Fwd: Request for Motion to Censure
LNC, A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows: ********************************************* Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments. Blackmail definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail Fraud definition: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure. Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material: · What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members? · Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims? There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request. Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions. Respectfully yours in liberty, Guy McLendon Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana -- Arvin Vohra www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
Members, I guess you should get your popcorn out and I apologize for this sophomoric display of hurt feelings and an inability to get over things on the part of Mr. McClendon. I guess having people strip on stage isn’t embarrassing enough when the world is watching. The first thing that I want to point out is this is a motion to censure me and Ms. Adams for alleged violations. There is a request to this board to censure national dues paying members for allegations? These are the same allegations that Mr McClendon made to our Louisiana Judicial Committee. These were part of a long string of tit for tat grievances that spanned over 2 years and more. Our Judicial Committee that was then chaired by Attorney Rufus Craig, who is now currently our State Party Chairman were found to be without merit by the investigatory committee which had 4 other members of which one was also a practicing attorney. During our first meeting of our State Central Committee after our 2016 Convention, It was moved by what seemed overwhelming agreement that ALL grievances against all members of our committee be wiped clean and this new La board start with a clean slate. In this motion by Mr McClendon it talks about fraud. Let me bring up the first bit of potential fraud in this story from a chronological perspective. Ms. Adams and myself were both volunteers for the 2012 Ron Paul campaign. She had been hired for 6 weeks as the New Orleans director. When the GOP shifted the caucus they pulled out their staff from La. Ms Adams who was a New Orleans native asked to remain without pay to work with the volunteers in anticipation of our upcoming delayed caucus. That was agreed to and she continued to do so, with the plan we had told supporters all along that we were going to focus on the caucus and control the delegates to the state convention and then the national convention and nominate Ron Paul from the floor. We won 4 out of 6 districts and right under half of the delegates from one other district and all of the alternates. As per the plan we would put all “Ron Paul” delegates in the seats that we could to the National Convention. We expected to be able to do 32 out of 46 with the delegates available to us. A former right hand man of the GOP chairman who engineered cheating Ron Paul out of a grassroots caucus victory in 2008 came to the RP campaign in 2011 and said he wanted to work with him. His position was supposed to be honorary. By the end he was in charge in La. He told us that we needed to give up some of our seats to “Romney and Santorum” delegates. We fought that tooth and nail because it jeopardized our ability to nominate Ron Paul from the floor. It was also counter to what we had been told to tell volunteers and delegates that had spent collectively thousands of dollars to be delegates in the caucus. We felt that to NOT follow our plan would be a fraud on all the volunteers we had encouraged to help and to run for these delegate spots. It was for this insistence that we stick to what we promised our delegates that Ms. Adams received that letter of threat from Dimitri Kesari. As she had been a staffer for the RP campaign they had her sign a VERY lopsided agreement that would have allowed the RP campaign to sue her in another state, without even notifying her.…all because she wanted to honor and follow through on what we had sold to volunteers for 9 months. It’s ironic because she was actually attempting to PRESERVE the delegate seats the exact opposite of what that letter alludes to. Out of 35 seats Ron Paul delegates won control of only about 15 ended up being pro Ron Paul at the 2012 GOP convention because they did not follow Ms. Adams advice. This letter was given to Mr. McClendon when he was LPL Vice Chairman in a confidence. He has once again violated that for his own personal gain. This below link is to the same Dimitri Kesari that wrote that letter: http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_seco... Notice that he and the other two gentlemen mention in the letter as planning the strategy were convicted and mentioned in this recent story. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-bento... This covers that so called piece of evidence all the way to the right. called “Ron Paul 2012” Clearly some really credible fellows. The reality is Ms. Adams stood against people doing WRONG by the delegates who were INDEPENDENT of, though guided by the campaign. She was threatened by these corrupt individuals, but on this matter I think she is vindicated. I have CCed Rufus Craig, immediate past LPL Chairman Scott Lewis, Ms. Adams, Beth Vest(who was solicited for the Scott Lewis “buyout" package). I have included BetteRose Ryan as their is some allegation in here that there was some wrong doing at the convention. So this email doesn’t get too long I guess I will break it up. If this board were not public with every little thing being picked over and poured over I would probably just ignore most of this as it is clearly very subjective, vague, and childish. It is with great hesitation that I answer these spurious charges because I am aware of just how destructive this sort of thing can be. I am really at a loss that someone would do something such as this while we are trying to gain traction for our Candidates. Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
*********************************************
Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail>
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud>
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com <http://www.votevohra.com/> VoteVohra@gmail.com <mailto:VoteVohra@gmail.com> (301) 320-3634 <LNC Case Description - Violation of NAP_updated 2016 June 3.pdf><Expel James Madison - Facebook Group Chat Summer 2013.pdf><Daniel Hayes Voicemail on 8323728131 2015 early Feb.wma><Defense - allegation_buy Scott out_2016 June 3.pdf><Adrien-Monteleone-Email-about-Wendy-Adams.pdf><Ron Paul 2012 Campaign_5-24-12-letter-to-Wendy-Adams.pdf>_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
