Correct. Except the one that allows him to cancel once he has killed all interest - the question he will not be straight about. I had busted ass to get language in once he refused to negotiate including being at a CoC call without saying a damn word and signing off petutantly midway through without a word. People can believe the smoke or not. One thing that has come out of this whole thing is that people actually read this list now and I will be posting far and wide a link again how to do it. It doesn't take much common sense to realize when this much of the LNC is opposed to the chair, it is not about vendettas. In fact most of us were very good friends, and grieve the loss. I never in a million years thought I would have such opposition to Nick. I am not one of the old guard. I was recruited to run against Alicia by Nick. I was a confidante. It took a lot to turn me agaInst me, and it is all of his own doing. Open your eyes members. The Libertarian swamp is real, and it is revolting. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:51 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
And if you want to see something truly gross, and this is where my eyes were opened, go back, to the Lauren Daugherty affair where he is the cause of her leaving, delayed telling the LNC in order to create a "crisis," and then tried to get her job! And voted to give himself $75/hour!!! And lied about doing everything he could to keep her. That is when the goat rodeo started. And things have only gotten worse from there. Wake up, members. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:58 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Correct. Except the one that allows him to cancel once he has killed all interest - the question he will not be straight about. I had busted ass to get language in once he refused to negotiate including being at a CoC call without saying a damn word and signing off petutantly midway through without a word.
People can believe the smoke or not. One thing that has come out of this whole thing is that people actually read this list now and I will be posting far and wide a link again how to do it.
It doesn't take much common sense to realize when this much of the LNC is opposed to the chair, it is not about vendettas. In fact most of us were very good friends, and grieve the loss. I never in a million years thought I would have such opposition to Nick. I am not one of the old guard. I was recruited to run against Alicia by Nick. I was a confidante. It took a lot to turn me agaInst me, and it is all of his own doing.
Open your eyes members. The Libertarian swamp is real, and it is revolting.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:51 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
I agree in criteria. I object to the characterization of subjective whims. What is subjective is the ham-handed abusive actions of our chair and his stolen valor in claiming credit for the work of others. On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:35 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Could we not just add language to the effect of cancellation on part of the libertarian National Committee cannot occur without a vote of the libertarian National Committee?
Clearly legalese is not my strongest suit, hopefully you feel what I'm reaching for
Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
On May 30, 2020 12:22 PM, "joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We could as a body specify the triggers that would cause us to cancel the second sitting as an in-person. X states under stay at home orders, more than Y deaths per day, Z hospitalization rate, etc. Something.
IMO we held out way past the point of feasibility on the May in-person convention in part because we had neither established objective criteria for pulling the trigger nor established a clear mechanism to pull the triggers. So it all came across as arbitrary and frantic, and a battle between competing subjective whims. I'd like to not relive that again.
JBH
On May 30, 2020 12:51 PM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
And if this could not be turned into a social media posturing parade, that would be great. Hope springs eternal. On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:54 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Excellent ideas sir. Thank you
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 30, 2020 12:22 PM, "joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We could as a body specify the triggers that would cause us to cancel the second sitting as an in-person. X states under stay at home orders, more than Y deaths per day, Z hospitalization rate, etc. Something.
IMO we held out way past the point of feasibility on the May in-person convention in part because we had neither established objective criteria for pulling the trigger nor established a clear mechanism to pull the triggers. So it all came across as arbitrary and frantic, and a battle between competing subjective whims. I'd like to not relive that again.
JBH
On May 30, 2020 12:51 PM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I'm for requiring 2/3 LNC vote to cancel. On Sat, May 30, 2020, 1:01 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And if this could not be turned into a social media posturing parade, that would be great.
Hope springs eternal.
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:54 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Excellent ideas sir. Thank you
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 30, 2020 12:22 PM, "joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We could as a body specify the triggers that would cause us to cancel the second sitting as an in-person. X states under stay at home orders, more than Y deaths per day, Z hospitalization rate, etc. Something.
IMO we held out way past the point of feasibility on the May in-person convention in part because we had neither established objective criteria for pulling the trigger nor established a clear mechanism to pull the triggers. So it all came across as arbitrary and frantic, and a battle between competing subjective whims. I'd like to not relive that again.
JBH
On May 30, 2020 12:51 PM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Or higher... On Sat, May 30, 2020, 2:32 PM Whitney Bilyeu <whitney.bilyeu@lp.org> wrote:
I'm for requiring 2/3 LNC vote to cancel.
On Sat, May 30, 2020, 1:01 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And if this could not be turned into a social media posturing parade, that would be great.
Hope springs eternal.
On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:54 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Excellent ideas sir. Thank you
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 30, 2020 12:22 PM, "joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We could as a body specify the triggers that would cause us to cancel the second sitting as an in-person. X states under stay at home orders, more than Y deaths per day, Z hospitalization rate, etc. Something.
IMO we held out way past the point of feasibility on the May in-person convention in part because we had neither established objective criteria for pulling the trigger nor established a clear mechanism to pull the triggers. So it all came across as arbitrary and frantic, and a battle between competing subjective whims. I'd like to not relive that again.
JBH
On May 30, 2020 12:51 PM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Upon review of the contract, I feel the need to point out that the changes that Mr Sarwark is attempting to take credit for are in fact the ones that were discussed at the prior meeting between the LNC and the COC and Mr Hayes had already agreed to ask for.
Most of which were brought forward by Mrs Harlos, and some by multiple people, including the one that I was adamant about.
As such I am mostly satisfied, though I will assign credit where it is due, not to disingenuous claims.
My sole objection is the apparent possibility of it being canceled unilaterally. Hopefully someone more skilled than I at language crafting will address that quickly.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
participants (5)
-
Caryn Ann Harlos -
erin.adams＠lp.org -
joe.bishop-henchman＠lp.org -
john.phillips＠lp.org -
Whitney Bilyeu