Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC meeting - on Potential Conflicts of Interest
I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don't know where it should be inserted): The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting. My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don't get how and why it's structured. Geoffrey Neale
Geoff, Having the Secretary maintain such a list sounds reasonable. I move to add the language "and guests" to the second sentence, and to allow a form of distribution that saves paper, so that the revised sentence reads: "This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members and guests at each regular LNC meeting, either in the form of a paper handout or an announcement of where the document may be viewed online, with at least one paper copy of the list always made physically available at the meeting to be viewed by attendees." In keeping with the observations about the LNC Policy Manual that I made in my previous message, I also move to add a third sentence: "This rule shall be binding during the term of the 2012-2014 Libertarian National Committee, and thereafter shall take the form of a non-binding recommendation which each future LNC may choose to either ignore or make binding for its term." Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don’t know where it should be inserted):
The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting.
My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don’t get how and why it’s structured.
Geoffrey Neale
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
My apologies -- like Scott I misinterpreted these motions as items being proposed for consideration and voting now. Please consider my two proposed amendments below as submitted items for the LNC meeting. Here is specific language for my second motion below, since I should have proposed specific language: "This template is a non-binding document to assist the chair in preparing agendas, and not a format which must be absolutely followed." Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Starchild wrote:
Geoff,
Having the Secretary maintain such a list sounds reasonable. I move to add the language "and guests" to the second sentence, and to allow a form of distribution that saves paper, so that the revised sentence reads:
"This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members and guests at each regular LNC meeting, either in the form of a paper handout or an announcement of where the document may be viewed online, with at least one paper copy of the list always made physically available at the meeting to be viewed by attendees."
In keeping with the observations about the LNC Policy Manual that I made in my previous message, I also move to add a third sentence:
"This rule shall be binding during the term of the 2012-2014 Libertarian National Committee, and thereafter shall take the form of a non-binding recommendation which each future LNC may choose to either ignore or make binding for its term."
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Starchild wrote:
Second. If we're going to have an opening ceremony, it seems to me that it ought to be something specifically liberty-affirming, but having such a ceremony makes more sense for a large gathering like an LP convention than for a Libertarian National Committee meeting.
I also question the need for the chair to be bound to a particular template when it comes to setting meeting agendas, so long as there is fair opportunity for everyone's items to be included. This template is the kind of thing that has stretched the LNC Policy Manual to 72 pages.
I further move to amend the motion as follows: That the entire template be labeled as a suggested way of ordering the agenda, and not a binding rule.
In my view, Policy Manual provisions which we believe should be permanent binding rules ought to be added to the Bylaws, where party delegates can vote on them, and the manual itself should consist of the rules which each LNC passes to make binding on itself, for that LNC term only. If we allow these rules to be binding on all future committees, I believe we will continue to see the Policy Manual mushroom in size, and that it will increasingly pose the danger of constituting an end-run around the Bylaws and the proper power of the delegates to oversee the party. After a given term of the LNC, all its rules could remain in the Policy Manual, but simply be downgraded to recommendations.
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don’t know where it should be inserted):
The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting.
My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don’t get how and why it’s structured.
Geoffrey Neale
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
Thank you Starchild I will place your motion in the preliminary agenda. Geoffrey Neale -----Original Message----- From: lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:26 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] AMENDMENT - Re: Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC meeting - on Potential Conflicts of Interest My apologies -- like Scott I misinterpreted these motions as items being proposed for consideration and voting now. Please consider my two proposed amendments below as submitted items for the LNC meeting. Here is specific language for my second motion below, since I should have proposed specific language: "This template is a non-binding document to assist the chair in preparing agendas, and not a format which must be absolutely followed." Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Starchild wrote:
Geoff,
Having the Secretary maintain such a list sounds reasonable. I move to add the language "and guests" to the second sentence, and to allow a form of distribution that saves paper, so that the revised sentence reads:
"This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members and guests at each regular LNC meeting, either in the form of a paper handout or an announcement of where the document may be viewed online, with at least one paper copy of the list always made physically available at the meeting to be viewed by attendees."
In keeping with the observations about the LNC Policy Manual that I made in my previous message, I also move to add a third sentence:
"This rule shall be binding during the term of the 2012-2014 Libertarian National Committee, and thereafter shall take the form of a non-binding recommendation which each future LNC may choose to either ignore or make binding for its term."
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Starchild wrote:
Second. If we're going to have an opening ceremony, it seems to me that it ought to be something specifically liberty-affirming, but having such a ceremony makes more sense for a large gathering like an LP convention than for a Libertarian National Committee meeting.
I also question the need for the chair to be bound to a particular template when it comes to setting meeting agendas, so long as there is fair opportunity for everyone's items to be included. This template is the kind of thing that has stretched the LNC Policy Manual to 72 pages.
