All --
I had someone approach me about setting up events this year, and I
suggested that to keep things sane that we should consider having a form
to do this. I went ahead and mocked up a form, and have placed it on
our Drive. It is available here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ub9npkBTi4ys5XDyvGDA3Pec-zVCQREcl4WBikx…
I would like to ask that people seeking permission from the state party
to do outreach events use this form, so we can standardize.
Additionally, if any of you believe I've missed something on the form,
need to change something, or whatever; please let me know. I am happy
to modify the form accordingly. I only built this to try to facilitate
us, so that all of the information is outlined for consideration when
there is a motion to allocate funds or whatever.
As a reminder, the use of the term "Libertarian Party" is trademarked by
LP National, granted use to state affiliates, and those state affiliates
can allow the use of the name to their affiliates. So any event in a
county where we do not have a county party today will require approval
from the State Executive Committee for even the use of the name.
--
Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
Libertarian Party of Kentucky
State Party Executive Committee Chair
My response to Dr Lodder's discussion items are as follows:
We are set up hierarchically. We are both top-down and bottom-up. For
top-down:
* The state party must exist to affiliate organizations under it
(Article IV Sections 3(A) and 3(B)),
* We disallow County Parties to create their own membership
requirements (Article IV Section 2)
* We provide the purpose for the County Party (Article IV Section
1(A)).
In both our current model and in previous models of governance, there
has also been the bottom-up aspect; previously, the chairs of each
directly-affiliated group sat on the committee that chartered that
affiliate. Now we have the county chairs who sit on the state party
steering committee, and appoint the state executive committee.
We already have unilateral termination authority under Article IV
Section 5.
The requirement to turn over assets upon dissolution is already covered
in Article IV Section 5(C).
The indemnification clause explicitly states: County Party agrees to
indemnify and hold harmless LPKY, its officers, and affiliates from any
claims, liabilities, or legal actions _arising from the actions or
inactions of County Party, when LPKY acts within its rights or duties
under LPKY Constitution or this agreement. _ That second part of the
clause outlines that LPKY must be acting within their own rights and
duties. This is standard language in most contracts.
I would suggest that county parties that can't get a county convention
together probably aren't ready to have a party yet. If they can't
handle a convention, then how are they holding an Organizing Convention
they couldn't handle, which has the election requirements as a Special
Convention (as outlined in the agreement) or an Annual Convention. They
could be a County Development Group for a while, perhaps. County
coordinators. Organizing conventions are actually slightly more
complex, as they require a motion to petition to affiliate as the final
item of business.
Additionally, county conventions almost never cost money to the
affiliate.
If there's a conflict of interest between the chair and a potential
venue, there are at least 2 other members of the county party committee
to handle negotiations. That said, I think this is not a concern. I
live in a county of 20,000 people and I live near the smallest county by
population (Robertson). Both counties have facilities to hold a meeting;
at a minimum, they have a library with a meeting room.
The only restriction that this agreement actually adds, beyond what is
already in the Constitution, is the requirement in Paragraph 5. Holding
multiple meetings prior to spinning up a party is a good idea. Since we
are approximately 22 months away from the next scheduled county party
elections, it makes little sense to let 3 people just start a county
party without giving others who would otherwise be interested have a
chance to take part in the organization.
We could literally strip out everything except paragraph 5 and
everything would stay the same. And Paragraph 5 is meant to prevent a
county party cold war driven over desire to control the state steering
committee and, in turn, over the state executive committee. Such
actions are not real growth, not healthy for the overall organization,
and will inevitably create a massive KREF disaster for a future
committee to clean up.
---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
Libertarian Party of Kentucky
State Party Executive Committee Chair
On 2025-03-05 10:48, Robert Lodder wrote:
> My discussion points on the draft county affiliate agreement:
>
> Traditionally in a contract, the contract spells out the advantages to
> each party to the contract as reasons for entering into the contract.
> Spell these out, if any, in the Whereas portion of the contract.
>
> The agreement establishes a hierarchical relationship where LPKY holds
> the majority of power and control, while County Parties are subordinate
> and must adhere to LPKY's rules and decisions. This power imbalance is
> evident in several aspects of the agreement, which may not align with
> best practices for organizational justice and fairness in affiliate
> agreements. The limited autonomy may hinder the ability of County
> Parties to adapt to local needs and circumstances.
>
> Unilateral Termination: LPKY reserves the right to terminate the
> agreement at any time if the County Party is found to be in violation
> of its terms. This clause gives LPKY significant power over County
> Parties, creating operational uncertainty and a potential imbalance of
> power.
> Both sides should be able to terminate an unsatisfactory agreement.
> The contract should spell out the terms by which both parties can exit.
>
> Asset Control: Upon dissolution, all remaining assets of the County
> Party become the property of LPKY. This provision will discourage
> County Parties from building financial or material resources, as they
> do not have long-term control over these assets.
