[Lpganationaldelegates2018] Question About LNC At-Large/Judicial Committee Votes

Dan Johnson nsadatacenter at gmail.com
Tue Jul 10 01:50:30 EDT 2018 

I think a pretty easy way to settle that argument would be to pull the
analytics from the platform page. It may not give you everything you need
to know, but if you have 1,000< per month going to the platform page, that
would probably answer that question as to how many people reference it or
not.

But more importantly, if it is useful, the platform is already pretty well
done. It has been slightly modified a sentence or two for 40+ years but it
is very well put together right now. Changing a comma or a sentence here or
there isn't really a good use of time.

But again, I'm not suggesting eliminating platform discussions, just moving
them to the end so the dedicated activists can make edits to it as
necessary. Choosing leadership is a fairly critical determiner of new
membership, and allowing an existing committee to choose some of the
leadership on their own is a good way to keep new blood and ideas from
flowing in.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 12:39 AM John via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:

> Sorry I'm a bit late to this game.
>
> > the Platform is simply Libertarians nerding out over a document the vast
> majority of the public will not read
>
> I strongly disagree with the relative priorities expressed here. If you
> want to skip the convention entirely to focus on activism, I get that, but
> the platform is easily the most important thing done there.
>
> Leadership is just names and faces. Yes, it can be nice to have hard
> workers there. And it would be nifty if they didn't say embarrassing
> things. But ultimately they don't really matter much. We could succeed or
> fail about as easily with a good (e.g.) chair as with a bad one. And
> honestly the difference in quality between the leading candidates just
> isn't that big.
>
> Absolutely most people will never read the platform. But think about who
> it is that does. They're interested, aware, and motivated. They're more
> likely to end up getting involved. I know reading the LP national platform
> was one of the first couple of things I read to learn what libertarianism
> was. I wasn't going to sit down and read some philosopher's tome, but a few
> bullet points? I can handle that.
>
> And even if they don't sit down and read it, which again most won't, it's
> reference material. When I've had people try to misrepresent what the LP
> is, I can quote and link to the platform to show them they're buying into a
> BS narrative. That alone is valuable.
>
> It also serves a purpose within a party, though this would be done better
> if it was shorter.
>
> On 07/06/2018 02:00 PM, Dan Johnson via Lpganationaldelegates2018 wrote:
>
> This is a broader comment but I would be all in favor of having the agenda
> go: Bylaws, LNC Elections, Platform, instead of its current order. Bylaws
> are important because they set the rules for the convention, but the
> Platform is simply Libertarians nerding out over a document the vast
> majority of the public will not read, IMO. So if we can have the dedicated
> focus on the platform at the end we can probably get the LNC elections all
> done at the convention.
>
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:39 PM Ted Metz via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>
>> I am very pleased with the At-Large outcome. It is my opinion that the
>> At-large voting procedure is flawed in that there are 5 slots and 30(?)
>> candidates. I think plurality voting is the only way to efficiently handle
>> multiple candidates for multiple openings. There was no bullying, no force,
>> no intimidation.
>>
>> Furthermore, I am not certain that the outcome would have been any
>> different had the procedure been done by the book, and if it had, it would
>> have taken 12 hours or more, same opinion with the Judicial Committee. I
>> would like to see plurality voting for any positions that have multiple
>> openings with perhaps taking the top vote recipients equal to twice the
>> number of openings for round one, and move them to the final round of
>> plurality voting to determine the top picks.
>>
>> For these elections, we were allowed to choose all of our candidate
>> choices, and those with the most approval votes got the positions.
>>
>> Now, this sort of officer election would be perfect for ranked choice
>> voting.
>>
>> I suspect that the person(s) raising the issue is just upset that their
>> guy didn't win.
>>
>> Ted Metz
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Ryan Graham via
>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've given the feedback as no animosity or anything towards Nick for
>>> hurrying us along at the end, but still general unhappiness with the
>>> result. We need to get it fixed by 2020 so it doesn't happen again, but we
>>> can accept what happened this year.
>>>
>>> The problem with moving the elections up is less time to campaign for
>>> the candidates. Should be a happy medium somewhere though. The speed at
>>> which we vote is also a problem. A party that literally complains about our
>>> abundance of IT people and we're still hand balloting these things for our
>>> Secretary to enter into Excel on her unsupported Windows XP laptop is
>>> probably not going to cut it.
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-06 00:24, Nelson Barnhouse wrote:
>>>
>>> Well if you are going to be all logical about it I give up. You do not
>>> have to blame me. For an alternative example the Republicans in their Ga
>>> convention finish all the people elections before they vote bylaws. They
>>> seldom complete bylaws.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 11:19 PM, Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the issue is more that we leave the really important elections
>>> until the very end. We shouldn't have to rush through it. I'm not mad Nick
>>> rushed us through it based on where we were, but we shouldn't be in that
>>> position to begin with.
>>> ---
>>> In Liberty,
>>> Ryan Graham
>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2018-07-05 23:08, Nelson Barnhouse via Lpganationaldelegates2018
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Blame me. I left early.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Nathan Wilson via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
>>> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If the at-large was not resolved through the majority's, then the rest
>>> of the board would have appointed individuals they chose.
>>>
>>> Last convention we did not get to the judicial votes, so the lnc chose
>>> the judicial candidates. The body had no say in those results.
>>>
>>> In my opinion this was handled the best way possible given the time that
>>> was left. I feel there would have been little change in the lnc regardless
>>> of how many more votes we had.
>>>
>>> If you feel the need to blame anyone, I did at the last moment at Alicia
>>> Mattson to my vote for at Large. Though this wouldn't fix anything it would
>>> have gave sheetz a chance. Though more accurately we could blame the
>>> hundreds of other people who left early.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2018, 8:53 PM Martin Cowen via Lpganationaldelegates2018 <
>>> lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did not feel bullied. I was very happy to have the matter moved along
>>>> expeditiously.
>>>>
>>>> We were seriously up against the clock.
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> P.S. That said, I wasn't the person who lost by one vote. I get it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Thursday, July 5, 2018, 8:43:57 PM EDT, Ryan Graham via
>>>> Lpganationaldelegates2018 <lpganationaldelegates2018 at lpmail.lp.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>
>>>> Our brand new alternate is asking us about how this was handled. It
>>>> sounds like some are upset at us suspending the rules to elect these
>>>> positions in one vote, especially given the first out in the LNC At-Large
>>>> race only lost by a single vote.
>>>>
>>>> Victoria wants to know if we felt bullied in any way.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like there is some discussion of fixing the vote for the 3
>>>> LNC At-Large that we got by suspending the rules, and every Judicial
>>>> Committee member.
>>>> --
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Vice Chairman, Libertarian Party of Georgia
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