I further move to amend the motion as follows: That the entire template be labeled as a suggested way of ordering the agenda, and not a binding rule.
In my view, Policy Manual provisions which we believe should be permanent binding rules ought to be added to the Bylaws, where party delegates can vote on them, and the manual itself should consist of the rules which each LNC passes to make binding on itself, for that LNC term only. If we allow these rules to be binding on all future committees, I believe we will continue to see the Policy Manual mushroom in size, and that it will increasingly pose the danger of constituting an end-run around the Bylaws and the proper power of the delegates to oversee the party. After a given term of the LNC, all its rules could remain in the Policy Manual, but simply be downgraded to recommendations.
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don't know where it should be inserted):
The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting.
My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don't get how and why it's structured.
Geoffrey Neale
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
Thanks, Geoff. Please note it's "motions", plural -- there are two. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
Thank you Starchild
I will place your motion in the preliminary agenda.
Geoffrey Neale
-----Original Message----- From: lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:26 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] AMENDMENT - Re: Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC meeting - on Potential Conflicts of Interest
My apologies -- like Scott I misinterpreted these motions as items being proposed for consideration and voting now. Please consider my two proposed amendments below as submitted items for the LNC meeting.
Here is specific language for my second motion below, since I should have proposed specific language:
"This template is a non-binding document to assist the chair in preparing agendas, and not a format which must be absolutely followed."
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 12:09 PM, Starchild wrote:
Geoff,
Having the Secretary maintain such a list sounds reasonable. I move to add the language "and guests" to the second sentence, and to allow a form of distribution that saves paper, so that the revised sentence reads:
"This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members and guests at each regular LNC meeting, either in the form of a paper handout or an announcement of where the document may be viewed online, with at least one paper copy of the list always made physically available at the meeting to be viewed by attendees."
In keeping with the observations about the LNC Policy Manual that I made in my previous message, I also move to add a third sentence:
"This rule shall be binding during the term of the 2012-2014 Libertarian National Committee, and thereafter shall take the form of a non-binding recommendation which each future LNC may choose to either ignore or make binding for its term."
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Starchild wrote:
Second. If we're going to have an opening ceremony, it seems to me that it ought to be something specifically liberty-affirming, but having such a ceremony makes more sense for a large gathering like an LP convention than for a Libertarian National Committee meeting.
I also question the need for the chair to be bound to a particular template when it comes to setting meeting agendas, so long as there is fair opportunity for everyone's items to be included. This template is the kind of thing that has stretched the LNC Policy Manual to 72 pages.
I further move to amend the motion as follows: That the entire template be labeled as a suggested way of ordering the agenda, and not a binding rule.
In my view, Policy Manual provisions which we believe should be permanent binding rules ought to be added to the Bylaws, where party delegates can vote on them, and the manual itself should consist of the rules which each LNC passes to make binding on itself, for that LNC term only. If we allow these rules to be binding on all future committees, I believe we will continue to see the Policy Manual mushroom in size, and that it will increasingly pose the danger of constituting an end-run around the Bylaws and the proper power of the delegates to oversee the party. After a given term of the LNC, all its rules could remain in the Policy Manual, but simply be downgraded to recommendations.
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don't know where it should be inserted):
The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting.
My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don't get how and why it's structured.
Geoffrey Neale
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
Starchild: I am not including your "motions to amend" as stated for the same reason I declined the prior "motion to amend". A motion to amend is out of order if there is no main motion. There is none at this time. Please offer these as amendments at the LNC meeting. Geoffrey Neale Chair Libertarian Party From: lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Starchild Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:10 PM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: [Lnc-business] AMENDMENT - Re: Motion for the July 15th 2012 LNC meeting - on Potential Conflicts of Interest Geoff, Having the Secretary maintain such a list sounds reasonable. I move to add the language "and guests" to the second sentence, and to allow a form of distribution that saves paper, so that the revised sentence reads: "This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members and guests at each regular LNC meeting, either in the form of a paper handout or an announcement of where the document may be viewed online, with at least one paper copy of the list always made physically available at the meeting to be viewed by attendees." In keeping with the observations about the LNC Policy Manual that I made in my previous message, I also move to add a third sentence: "This rule shall be binding during the term of the 2012-2014 Libertarian National Committee, and thereafter shall take the form of a non-binding recommendation which each future LNC may choose to either ignore or make binding for its term." Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee On Jun 24, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote: I move that the following be added to the Policy Manual(I don't know where it should be inserted): The Secretary shall maintain a register of all declared potential conflicts of interest by LNC members. This register will be presented and distributed to all LNC members at each regular LNC meeting. My reason: I cannot perform my duty as it regards to identifying potential conflicts of interest without a coherent list. I also cannot tell where this language should be inserted into the Policy Manual, because I don't get how and why it's structured. Geoffrey Neale _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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