>
> Indemnification Clause: County Parties must indemnify and hold harmless
> LPKY from any claims or liabilities arising from their actions. This
> shifts legal and financial risks entirely onto the County Party, even
> in cases where LPKY's actions may have contributed to the issue.
> Compliance with complex laws and regulations may be challenging,
> especially for smaller County Parties without legal expertise.
>
> New or smaller County Parties may face logistical and financial burdens
> due to the requirement to hold extra Special Conventions if they don't
> meet certain organizational benchmarks.
>
> The Constitution of the Libertarian Party of Kentucky outlines several
> ethical responsibilities for its members and county parties. These
> responsibilities aim to ensure financial transparency, prevent
> conflicts of interest, and maintain the integrity of party operations.
> Members are prohibited from using their official position or office to
> obtain financial gain or other personal benefits for themselves, any
> family member, or a business associate. This can be a problem if, for
> example, a county party chair has a brother who owns the only meeting
> facility in the county big enough to handle the County Convention. In
> such instances transparency and prior approval of a transaction by
> others in the party is better than a blanket prohibition.
>
> In conclusion, while some level of control and standardization is
> necessary for maintaining consistency across a political party's
> structure, this agreement appears to create significant disadvantages
> for County Parties. The terms heavily favor LPKY in terms of control,
> decision-making authority, and risk allocation. This imbalance may not
> align with best practices for fairness in organizational affiliate
> agreements, which typically emphasize transparency, equitable
> treatment, and stakeholder engagement
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 9:42 AM Ken Moellman via Lpk-execomm
> <lpk-execomm(a)lists.lpky.org> wrote:
>
>> All -
>>
>> As discussed on the last State Party Executive call, I would like to
>> adopt an affiliate agreement. To date, the primary objection I have
>> heard is related to timings in paragraph 5; that the timelines seem
>> arbitrary, and generally about the timelines not making a lot of
>> sense.
>>
>> To be able to discuss the motion, we must have a motion. As such, I
>> am
>> making the motion to adopt an updated version, with paragraph 5
>> revised
>> to read as follows:
>>
>> _If fewer than 4 publicly-advertised in-person monthly meetings were
>> held in the 183 days preceding an Organizational Convention, and if
>> the
>> next Annual Convention at which officers of County Party will be
>> elected
>> is greater than 274 days from the date of the organizational
>> convention,
>> then County Party agrees to hold a Special Convention between 180 and
>> 210 days after the Organizing Convention, at which all leadership
>> positions are to be re-elected._
>>
>> Link to document in its entirety:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLZqfrLWElZtB45fp5APZC85mQ7x_8C7lU6glbF…
>>
>> As a reminder, links to the mailing lists for committees and the
>> instructions on how email voting works is in our drive, available from
>> the meeting minutes link on the website, here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5CMoltjBeqqSCOzOWexslpQeAxLY9DbXBIjGPj…
>>
>> Debate begins when a person responds to this email with "Second".
>>
>> --
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>
>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>> State Party Executive Committee Chair
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lpk-execomm mailing list
>> Lpk-execomm(a)lists.lpky.org
>> http://lpmail.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpk-execomm
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Lodder, Ph.D.
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Phone: (301) 476-0705
> Email: rlodder(a)biospherics.net
>
> This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by
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Rob - I just added your personal account to the mailing list, so that
future messages go through.
Mr Lodder has seconded the motion and sent his thoughts on it to the
list, which were originally bounced but from now on messages from that
account should go through. The original response is below.
---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
Libertarian Party of Kentucky
State Party Executive Committee Chair
On 2025-03-05 10:48, Robert Lodder wrote:
> My discussion points on the draft county affiliate agreement:
>
> Traditionally in a contract, the contract spells out the advantages to
> each party to the contract as reasons for entering into the contract.
> Spell these out, if any, in the Whereas portion of the contract.
>
> The agreement establishes a hierarchical relationship where LPKY holds
> the majority of power and control, while County Parties are subordinate
> and must adhere to LPKY's rules and decisions. This power imbalance is
> evident in several aspects of the agreement, which may not align with
> best practices for organizational justice and fairness in affiliate
> agreements. The limited autonomy may hinder the ability of County
> Parties to adapt to local needs and circumstances.
>
> Unilateral Termination: LPKY reserves the right to terminate the
> agreement at any time if the County Party is found to be in violation
> of its terms. This clause gives LPKY significant power over County
> Parties, creating operational uncertainty and a potential imbalance of
> power.
> Both sides should be able to terminate an unsatisfactory agreement.
> The contract should spell out the terms by which both parties can exit.
>
> Asset Control: Upon dissolution, all remaining assets of the County
> Party become the property of LPKY. This provision will discourage
> County Parties from building financial or material resources, as they
> do not have long-term control over these assets.
