote accomplished (assuming we
>>>>> can get people to vote by email -- and think about it -- email is
>>>>> easier to do than making a call with no notice).
>>>>> As when Harlen was the chair, I generally dislike business by 
>>>>> email.
>>>>> It hasn't been my, or our practice to do so to date, except in
>>>>> emergencies with pressing timing concerns.  I tend to think we need 
>>>>> to
>>>>> keep to the standard of "emergencies with pressing timing concerns"
>>>>> for email ballots and in terms of precedents.
>>>>> That said, this seems like an emergency with a pressing timing 
>>>>> concern.
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Ken Moellman <ken.moellman at lpky.org>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:50 PM
>>>>> To: Chris Wiest <chris at cwiestlaw.com>
>>>>> Cc: lpk-execomm at lists.lpky.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Lpk-execomm] MOTION Motion to call D6 organizing 
>>>>> convention
>>>>> I am not raising objection in this case, but also asking that this
>>>>> sort of emergency-vote-by-email not become the norm.
>>>>> The process of voting by email is outlined in a way that is
>>>>> intentionally meant to allow debate and to allow everyone to have a
>>>>> say.
>>>>> It is, by its nature, slower than an in-person or teleconference
>>>>> meeting. Emergencies are better handled by conference call, which 
>>>>> is
>>>>> section B of the same operating rule (though that language needs 
>>>>> some
>>>>> clean-up).
>>>>> To set precedent, to permit voting in this way, would allow for
>>>>> ram-rodding. In this case, this isn't an issue that is 
>>>>> controversial
>>>>> in any way, but this should not be the precedent going forward.  
>>>>> That
>>>>> is my point.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>> 4th District Chair
>>>>> State Party IT Director
>>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>>>> On 2019-07-31 14:11, Chris Wiest wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Moellman,
>>>>>> I am aware of the rules.  I am also aware of my discretion as 
>>>>>> chair to
>>>>>> handle matters by unanimous consent.  We are ending discussion by
>>>>>> unanimous consent (unless someone objects), though a 1/3 formal 
>>>>>> vote
>>>>>> could be sufficient to do so.
>>>>>> Unless there is an objection.
>>>>>> Please confirm, for the record, that you are not raising an 
>>>>>> objection
>>>>>> to our ending discussion early.
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2019, at 1:57 PM, Ken Moellman via Lpk-execomm
>>>>>>> <lpk-execomm at lists.lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> As a reminder on the rules of email ballots....
>>>>>>> A) The State Party Executive Committee shall provide and manage 
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> official mailing list for electronic discussion and voting to 
>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>> committee of the Party, made viewable to Voting Members, using
>>>>>>> official LPKY.org email addresses assigned by the State Party.
>>>>>>> 1) No more than two (2) motions by electronic mail shall be
>>>>>>> considered by a committee at the same time. A committee member 
>>>>>>> may
>>>>>>> introduce a motion by opening a distinct thread on the 
>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>> mailing list. The subject line must begin with “MOTION:”
>>>>>>> in capital letters,
>>>>>>> followed by subject in normal case.
>>>>>>> 2) Discussion may begin once another member has seconded the 
>>>>>>> motion.
>>>>>>> A motion is considered failed if it is not seconded within two 
>>>>>>> (2)
>>>>>>> business days.
>>>>>>> 3) The question will automatically be called, unless tabled to 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> next special or regular meeting, by a vote of one third (1/3) or 
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> of the committee, after one (1) full business day with no 
>>>>>>> discussion,
>>>>>>> or five (5) business days after the motion was seconded, 
>>>>>>> whichever
>>>>>>> comes first. Once the question has been called, members shall 
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> two (2) business days to vote.
>>>>>>> 4) No action shall be considered passed without a vote of the
>>>>>>> majority of all seated members of that committee.
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>> 4th District Chair
>>>>>>> State Party IT Director
>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>>>>>> On 2019-07-31 13:55, Ken Moellman via Lpk-execomm wrote:
>>>>>>>> Aye.  But the timing of this should not set precedent for future
>>>>>>>> email ballots.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>> 4th District Chair
>>>>>>>> State Party IT Director
>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>>>>>>> On 2019-07-31 13:09, Chris Wiest wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The motion has been made and seconded.
>>>>>>>>> By what I am presuming is unanimous consent (and any member may
>>>>>>>>> object in which case I will suspend voting and open this to
>>>>>>>>> discussion as required by the operating rules), I am ending
>>>>>>>>> discussion on this and opening voting.
>>>>>>>>> Email voting is opened (unless there is an objection to my 
>>>>>>>>> ending
>>>>>>>>> discussion early, in which case I will suspend further voting).
>>>>>>>>> In the interest of timeliness, I will end voting at the earlier 
>>>>>>>>> of:
>>>>>>>>> (I) all members having voted; or (II) a majority of the entire
>>>>>>>>> committee voting yes or no.
>>>>>>>>> For the record, I vote aye.
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2019, at 12:57 PM, Ken Moellman via Lpk-execomm
>>>>>>>>>> <lpk-execomm at lists.lpky.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Second.
>>>>>>>>>> We need to move VERY fast on this.  If we cannot get a vote on
>>>>>>>>>> this today then we need an emergency Exec call tonight, or
>>>>>>>>>> alternately the date will have to be pushed.  I think we 
>>>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>> have to do an emergency Exec call at this point.
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>>>>>>>>> 4th District Chair
>>>>>>>>>> State Party IT Director
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2019-07-31 12:37, randall.daniel--- via Lpk-execomm wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I motion that we call a organizing convention for the sixth
>>>>>>>>>>> district on Saturday August 31st, 1 pm, at the Lexington 
>>>>>>>>>>> Public
>>>>>>>>>>> Library, North side Branch.
>>>>>>>>>>> We have the medium conference room from 1 pm until 3 pm.
>>>>>>>>>>> Randall Daniel
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>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
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