[LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

Fri Jul 19 16:30:13 EDT 2019

Nay.

Wherein condemning stupidity is pointless in and of itself, condeming a
sentiment that is widley popular will not grow the party.

As Sam Clement said, "*Never argue* with stupid people, they will drag you
down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

On Jul 19, 2019 3:31 PM, "christine00austin--- via Lpgaexcomm" <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

I agree with Ryan that some people do this, but I think the logic that it
helps us move on is flawed. Some people certainly think this, but it
actually forces us to discuss and debate and then vote on an issue that
should have died for lack of a second. Letting a motion die for lack of a
second actually helps on to more on much more effectively.

You can always reach out to the originator of the motion and make
suggestions for changes that could be made in order to secure your support.

*From:* Lpgaexcomm <lpgaexcomm-bounces at lists.lpgeorgia.com> *On Behalf Of *Ryan
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*Subject:* Re: [LPGa Executive Committee] Official Statement on Donald
Trump's Divisive Rhetoric

It just depends on you. Some people second everything so we can move on to
discussion or voting, even if they plan on voting nay. Some people won't
second things unless they support it. Purely personal.

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In Liberty,
Ryan Graham
Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia

On 2019-07-19 14:22, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm wrote:

I am seconding the motion that we vote on it/discuss it. Is seconding
equivalent to endorsing? I'm not well-grounded in parliamentary procedure.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:17 PM Nathan Wilson via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

I like the generalize statement. It's good to be able to use this
regardless of what the tweet is. With that being said, when I was acting
executive director I would just use responses from national if they chose
to respond to tweet or reshare. Saves us the effort oh coming up with
something, and is usually very well worded.

 I vote yes.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 1:09 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

We don't have to respond to all of his tweets because we respond to one.
Regardless, if libertarians wanted to suggest that we do so by writing such
responses for us to consider, I'd say we should probably consider them.

My take is that this particular tweet from the President, and the
subsequent rally in NC, is a step further than we've typically seen in the
past, and a step over a line I'm not comfortable with the POTUS stepping
over.

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In Liberty,
Ryan Graham
Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia

On 2019-07-19 12:59, Christine Austin via Lpgaexcomm wrote:

But since the motion has been seconded, I will open the discussion.

I am concerned about responding to any particular tweets from the
president. Because if we respond to one then we have to respond to all and
that would just be ridiculous.  Besides Trump is certainly not the only
politician who is spewing hate in the public discourse.  I would be more in
favor of a more generally worded statement that does not address a specific
behavior by a specific politician.

What about replacing

 "In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United
States"

With.....

"In light of the current state of politically charged bigotry and hatred in
our country"

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 19, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Elizabeth M via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

I will second the motion and add that I'm feeling torn. On the one hand I
agree with what is said here. On the other hand, I feel that the drama that
is involved with Trump and his tweets is in itself divisive propaganda that
serves to pull attention toward his rhetoric and away from his actual
policy. I would rather not participate in that. That said, to not speak out
when we are being asked to does seem to imply support. If we do make this
official statement, I would change "bigoted statements" to simply
"statements". "Bigoted statements" although we may agree that it is
correct, seems subjective rather than factual.

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 12:18 PM Ryan Graham via Lpgaexcomm <
lpgaexcomm at lists.lpgeorgia.com> wrote:

Hey Team,

We had a concerned libertarian reach out and ask why we haven't made a
statement about Donald Trump's recent tweets and statements. He went so far
as to send a statement he'd like to see. Laurie took a look and edited it
up and I think we're ready for a motion.

I move to make an official statement of the Libertarian Party of Georgia
regarding the Trump rhetoric as follows:

In light of recent bigoted statements by the President of the United States
and the silence of many who fail to condemn these statements (and whose
inaction is sometimes interpreted as support), we the members and
supporters of the Libertarian Party restate our condemnation of any and all
acts of bigotry, racism, and hatred by any person against any other. To
view individuals primarily as members of a group or bound by immutable
characteristics is a violation of our values celebrating rights of the
individual.

Politicians fostering divisiveness, bigotry, and collectivism among
individuals are a threat to America's identity as a melting pot of cultural
influence and a steward of equality before the law. We the Libertarian
Party embrace America's diversity and affirm our pursuit of the principles
of liberty and justice for all individuals.

We need a second before voting can begin.

-- 

In Liberty,
Ryan Graham
Chair, Libertarian Party of Georgia

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