Members, Pop another bag of popcorn..this will be covering the matter regarding the letter from Mr Monteleone. Please note the dates on the screen cap I provide of his letter. Compare it to the date of the lifting of then Vice-Chairman Lewis’ suspension. Also, pay attention to the quorum requirement that the LPL was operating under at the time. "Special Rule 3.4. A quorum for any subsequent State Central Committee meeting shall be three-eighths of the actual members of the State Central Committee without regard tovacant positions, and must include either the Chairman or Vice-Chairman, and the Secretary.” Without the Secretary, the LPL was unable to have quorum. This plays a major role later in this email. I had been elected to the LPL board at a local caucus on 4/04/13 and we had a LPL SCC meeting on 4/13/13. Below there are a series of screen caps that show the chronology of events. Mr Lewis Suspension lifted. This was followed by our Secretary Mr Reed Ebarb suddenly resigning the following day. The announcement of the NOT hiring again of the wildly popular executive director. The chairman announcing the meeting cancelled and then tendering his own resignation. As Mr Ebarb and Mr Monteleone had led that witch hunt, It was clearly retaliation against the board. This was the 2nd time Mr Monteleone had resigned from a position of leadership suddenly. He had resigned after failing to get Bob Barr on the ballot in La. As to Mr. Monteleone’s claims of lack of money. I had pledged $2000 to help fund the effort and two members had pledged $1000 each, along with a lot of smaller amounts. Also note that Ms Adams was hired as an independent contractor. Mr. Monteleone was probably violating the definition of and IC by attempting to tell Ms Adams how to accomplish her job instead of simply what to accomplish as her job. When she started forming Parish Executive Committees, Ms Adams was getting much praise and I think there may have been some jealously. Either way she worked for over 2 years after this under multiple contract renewals. This is the Screen cap of the letter Mr McClendon included as “evidence” against Ms Adams showing the date it was sent to the LPL email system. We met and with the assistance of Parliamentarian Richard Brown, who I personally hired to advise me on this difficult matter(Which frankly seemed like willful sabotage by some members that did not get their way.) we had a productive meeting and appointed all the necessary officers. My apologies for this email as well. Daniel Hayes LNC At Large
On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:09 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com> wrote:
Members,
I guess you should get your popcorn out and I apologize for this sophomoric display of hurt feelings and an inability to get over things on the part of Mr. McClendon. I guess having people strip on stage isn’t embarrassing enough when the world is watching. The first thing that I want to point out is this is a motion to censure me and Ms. Adams for alleged violations. There is a request to this board to censure national dues paying members for allegations? These are the same allegations that Mr McClendon made to our Louisiana Judicial Committee. These were part of a long string of tit for tat grievances that spanned over 2 years and more. Our Judicial Committee that was then chaired by Attorney Rufus Craig, who is now currently our State Party Chairman were found to be without merit by the investigatory committee which had 4 other members of which one was also a practicing attorney. During our first meeting of our State Central Committee after our 2016 Convention, It was moved by what seemed overwhelming agreement that ALL grievances against all members of our committee be wiped clean and this new La board start with a clean slate.
In this motion by Mr McClendon it talks about fraud. Let me bring up the first bit of potential fraud in this story from a chronological perspective. Ms. Adams and myself were both volunteers for the 2012 Ron Paul campaign. She had been hired for 6 weeks as the New Orleans director. When the GOP shifted the caucus they pulled out their staff from La. Ms Adams who was a New Orleans native asked to remain without pay to work with the volunteers in anticipation of our upcoming delayed caucus. That was agreed to and she continued to do so, with the plan we had told supporters all along that we were going to focus on the caucus and control the delegates to the state convention and then the national convention and nominate Ron Paul from the floor. We won 4 out of 6 districts and right under half of the delegates from one other district and all of the alternates. As per the plan we would put all “Ron Paul” delegates in the seats that we could to the National Convention. We expected to be able to do 32 out of 46 with the delegates available to us. A former right hand man of the GOP chairman who engineered cheating Ron Paul out of a grassroots caucus victory in 2008 came to the RP campaign in 2011 and said he wanted to work with him. His position was supposed to be honorary. By the end he was in charge in La. He told us that we needed to give up some of our seats to “Romney and Santorum” delegates. We fought that tooth and nail because it jeopardized our ability to nominate Ron Paul from the floor. It was also counter to what we had been told to tell volunteers and delegates that had spent collectively thousands of dollars to be delegates in the caucus. We felt that to NOT follow our plan would be a fraud on all the volunteers we had encouraged to help and to run for these delegate spots. It was for this insistence that we stick to what we promised our delegates that Ms. Adams received that letter of threat from Dimitri Kesari. As she had been a staffer for the RP campaign they had her sign a VERY lopsided agreement that would have allowed the RP campaign to sue her in another state, without even notifying her.…all because she wanted to honor and follow through on what we had sold to volunteers for 9 months. It’s ironic because she was actually attempting to PRESERVE the delegate seats the exact opposite of what that letter alludes to. Out of 35 seats Ron Paul delegates won control of only about 15 ended up being pro Ron Paul at the 2012 GOP convention because they did not follow Ms. Adams advice. This letter was given to Mr. McClendon when he was LPL Vice Chairman in a confidence. He has once again violated that for his own personal gain. This below link is to the same Dimitri Kesari that wrote that letter:
http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_seco... <http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_second_federal_corruption_trial432>
Notice that he and the other two gentlemen mention in the letter as planning the strategy were convicted and mentioned in this recent story.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-bento... <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-benton-john-tate-dimitrios/>
This covers that so called piece of evidence all the way to the right. called “Ron Paul 2012” Clearly some really credible fellows. The reality is Ms. Adams stood against people doing WRONG by the delegates who were INDEPENDENT of, though guided by the campaign. She was threatened by these corrupt individuals, but on this matter I think she is vindicated.
