LNC Electronic meeting - Friday, February 2 @ 9:00 pm Eastern
Dear All, I have received a request from Ms. Bilyeu, Mr. Redpath, Mr. Katz, Mr. Hagan, Ms. Harlos, and Ms. Van Horn for an electronic meeting to be held on Friday, February 2 at 9:00 pm Eastern to consider "the motions for censure and suspension of the Vice Chairman." Based on that, I believe the provisions of Section 1.02(7)(d) have been met. For reference, that provision states: "Electronic meetings may be called by either: •The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting." Ms. Mattson, please provide the information necessary for committee members and observers to log in to the electronic meeting. Yours truly, Nick
Mr. Chair, Per the proviso stipulate in your email below, I request CANCELATION of the electron meeting to be held on Friday, February 2 at 9:00 pm Eastern to consider "the motions for censure and suspension of the Vice Chairman." Counsel has tendered an opinion that reflects the obvious conclusion that cause for removal clearly has not been demonstrated. Further, the organizational remedy for the fact that Libertarians that have allowed themselves to be upset with Mr. Vohra's comments lies with the body that elected him, namely convention delegates. The emotional remedy lies within the individuals that are responsible for their own behavior, including their out-of-control emotions. We are not emotional and intellectual robots. Libertarians, of all people, should know that we are individually responsible for our personal emotional and intellectual (or lack thereof) behavior in response to the Vice-Chair's comments. Arvin is responsible for his own actions that were not forced upon him. Likewise, Arvin did not force his detractors to react or overreact. The blaming of Arvin for individual overreactions is just that, a human weakness to not take responsibilities for one's own behavior. Arvin-detractor overreactions have constituted the fuel for this out-of-control lynch-mob conflagration. This witch hunt inferno can be put out only at the source by each of us taking responsibility for our own actions and emotions. Sitting around blaming Arvin for our personal emotions and behavior will not bring about a rational and fair-minded solution to this matter. The mad rush for suspension is a cop-out for taking responsibility for our own emotions, as is usually the case with 'Me Too Mob' mindless pile-on bandwagon character assassinations that we witness every day in the traditional media, ad nauseum. Surely, we Libertarians are better than that. Okay, we shot ourselves in the foot. Our bad. Now, should we compound our failure and shoot ourselves in the other foot? Or should we put the gun down, deescalate, cancel the electronic meeting, return to some semblance of dignity and rationality, and get back to Libertarian business. It appears that there was some difficulty in rounding up six members to call for the electronic meeting in the first place. Perhaps a majority do not want to shoot the LNC in the other foot, If so, I call upon you to wisely and courageously request CANCELATION of the electronic meeting to stop this destructive, cruel and senseless farce; and get back to being rational, thoughtful and just Libertarians who take personal responsibility for our own behavior and feelings. Thoughts? ~David Pratt Demarest LNC Region 6 Representative -----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Sarwark Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 12:36 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: [Lnc-business] LNC Electronic meeting - Friday, February 2 @ 9:00 pm Eastern Dear All, I have received a request from Ms. Bilyeu, Mr. Redpath, Mr. Katz, Mr. Hagan, Ms. Harlos, and Ms. Van Horn for an electronic meeting to be held on Friday, February 2 at 9:00 pm Eastern to consider "the motions for censure and suspension of the Vice Chairman." Based on that, I believe the provisions of Section 1.02(7)(d) have been met. For reference, that provision states: "Electronic meetings may be called by either: •The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting." Ms. Mattson, please provide the information necessary for committee members and observers to log in to the electronic meeting. Yours truly, Nick
Unless/until the person being targeted for suspension (Arvin) proactively writes to the list and tells us that he wants the meeting to occur in order to be able to defend himself orally rather than just in writing, <b>I am joining David in requesting cancellation</b> of the electronic meeting scheduled for Friday, Feb. 2. We already have a motion for censure being voted on; if that passes and anyone still wants to pursue this further, we have an actual in-person meeting already scheduled before the convention at which members can take up the matter if they choose. If the motion for censure <i>doesn't</i> pass, it seems unlikely that a motion for removal would pass either; thus either way an electronic meeting will be a waste of our time (except of course if it is requested as a matter of due process as noted above). I'm not crazy about the Friday night timeframe either, but that's a lesser issue. Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee RealReform@earthlink.net (415) 625-FREE P.S. – Being unaware of any fix so far to the email list issues, I've experimented in this message with inserting boldface and italics tags around a phrase and a word, to see whether they render the content properly, either on the LNC list and/or in the archives for those who may be reading there. On Jan 27, 2018, at 3:49 AM, <david.demarest@lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Chair,
Per the proviso stipulate in your email below, I request CANCELATION of the electron meeting to be held on Friday, February 2 at 9:00 pm Eastern to consider "the motions for censure and suspension of the Vice Chairman."