>
> Indemnification Clause: County Parties must indemnify and hold harmless
> LPKY from any claims or liabilities arising from their actions. This
> shifts legal and financial risks entirely onto the County Party, even
> in cases where LPKY's actions may have contributed to the issue.
> Compliance with complex laws and regulations may be challenging,
> especially for smaller County Parties without legal expertise.
>
> New or smaller County Parties may face logistical and financial burdens
> due to the requirement to hold extra Special Conventions if they don't
> meet certain organizational benchmarks.
>
> The Constitution of the Libertarian Party of Kentucky outlines several
> ethical responsibilities for its members and county parties. These
> responsibilities aim to ensure financial transparency, prevent
> conflicts of interest, and maintain the integrity of party operations.
> Members are prohibited from using their official position or office to
> obtain financial gain or other personal benefits for themselves, any
> family member, or a business associate. This can be a problem if, for
> example, a county party chair has a brother who owns the only meeting
> facility in the county big enough to handle the County Convention. In
> such instances transparency and prior approval of a transaction by
> others in the party is better than a blanket prohibition.
>
> In conclusion, while some level of control and standardization is
> necessary for maintaining consistency across a political party's
> structure, this agreement appears to create significant disadvantages
> for County Parties. The terms heavily favor LPKY in terms of control,
> decision-making authority, and risk allocation. This imbalance may not
> align with best practices for fairness in organizational affiliate
> agreements, which typically emphasize transparency, equitable
> treatment, and stakeholder engagement
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2025 at 9:42 AM Ken Moellman via Lpk-execomm
> <lpk-execomm(a)lists.lpky.org> wrote:
>
>> All -
>>
>> As discussed on the last State Party Executive call, I would like to
>> adopt an affiliate agreement. To date, the primary objection I have
>> heard is related to timings in paragraph 5; that the timelines seem
>> arbitrary, and generally about the timelines not making a lot of
>> sense.
>>
>> To be able to discuss the motion, we must have a motion. As such, I
>> am
>> making the motion to adopt an updated version, with paragraph 5
>> revised
>> to read as follows:
>>
>> _If fewer than 4 publicly-advertised in-person monthly meetings were
>> held in the 183 days preceding an Organizational Convention, and if
>> the
>> next Annual Convention at which officers of County Party will be
>> elected
>> is greater than 274 days from the date of the organizational
>> convention,
>> then County Party agrees to hold a Special Convention between 180 and
>> 210 days after the Organizing Convention, at which all leadership
>> positions are to be re-elected._
>>
>> Link to document in its entirety:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLZqfrLWElZtB45fp5APZC85mQ7x_8C7lU6glbF…
>>
>> As a reminder, links to the mailing lists for committees and the
>> instructions on how email voting works is in our drive, available from
>> the meeting minutes link on the website, here:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5CMoltjBeqqSCOzOWexslpQeAxLY9DbXBIjGPj…
>>
>> Debate begins when a person responds to this email with "Second".
>>
>> --
>> Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
>>
>> Libertarian Party of Kentucky
>> State Party Executive Committee Chair
>> _______________________________________________
>> Lpk-execomm mailing list
>> Lpk-execomm(a)lists.lpky.org
>> http://lpmail.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lpk-execomm
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Lodder, Ph.D.
> Chief Executive Officer
>
> Phone: (301) 476-0705
> Email: rlodder(a)biospherics.net
>
> This e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by
> the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or
> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this
> e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or
> copying of this e-mail, and any attachments thereto, is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me
> by replying to this message and permanently delete the original and any
> copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof.
All -
As discussed on the last State Party Executive call, I would like to
adopt an affiliate agreement. To date, the primary objection I have
heard is related to timings in paragraph 5; that the timelines seem
arbitrary, and generally about the timelines not making a lot of sense.
To be able to discuss the motion, we must have a motion. As such, I am
making the motion to adopt an updated version, with paragraph 5 revised
to read as follows:
_If fewer than 4 publicly-advertised in-person monthly meetings were
held in the 183 days preceding an Organizational Convention, and if the
next Annual Convention at which officers of County Party will be elected
is greater than 274 days from the date of the organizational convention,
then County Party agrees to hold a Special Convention between 180 and
210 days after the Organizing Convention, at which all leadership
positions are to be re-elected._
Link to document in its entirety:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLZqfrLWElZtB45fp5APZC85mQ7x_8C7lU6glbF…
As a reminder, links to the mailing lists for committees and the
instructions on how email voting works is in our drive, available from
the meeting minutes link on the website, here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l5CMoltjBeqqSCOzOWexslpQeAxLY9DbXBIjGPj…
Debate begins when a person responds to this email with "Second".
--
Ken C. Moellman, Jr.
Libertarian Party of Kentucky
State Party Executive Committee Chair