I have CCed Rufus Craig, immediate past LPL Chairman Scott Lewis, Ms. Adams, Beth Vest(who was solicited for the Scott Lewis “buyout" package). I have included BetteRose Ryan as their is some allegation in here that there was some wrong doing at the convention. So this email doesn’t get too long I guess I will break it up. If this board were not public with every little thing being picked over and poured over I would probably just ignore most of this as it is clearly very subjective, vague, and childish. It is with great hesitation that I answer these spurious charges because I am aware of just how destructive this sort of thing can be. I am really at a loss that someone would do something such as this while we are trying to gain traction for our Candidates.
Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com <mailto:votevohra@gmail.com>> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
*********************************************
Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail>
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud>
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com <http://www.votevohra.com/> VoteVohra@gmail.com <mailto:VoteVohra@gmail.com> (301) 320-3634 <LNC Case Description - Violation of NAP_updated 2016 June 3.pdf><Expel James Madison - Facebook Group Chat Summer 2013.pdf><Daniel Hayes Voicemail on 8323728131 2015 early Feb.wma><Defense - allegation_buy Scott out_2016 June 3.pdf><Adrien-Monteleone-Email-about-Wendy-Adams.pdf><Ron Paul 2012 Campaign_5-24-12-letter-to-Wendy-Adams.pdf>_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org <mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
I have tried to follow this and am thus far baffled. I kept waiting for something that had to do with things within the LNC's authority either by black letter bylaw or policy or custom, but I cannot find it other than a vague allegation about the Convention. Most of this seems to be either the business of the Republican Party or the LA affiliate and not within our purview. Is it some complaint that there was a violation of our national NAP membership pledge? While I have been someone in the past that has negatively noted that we put no teeth behind this, even I don't see in this situation - taking all allegations as true just for the sake of argument - that we would be the ones to do the biting. These seem to be an LA affiliate matter and the business and purview of said affiliate. This is a long way of saying - in considering whether anyone should co-sponsor such a motion - before we even tried to get to judgement on facts - do we even have the jurisdiction to do so? Do we want it? It does not appear to me that we do. Yes I suppose under Roberts we have it- but is it the intent of this Body to get involved in censuring actions that do not directly involve the affairs of the national party, have been handled by an affiliate, and are not of such broad explosive potential ("so and so found guilty of serial killing spree") that action by the LNC is absolutely necessary? How does this uniquely touch national in such a way our involvement is needed above and beyond that of the LA affiliate? On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com> wrote:
Members,
Pop another bag of popcorn..this will be covering the matter regarding the letter from Mr Monteleone. Please note the dates on the screen cap I provide of his letter. Compare it to the date of the lifting of then Vice-Chairman Lewis’ suspension. Also, pay attention to the quorum requirement that the LPL was operating under at the time.
*"Special Rule 3.4.* *A quorum for any subsequent State Central Committee meeting shall be three-eighths of the actual members of the State Central Committee without regard tovacant positions, and must include either the Chairman or Vice-Chairman, and the Secretary.” *
Without the Secretary, the LPL was unable to have quorum. This plays a major role later in this email. I had been elected to the LPL board at a local caucus on 4/04/13 and we had a LPL SCC meeting on 4/13/13.
Below there are a series of screen caps that show the chronology of events. Mr Lewis Suspension lifted. This was followed by our Secretary Mr Reed Ebarb suddenly resigning the following day. The announcement of the NOT hiring again of the wildly popular executive director. The chairman announcing the meeting cancelled and then tendering his own resignation. As Mr Ebarb and Mr Monteleone had led that witch hunt, It was clearly retaliation against the board. This was the 2nd time Mr Monteleone had resigned from a position of leadership suddenly. He had resigned after failing to get Bob Barr on the ballot in La. As to Mr. Monteleone’s claims of lack of money. I had pledged $2000 to help fund the effort and two members had pledged $1000 each, along with a lot of smaller amounts. Also note that Ms Adams was hired as an independent contractor. Mr. Monteleone was probably violating the definition of and IC by attempting to tell Ms Adams how to accomplish her job instead of simply what to accomplish as her job. When she started forming Parish Executive Committees, Ms Adams was getting much praise and I think there may have been some jealously. Either way she worked for over 2 years after this under multiple contract renewals.
*This is the Screen cap of the letter Mr McClendon included as “evidence” against Ms Adams showing the date it was sent to the LPL email system.*
We met and with the assistance of Parliamentarian Richard Brown, who I personally hired to advise me on this difficult matter(Which frankly seemed like willful sabotage by some members that did not get their way.) we had a productive meeting and appointed all the necessary officers.
My apologies for this email as well.