Counsel has tendered an opinion that reflects the obvious conclusion that cause for removal clearly has not been demonstrated. Further, the organizational remedy for the fact that Libertarians that have allowed themselves to be upset with Mr. Vohra's comments lies with the body that elected him, namely convention delegates. The emotional remedy lies within the individuals that are responsible for their own behavior, including their out-of-control emotions.
We are not emotional and intellectual robots. Libertarians, of all people, should know that we are individually responsible for our personal emotional and intellectual (or lack thereof) behavior in response to the Vice-Chair's comments. Arvin is responsible for his own actions that were not forced upon him. Likewise, Arvin did not force his detractors to react or overreact. The blaming of Arvin for individual overreactions is just that, a human weakness to not take responsibilities for one's own behavior. Arvin-detractor overreactions have constituted the fuel for this out-of-control lynch-mob conflagration.
This witch hunt inferno can be put out only at the source by each of us taking responsibility for our own actions and emotions. Sitting around blaming Arvin for our personal emotions and behavior will not bring about a rational and fair-minded solution to this matter. The mad rush for suspension is a cop-out for taking responsibility for our own emotions, as is usually the case with 'Me Too Mob' mindless pile-on bandwagon character assassinations that we witness every day in the traditional media, ad nauseum. Surely, we Libertarians are better than that.
Okay, we shot ourselves in the foot. Our bad. Now, should we compound our failure and shoot ourselves in the other foot? Or should we put the gun down, deescalate, cancel the electronic meeting, return to some semblance of dignity and rationality, and get back to Libertarian business. It appears that there was some difficulty in rounding up six members to call for the electronic meeting in the first place. Perhaps a majority do not want to shoot the LNC in the other foot, If so, I call upon you to wisely and courageously request CANCELATION of the electronic meeting to stop this destructive, cruel and senseless farce; and get back to being rational, thoughtful and just Libertarians who take personal responsibility for our own behavior and feelings.
Thoughts?
~David Pratt Demarest LNC Region 6 Representative
-----Original Message----- From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Nicholas Sarwark Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 12:36 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: [Lnc-business] LNC Electronic meeting - Friday, February 2 @ 9:00 pm Eastern
Dear All,
I have received a request from Ms. Bilyeu, Mr. Redpath, Mr. Katz, Mr. Hagan, Ms. Harlos, and Ms. Van Horn for an electronic meeting to be held on Friday, February 2 at 9:00 pm Eastern to consider "the motions for censure and suspension of the Vice Chairman."
Based on that, I believe the provisions of Section 1.02(7)(d) have been met. For reference, that provision states: "Electronic meetings may be called by either: •The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting."
Ms. Mattson, please provide the information necessary for committee members and observers to log in to the electronic meeting.
Yours truly, Nick
Mr Chairman, I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for Friday, February 2nd, 2018 at 9pm eastern for the purpose of censuring and suspending Vice-Chair Arvin Vorha. Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Ed Marsh <ed.marsh@lp.org> wrote:
Chairman Sarwark,
I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for February 2.
Ed Marsh Reg 2 Rep (Florida,Tennessee,Georgia)
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair@lp.org> wrote:
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I request cancellation of the electronic meeting, scheduled to discuss action related to Mr. Vohra. On Jan 27, 2018 11:24 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <daniel.hayes@lp.org> wrote: Mr Chairman, I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for Friday, February 2nd, 2018 at 9pm eastern for the purpose of censuring and suspending Vice-Chair Arvin Vorha. Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Ed Marsh <ed.marsh@lp.org> wrote:
Chairman Sarwark,
I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for February 2.
Ed Marsh Reg 2 Rep (Florida,Tennessee,Georgia)
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair@lp.org> wrote:
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I request cancellation of the electronic meeting, scheduled to discuss action related to Mr. Vohra. On Jan 27, 2018 11:24 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <[1]daniel.hayes@lp.org> wrote: Mr Chairman, I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for Friday, February 2nd, 2018 at 9pm eastern for the purpose of censuring and suspending Vice-Chair Arvin Vorha. Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2018, at 8:47 AM, Ed Marsh <[2]ed.marsh@lp.org> wrote:
Chairman Sarwark,
I request cancellation of the electronic meeting scheduled for February 2.
Ed Marsh Reg 2 Rep (Florida,Tennessee,Georgia)
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:35 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <[3]chair@lp.org> wrote:
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References 1. mailto:daniel.hayes@lp.org 2. mailto:ed.marsh@lp.org 3. mailto:chair@lp.org
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Whitney Bilyeu