[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

Mon Jul 22 17:10:09 EDT 2019

Nay

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 3:37 PM Evan Durkovic via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

> Nay.
>
> Evan Durkovic
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 9:49 AM Stephanie Aylworth via Lpgaexcomm <
> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>> Nay.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:15 AM Jay Guidry via Lpgaexcomm <
>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
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>>> Can’t remmwber if I voted but nay if I didn’t
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:12 AM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bumping this thread for more votes. Please effort a vote today if you
>>>> haven't.
>>>> ---
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-07-19 16:30, Ted Metz via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nay.
>>>>
>>>> Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself, condeming a
>>>> sentiment that is widley popular will not grow the party.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they will drag
>>>> you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via Lpgaexcomm" <
>>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think the logic that
>>>> it helps us move on is flawed. Some people certainly think this, but it
>>>> actually forces us to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
>>>> should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion die for lack of a
>>>> second actually helps on to more on much more effectively.
>>>>
>>>> You can always reach out to the originator of the motion and make
>>>> suggestions for changes that could be made in order to secure your support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 2:27 PM
>>>> *To:* lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com
>>>> *Cc:* Ryan Graham <ryan.graham at lpgeorgia.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald
>>>> Trump's Divisive Rhetoric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It just depends on you. Some people second everything so we can move on
>>>> to discussion or voting, even if they plan on voting nay. Some people won't
>>>> second things unless they support it. Purely personal.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss it. Is seconding
>>>> equivalent to endorsing? I'm not well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via Lpgaexcomm <
>>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I like the generalize statement. It's good to be able to use this
>>>> regardless of what the tweet is. With that being said, when I was acting
>>>> executive director I would just use responses from national if they chose
>>>> to respond to tweet or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up with
>>>> something, and is usually very well worded.
>>>>
>>>>  I vote yes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We don't have to respond to all of his tweets because we respond to
>>>> one. Regardless, if libertarians wanted to suggest that we do so by writing
>>>> such responses for us to consider, I'd say we should probably consider them.
>>>>
>>>> My take is that this particular tweet from the President, and the
>>>> subsequent rally in NC, is a step further than we've typically seen in the
>>>> past, and a step over a line I'm not comfortable with the POTUS stepping
>>>> over.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But since the motion has been seconded, I will open the discussion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am concerned about responding to any particular tweets from the
>>>> president. Because if we respond to one then we have to respond to all and
>>>> that would just be ridiculous.  Besides Trump is certainly not the only
>>>> politician who is spewing hate in the public discourse.  I would be more in
>>>> favor of a more generally worded statement that does not address a specific
>>>> behavior by a specific politician.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about replacing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  "In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>>>> States"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "In light of the current state of politically charged bigotry and
>>>> hatred in our country"
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm <
>>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will second the motion and add that I'm feeling torn. On the one hand
>>>> I agree with what is said here. On the other hand, I feel that the drama
>>>> that is involved with Trump and his tweets is in itself divisive propaganda
>>>> that serves to pull attention toward his rhetoric and away from his actual
>>>> policy. I would rather not participate in that. That said, to not speak out
>>>> when we are being asked to does seem to imply support. If we do make this
>>>> official statement, I would change "bigoted statements" to simply
>>>> "statements". "Bigoted statements" although we may agree that it is
>>>> correct, seems subjective rather than factual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
>>>> lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Team,
>>>>
>>>> We had a concerned libertarian reach out and ask why we haven't made a
>>>> statement about Donald Trump's recent tweets and statements. He went so far
>>>> as to send a statement he'd like to see. Laurie took a look and edited it
>>>> up and I think we're ready for a motion.
>>>>
>>>> I move to make an official statement of the Libertarian Party of
>>>> Georgia regarding the Trump rhetoric as follows:
>>>>
>>>> In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
>>>> States and the silence of many who fail to condemn these statements (and
>>>> whose inaction is sometimes interpreted as support), we the members and
>>>> supporters of the Libertarian Party restate our condemnation of any and all
>>>> acts of bigotry, racism, and hatred by any person against any other. To
>>>> view individuals primarily as members of a group or bound by immutable
>>>> characteristics is a violation of our values celebrating rights of the
>>>> individual.
>>>>
>>>> Politicians fostering divisiveness, bigotry, and collectivism among
>>>> individuals are a threat to America's identity as a melting pot of cultural
>>>> influence and a steward of equality before the law. We the Libertarian
>>>> Party embrace America's diversity and affirm our pursuit of the principles
>>>> of liberty and justice for all individuals.
>>>>
>>>> We need a second before voting can begin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> In Liberty,
>>>> Ryan Graham
>>>> Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia
>>>>
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