Daniel Hayes LNC At Large
On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:09 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danielehayes@icloud.com');>> wrote:
Members,
I guess you should get your popcorn out and I apologize for this sophomoric display of hurt feelings and an inability to get over things on the part of Mr. McClendon. I guess having people strip on stage isn’t embarrassing enough when the world is watching. The first thing that I want to point out is this is a motion to censure me and Ms. Adams for alleged violations. There is a request to this board to censure national dues paying members for allegations? These are the same allegations that Mr McClendon made to our Louisiana Judicial Committee. These were part of a long string of tit for tat grievances that spanned over 2 years and more. Our Judicial Committee that was then chaired by Attorney Rufus Craig, who is now currently our State Party Chairman were found to be without merit by the investigatory committee which had 4 other members of which one was also a practicing attorney. During our first meeting of our State Central Committee after our 2016 Convention, It was moved by what seemed overwhelming agreement that ALL grievances against all members of our committee be wiped clean and this new La board start with a clean slate.
In this motion by Mr McClendon it talks about fraud. Let me bring up the first bit of potential fraud in this story from a chronological perspective. Ms. Adams and myself were both volunteers for the 2012 Ron Paul campaign. She had been hired for 6 weeks as the New Orleans director. When the GOP shifted the caucus they pulled out their staff from La. Ms Adams who was a New Orleans native asked to remain without pay to work with the volunteers in anticipation of our upcoming delayed caucus. That was agreed to and she continued to do so, with the plan we had told supporters all along that we were going to focus on the caucus and control the delegates to the state convention and then the national convention and nominate Ron Paul from the floor. We won 4 out of 6 districts and right under half of the delegates from one other district and all of the alternates. As per the plan we would put all “Ron Paul” delegates in the seats that we could to the National Convention. We expected to be able to do 32 out of 46 with the delegates available to us. A former right hand man of the GOP chairman who engineered cheating Ron Paul out of a grassroots caucus victory in 2008 came to the RP campaign in 2011 and said he wanted to work with him. His position was supposed to be honorary. By the end he was in charge in La. He told us that we needed to give up some of our seats to “Romney and Santorum” delegates. We fought that tooth and nail because it jeopardized our ability to nominate Ron Paul from the floor. It was also counter to what we had been told to tell volunteers and delegates that had spent collectively thousands of dollars to be delegates in the caucus. We felt that to NOT follow our plan would be a fraud on all the volunteers we had encouraged to help and to run for these delegate spots. It was for this insistence that we stick to what we promised our delegates that Ms. Adams received that letter of threat from Dimitri Kesari. As she had been a staffer for the RP campaign they had her sign a VERY lopsided agreement that would have allowed the RP campaign to sue her in another state, without even notifying her.…all because she wanted to honor and follow through on what we had sold to volunteers for 9 months. It’s ironic because she was actually attempting to PRESERVE the delegate seats the exact opposite of what that letter alludes to. Out of 35 seats Ron Paul delegates won control of only about 15 ended up being pro Ron Paul at the 2012 GOP convention because they did not follow Ms. Adams advice. This letter was given to Mr. McClendon when he was LPL Vice Chairman in a confidence. He has once again violated that for his own personal gain. This below link is to the same Dimitri Kesari that wrote that letter:
http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_seco...
Notice that he and the other two gentlemen mention in the letter as planning the strategy were convicted and mentioned in this recent story.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-bento...
This covers that so called piece of evidence all the way to the right. called “Ron Paul 2012” Clearly some really credible fellows. The reality is Ms. Adams stood against people doing WRONG by the delegates who were INDEPENDENT of, though guided by the campaign. She was threatened by these corrupt individuals, but on this matter I think she is vindicated.
I have CCed Rufus Craig, immediate past LPL Chairman Scott Lewis, Ms. Adams, Beth Vest(who was solicited for the Scott Lewis “buyout" package). I have included BetteRose Ryan as their is some allegation in here that there was some wrong doing at the convention. So this email doesn’t get too long I guess I will break it up. If this board were not public with every little thing being picked over and poured over I would probably just ignore most of this as it is clearly very subjective, vague, and childish. It is with great hesitation that I answer these spurious charges because I am aware of just how destructive this sort of thing can be. I am really at a loss that someone would do something such as this while we are trying to gain traction for our Candidates.
Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','votevohra@gmail.com');>> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
*********************************************
Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
-- Arvin Vohra
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Apologies, I will address Mr McClendon’s Defense of Allegation of Buy Out. Beth Vest could be inquired of on this matter. She was one of the people that was solicited . If you simply read Mr. McClendon’s account, It sounds pretty shady, and as he mentions, in our initial conversation about this, I told him as much. Upon further reflection after hanging up the phone, as the realization that the person I supported for a position was probably the wrong choice dawned on me and I allowed myself to fully see how bad what he was suggesting was. I knew i wanted nothing to do with it and began to voice that concern to others. Mr. McClendon had been brought it because he had a long resume and we thought he was a peace maker. As this grievance which has been rejected by the LPL Judicial Committee, the LPL as a whole, the Chairman of Region 7, the previous term LNC Judicial Committee. When does this stop? Clearly, Mr. McClendon has no concept of what making peace actually means. Please pay attention to this included Screen cap of a text message with Guy McClendon and Ms. Adams. It makes reference to Scott’s package. Not money for outreach. PACKAGE. The following may be related to the package or this may be more of the stick as opposed to the carat for Guy to achieve his goal and get Scott to step down as Chair. What you have read was Mr McClendon who was brought in to help smooth things out and allow the Chairman who’s health was not great the ability to feel comfortable and resign. That security was never given because of the above demonstrated attitude. Just illustrating a pattern of a certain type of behavior below. Sorry Folks. I really wish this all had not been sent here like this like some Facebook fight. I will wait till it filters down to LNC discuss to address the rest of it . Daniel Hayes LNC At Large
On Jun 16, 2016, at 5:19 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com> wrote:
Members,
Pop another bag of popcorn..this will be covering the matter regarding the letter from Mr Monteleone. Please note the dates on the screen cap I provide of his letter. Compare it to the date of the lifting of then Vice-Chairman Lewis’ suspension. Also, pay attention to the quorum requirement that the LPL was operating under at the time.
"Special Rule 3.4. A quorum for any subsequent State Central Committee meeting shall be three-eighths of the actual members of the State Central Committee without regard tovacant positions, and must include either the Chairman or Vice-Chairman, and the Secretary.”
Without the Secretary, the LPL was unable to have quorum. This plays a major role later in this email. I had been elected to the LPL board at a local caucus on 4/04/13 and we had a LPL SCC meeting on 4/13/13.
Below there are a series of screen caps that show the chronology of events. Mr Lewis Suspension lifted. This was followed by our Secretary Mr Reed Ebarb suddenly resigning the following day. The announcement of the NOT hiring again of the wildly popular executive director. The chairman announcing the meeting cancelled and then tendering his own resignation. As Mr Ebarb and Mr Monteleone had led that witch hunt, It was clearly retaliation against the board. This was the 2nd time Mr Monteleone had resigned from a position of leadership suddenly. He had resigned after failing to get Bob Barr on the ballot in La. As to Mr. Monteleone’s claims of lack of money. I had pledged $2000 to help fund the effort and two members had pledged $1000 each, along with a lot of smaller amounts. Also note that Ms Adams was hired as an independent contractor. Mr. Monteleone was probably violating the definition of and IC by attempting to tell Ms Adams how to accomplish her job instead of simply what to accomplish as her job. When she started forming Parish Executive Committees, Ms Adams was getting much praise and I think there may have been some jealously. Either way she worked for over 2 years after this under multiple contract renewals.
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This is the Screen cap of the letter Mr McClendon included as “evidence” against Ms Adams showing the date it was sent to the LPL email system.
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We met and with the assistance of Parliamentarian Richard Brown, who I personally hired to advise me on this difficult matter(Which frankly seemed like willful sabotage by some members that did not get their way.) we had a productive meeting and appointed all the necessary officers.
My apologies for this email as well.
Daniel Hayes LNC At Large
On Jun 16, 2016, at 4:09 AM, Daniel Hayes <danielehayes@icloud.com <mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com>> wrote:
Members,
I guess you should get your popcorn out and I apologize for this sophomoric display of hurt feelings and an inability to get over things on the part of Mr. McClendon. I guess having people strip on stage isn’t embarrassing enough when the world is watching. The first thing that I want to point out is this is a motion to censure me and Ms. Adams for alleged violations. There is a request to this board to censure national dues paying members for allegations? These are the same allegations that Mr McClendon made to our Louisiana Judicial Committee. These were part of a long string of tit for tat grievances that spanned over 2 years and more. Our Judicial Committee that was then chaired by Attorney Rufus Craig, who is now currently our State Party Chairman were found to be without merit by the investigatory committee which had 4 other members of which one was also a practicing attorney. During our first meeting of our State Central Committee after our 2016 Convention, It was moved by what seemed overwhelming agreement that ALL grievances against all members of our committee be wiped clean and this new La board start with a clean slate.
In this motion by Mr McClendon it talks about fraud. Let me bring up the first bit of potential fraud in this story from a chronological perspective. Ms. Adams and myself were both volunteers for the 2012 Ron Paul campaign. She had been hired for 6 weeks as the New Orleans director. When the GOP shifted the caucus they pulled out their staff from La. Ms Adams who was a New Orleans native asked to remain without pay to work with the volunteers in anticipation of our upcoming delayed caucus. That was agreed to and she continued to do so, with the plan we had told supporters all along that we were going to focus on the caucus and control the delegates to the state convention and then the national convention and nominate Ron Paul from the floor. We won 4 out of 6 districts and right under half of the delegates from one other district and all of the alternates. As per the plan we would put all “Ron Paul” delegates in the seats that we could to the National Convention. We expected to be able to do 32 out of 46 with the delegates available to us. A former right hand man of the GOP chairman who engineered cheating Ron Paul out of a grassroots caucus victory in 2008 came to the RP campaign in 2011 and said he wanted to work with him. His position was supposed to be honorary. By the end he was in charge in La. He told us that we needed to give up some of our seats to “Romney and Santorum” delegates. We fought that tooth and nail because it jeopardized our ability to nominate Ron Paul from the floor. It was also counter to what we had been told to tell volunteers and delegates that had spent collectively thousands of dollars to be delegates in the caucus. We felt that to NOT follow our plan would be a fraud on all the volunteers we had encouraged to help and to run for these delegate spots. It was for this insistence that we stick to what we promised our delegates that Ms. Adams received that letter of threat from Dimitri Kesari. As she had been a staffer for the RP campaign they had her sign a VERY lopsided agreement that would have allowed the RP campaign to sue her in another state, without even notifying her.…all because she wanted to honor and follow through on what we had sold to volunteers for 9 months. It’s ironic because she was actually attempting to PRESERVE the delegate seats the exact opposite of what that letter alludes to. Out of 35 seats Ron Paul delegates won control of only about 15 ended up being pro Ron Paul at the 2012 GOP convention because they did not follow Ms. Adams advice. This letter was given to Mr. McClendon when he was LPL Vice Chairman in a confidence. He has once again violated that for his own personal gain. This below link is to the same Dimitri Kesari that wrote that letter:
http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_seco... <http://www.loudountimes.com/news/article/dimitri_kesari_found_guilty_in_second_federal_corruption_trial432>
Notice that he and the other two gentlemen mention in the letter as planning the strategy were convicted and mentioned in this recent story.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-bento... <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/5/ron-paul-staffers-jesse-benton-john-tate-dimitrios/>
This covers that so called piece of evidence all the way to the right. called “Ron Paul 2012” Clearly some really credible fellows. The reality is Ms. Adams stood against people doing WRONG by the delegates who were INDEPENDENT of, though guided by the campaign. She was threatened by these corrupt individuals, but on this matter I think she is vindicated.
I have CCed Rufus Craig, immediate past LPL Chairman Scott Lewis, Ms. Adams, Beth Vest(who was solicited for the Scott Lewis “buyout" package). I have included BetteRose Ryan as their is some allegation in here that there was some wrong doing at the convention. So this email doesn’t get too long I guess I will break it up. If this board were not public with every little thing being picked over and poured over I would probably just ignore most of this as it is clearly very subjective, vague, and childish. It is with great hesitation that I answer these spurious charges because I am aware of just how destructive this sort of thing can be. I am really at a loss that someone would do something such as this while we are trying to gain traction for our Candidates.
Daniel Hayes LNC At Large Member
On Jun 16, 2016, at 12:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com <mailto:votevohra@gmail.com>> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
*********************************************
Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail>
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud <http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud>
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
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All, While only an alternate in this body, I am personally very concerned with party unity and cooperation. Therefore, I have read over the initial request for a motion of censure, and while I personally respect Mr. McClendon a great deal, I currently fail to see why LP National needs to take action. This sounds like a state affiliate issue. We are all keenly aware of what can happen when the LNC steps into the affairs of a state affiliate. This sort of action should only ever be a last resort. In that regard, I do hope that the state affiliate can find a peaceful resolution to this issue. We don't have enough support to be pushing people away. --- Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee
All, I am as upset at Mr. Week's actions as anyone. However I strongly agree with Mr. Demarest. We should be focused on Ballot Access, especially with Illinois in crisis. Thanks, Patrick McKnight Region 8 Rep On Jun 16, 2016 9:48 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
All,
While only an alternate in this body, I am personally very concerned with party unity and cooperation. Therefore, I have read over the initial request for a motion of censure, and while I personally respect Mr. McClendon a great deal, I currently fail to see why LP National needs to take action. This sounds like a state affiliate issue.
We are all keenly aware of what can happen when the LNC steps into the affairs of a state affiliate. This sort of action should only ever be a last resort.
In that regard, I do hope that the state affiliate can find a peaceful resolution to this issue. We don't have enough support to be pushing people away. ---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee
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This seems to be a Louisiana issue, rather than an LNC issue. Let's focus on the work we have rather than expanding our scope to include what is clearly something that should remain in the realm of the LPL. Brett C. Bittner brett@brettbittner.com 404.492.6524 "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Patrick McKnight < patrick.joseph.mcknight@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I am as upset at Mr. Week's actions as anyone. However I strongly agree with Mr. Demarest. We should be focused on Ballot Access, especially with Illinois in crisis.
Thanks, Patrick McKnight Region 8 Rep On Jun 16, 2016 9:48 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
All,
While only an alternate in this body, I am personally very concerned with party unity and cooperation. Therefore, I have read over the initial request for a motion of censure, and while I personally respect Mr. McClendon a great deal, I currently fail to see why LP National needs to take action. This sounds like a state affiliate issue.
We are all keenly aware of what can happen when the LNC steps into the affairs of a state affiliate. This sort of action should only ever be a last resort.
In that regard, I do hope that the state affiliate can find a peaceful resolution to this issue. We don't have enough support to be pushing people away. ---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee
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I agree, it's a State issue. Let's focus on ballot access. Patrick McKnight Region 8 Rep On Jun 16, 2016 10:17 AM, "Brett Bittner" <brett@brettbittner.com> wrote:
This seems to be a Louisiana issue, rather than an LNC issue.
Let's focus on the work we have rather than expanding our scope to include what is clearly something that should remain in the realm of the LPL.
Brett C. Bittner
brett@brettbittner.com 404.492.6524
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Patrick McKnight < patrick.joseph.mcknight@gmail.com> wrote:
All,
I am as upset at Mr. Week's actions as anyone. However I strongly agree with Mr. Demarest. We should be focused on Ballot Access, especially with Illinois in crisis.
Thanks, Patrick McKnight Region 8 Rep On Jun 16, 2016 9:48 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
All,
While only an alternate in this body, I am personally very concerned with party unity and cooperation. Therefore, I have read over the initial request for a motion of censure, and while I personally respect Mr. McClendon a great deal, I currently fail to see why LP National needs to take action. This sounds like a state affiliate issue.
We are all keenly aware of what can happen when the LNC steps into the affairs of a state affiliate. This sort of action should only ever be a last resort.
In that regard, I do hope that the state affiliate can find a peaceful resolution to this issue. We don't have enough support to be pushing people away. ---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee
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Good grief, don’t we have better things to do during this election year. Without examining the merits of this motion, I can’t think of a better way to shoot ourselves in the foot! The sensible time and place to consider this motion is after the election when calm, cool and collected wisdom can be brought to bear on this issue. Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE! The War on Cronyism Begins Now! ~David Pratt Demarest Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee David.Demarest@LP.org <mailto:David.Demarest@LP.org> Secretary@LPNE.org <mailto:Secretary@LPNE.org> DPDemarest@centurylink.net <mailto:DPDemarest@centurylink.net> David.Demarest@firstdata.com <mailto:David.Demarest@firstdata.com> http://www.LP.org http://www.LPNE.org Cell: 402-981-6469 Home: 402-493-0873 Office: 402-222-7207 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Vohra Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 12:29 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Subject: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for Motion to Censure LNC, A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows: ********************************************* Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments. Blackmail definition: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail Fraud definition: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure. Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material: * What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members? * Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims? There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request. Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions. Respectfully yours in liberty, Guy McLendon Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana -- Arvin Vohra www.VoteVohra.com <http://www.VoteVohra.com> VoteVohra@gmail.com <mailto:VoteVohra@gmail.com> (301) 320-3634
When I was a pre-teen, I recall forming a club with a few friends. One of our favorite activities, so far as I can remember, was kicking each other out the club. Ayn Rand had a similar club in NY. Fast forward a few decades, and that's all in the past. Now I join organizations that are serious about their missions and accomplishments, not petty infighting well described by the famous line "the fights are so vicious because the stakes are so low." Or, at least, that's what I could hope, but apparently that hope was false. Do you know what the currently-running promo for Steele and Ungar is? They usually run ads focusing on their theme of "we often disagree, but sometimes we agree, and we're always civil." Currently they are illustrating that by running an ad with a voice-over about how they don't always argue, and clips of various discussions they've had about Gary Johnson and the LP, where they agreed - both were positive, both express a desire to have Johnson in the debates, and both demand that he be included in polls. Meanwhile, Julie Mason did a full hour on her show last week about the LP. Smerconish just the other day did a poll question - who is most likely to be the next VP? - and prominently highlighted Weld when discussing the options. (Side note: Smerconish said this morning that he had invited Johnson and Weld to do an event with him and hadn't heard back, if someone can pass that message on to the campaign.) The nation is crying out for more options. Disgust with the 2 criminal parties has never been higher. Polling data shows that people want a more tolerant social policy (not more liberal) and a more responsible fiscal policy (not more conservative). Meanwhile, those in office, and the candidates from the criminal parties, continue to push for more control and less tolerance, every chance they get. I oppose most gun control measures, as do we all, but I'm far more concerned about current attempts to push for the elimination of due process - which is the only way to get the right on board with gun control: tie it into destruction of rights for the accused, or to hatred of whatever group it is in vogue to hate. Every event is immediately answered with loud debate over whose rights to take away, and how. This is the perfect storm - a disparity between the rulers and the ruled, a social milieu coming our direction, anger at the status quo. It is our job, as a board, to position that party to ride the current interest past the Presidential election. We have to turn the roof that is being blown at us into a foundation without letting our walls collapse. This is important work, it is hard work, and it requires our primary attention. However, it is getting short shrift. To an extent, this is understandable, since we have time-critical ballot access concerns that are keeping most of us, thankfully, away from our keyboards and out doing productive things. It is less understandable if we're going to set aside board governance tasks for...whatever this is. As Caryn said, I see little to nothing here that has anything to do with the LNC. Although few have noticed (cough), there's some disagreement about how to handle certain other states. We can all agree on one fundamental premise, though - the LNC has nothing to say, other than to disaffiliate a party, about the internal affairs of an affiliate that do not impact the affiliate's relationship with the LNC. Nothing that I can see here has any bearing on the relationship between LA and the LNC. There are two things, though, that I wish to comment on anyway. First, I am offended to see Richard Brown described as "Republican Brown." There are two implications here, both of them offensive. Richard, who was the parliamentarian for our national convention and did a great job, is being labeled with his party affiliation, as a means of suggesting that he's some sort of infiltrator. He is nothing of the sort, and this blatant attack on his professional impartiality is not just offensive, it also embarrassing. The second implication is an attack on the parliamentary profession, implying that the politics of a parliamentarian color their advice. This would imply that we have to always use Libertarian parliamentarians, which is crude and reductive. Second, I have no idea why, among these complaints, is listed the fact that a campaign leader of some sort from another party felt that Wendy Adams was interfering with their campaign. We get that all the time - they usually claim that we're messing things up for them by, well, existing. Why on earth would this party ever be asked to censure someone for harming a campaign within a rival party - and with no evidence other than a complaint letter? Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat) On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
*********************************************
Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
-- Arvin Vohra
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To add to something from Joshua, I believe I know Richard, the Parliamentarian, and he donated personal time to counsel me on some tricky parliamentary questions I had and helped us in CO navigate some hurdles. Joshua is right. We don't smear good people simple because we disagree with their Party affiliations. Richard has been great in mentoring me. On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty@gmail.com> wrote:
When I was a pre-teen, I recall forming a club with a few friends. One of our favorite activities, so far as I can remember, was kicking each other out the club. Ayn Rand had a similar club in NY.
Fast forward a few decades, and that's all in the past. Now I join organizations that are serious about their missions and accomplishments, not petty infighting well described by the famous line "the fights are so vicious because the stakes are so low." Or, at least, that's what I could hope, but apparently that hope was false.
Do you know what the currently-running promo for Steele and Ungar is? They usually run ads focusing on their theme of "we often disagree, but sometimes we agree, and we're always civil." Currently they are illustrating that by running an ad with a voice-over about how they don't always argue, and clips of various discussions they've had about Gary Johnson and the LP, where they agreed - both were positive, both express a desire to have Johnson in the debates, and both demand that he be included in polls.
Meanwhile, Julie Mason did a full hour on her show last week about the LP. Smerconish just the other day did a poll question - who is most likely to be the next VP? - and prominently highlighted Weld when discussing the options. (Side note: Smerconish said this morning that he had invited Johnson and Weld to do an event with him and hadn't heard back, if someone can pass that message on to the campaign.)
The nation is crying out for more options. Disgust with the 2 criminal parties has never been higher. Polling data shows that people want a more tolerant social policy (not more liberal) and a more responsible fiscal policy (not more conservative). Meanwhile, those in office, and the candidates from the criminal parties, continue to push for more control and less tolerance, every chance they get. I oppose most gun control measures, as do we all, but I'm far more concerned about current attempts to push for the elimination of due process - which is the only way to get the right on board with gun control: tie it into destruction of rights for the accused, or to hatred of whatever group it is in vogue to hate. Every event is immediately answered with loud debate over whose rights to take away, and how.
This is the perfect storm - a disparity between the rulers and the ruled, a social milieu coming our direction, anger at the status quo. It is our job, as a board, to position that party to ride the current interest past the Presidential election. We have to turn the roof that is being blown at us into a foundation without letting our walls collapse. This is important work, it is hard work, and it requires our primary attention. However, it is getting short shrift. To an extent, this is understandable, since we have time-critical ballot access concerns that are keeping most of us, thankfully, away from our keyboards and out doing productive things. It is less understandable if we're going to set aside board governance tasks for...whatever this is.
As Caryn said, I see little to nothing here that has anything to do with the LNC. Although few have noticed (cough), there's some disagreement about how to handle certain other states. We can all agree on one fundamental premise, though - the LNC has nothing to say, other than to disaffiliate a party, about the internal affairs of an affiliate that do not impact the affiliate's relationship with the LNC. Nothing that I can see here has any bearing on the relationship between LA and the LNC.
There are two things, though, that I wish to comment on anyway. First, I am offended to see Richard Brown described as "Republican Brown." There are two implications here, both of them offensive. Richard, who was the parliamentarian for our national convention and did a great job, is being labeled with his party affiliation, as a means of suggesting that he's some sort of infiltrator. He is nothing of the sort, and this blatant attack on his professional impartiality is not just offensive, it also embarrassing. The second implication is an attack on the parliamentary profession, implying that the politics of a parliamentarian color their advice. This would imply that we have to always use Libertarian parliamentarians, which is crude and reductive.
Second, I have no idea why, among these complaints, is listed the fact that a campaign leader of some sort from another party felt that Wendy Adams was interfering with their campaign. We get that all the time - they usually claim that we're messing things up for them by, well, existing. Why on earth would this party ever be asked to censure someone for harming a campaign within a rival party - and with no evidence other than a complaint letter?
Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 1:28 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
LNC,
A request has been made from Guy McLendon, a former LNC member and current LP member to put forth this motion to censure. In my role as a member of the LNC, I am forwarding this motion to be considered by mail ballot. I believe that it requires 3 additional cosponsors to go to a mail ballot. If you wish to cosponsor this motion for it to be considered by mail ballot, please indicate that to this list. The motion and supporting information follows:
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Please motion on my behalf: “Based upon evidence provided in the case ‘McLendon vs Hayes & Adams’, motion to censure Hayes for alleged blackmail, fraud and violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression, and to censure Adams for alleged violations of the Libertarian principle of non-aggression.” Please forward this message to the LNC in its entirety with six attachments.
Blackmail definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=blackmail
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/blackmail
Fraud definition:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fraud
When a LP member believes a credible risk is present that could threaten the integrity of our organization, and even the integrity of some aspects of our conventions, that member has a duty to blow the proverbial whistle. It’s my hope that you, the LNC & our members don’t condemn this messenger for requesting a motion to censure.
Please consider these general questions about our organization when reviewing this material:
· What's the value in having the pledge of non-aggression if we lack an internal judicial system capable of handling gross violations of the NAP against our own members?
· Is the public court system the only recourse to LP internal victims?
There are features of our recent 2016 National Convention that I perceive as very troublesome, but at this time I have insufficient hard evidence upon which to issue a formal complaint. However, in convention planning meetings & teleconferences bullying tactics such as elevated voice levels have the potential to improperly influence decision making processes. Corroborating information is available upon request.
Please protect the integrity of the LNC, and our national conventions.
Respectfully yours in liberty,
Guy McLendon
Chairman Calcasieu Parish Louisiana
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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Arvin Vohra -
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Daniel Hayes -
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Joshua Katz -
Ken Moellman -
Patrick McKnight