Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And this is where we disagree. BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless. Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann HarlosDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AMTo: john.phillips@lp.org;Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann HarlosDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AMTo: lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the convention agenda as specified in our rules It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may come up during the convention. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-businessDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AMTo: Sam Goldstein;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but still grievously) caused. The delegates can take it up in 2020 -Caryn Ann PS: the official results will be announced shortly On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote: So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that. -Caryn Ann On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is elected, etc. This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. -Alicia On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft References 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org -- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human. -Caryn Ann On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the convention agenda as specified in our rules
It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may come up during the convention.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM To: Sam Goldstein; Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but still grievously) caused.
The delegates can take it up in 2020
-Caryn Ann
PS: the official results will be announced shortly
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which > could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role > forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is > elected, etc. > > This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. > > -Alicia > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >> LNC-Business >> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: >> Harlos, >> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian >> National >> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven >> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as >> if >> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and >> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is >> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member >> or >> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of >> votes >> >> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >> >> >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> >> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> >> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft >> >> References >> >> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
Nick, You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human. -Caryn Ann On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the convention agenda as specified in our rules
It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may come up during the convention.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM To: Sam Goldstein; Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.
That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but still grievously) caused.
The delegates can take it up in 2020
-Caryn Ann
PS: the official results will be announced shortly
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote: > > So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? > > --- > Sam Goldstein > Libertarian National Committee > 317-850-0726 Cell > > > On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: > > The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which > means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that. > > -Caryn Ann > > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which >> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role >> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is >> elected, etc. >> >> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. >> >> -Alicia >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>> LNC-Business >>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: >>> Harlos, >>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian >>> National >>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven >>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as >>> if >>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and >>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is >>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member >>> or >>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of >>> votes >>> >>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>> >>> >>> -- >>> In Liberty, >>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>> >>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>> >>> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> We defend your rights >>> And oppose the use of force >>> Taxation is theft >>> >>> References >>> >>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS All names are listed alphabetically by surname. Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn Express Abstention: None No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES. Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5 Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8 Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate Lyons re-affirmed his no vote. You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. Please notify me of any discrepancies. -Caryn Ann On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Nick,
You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the convention agenda as specified in our rules
It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the > beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, > so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may > come up during the convention. > > John Phillips > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative > > Cell 217-412-5973 > > ------ Original message------ > From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business > Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM > To: Sam Goldstein; > Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" > DECISIONS > > Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. > > That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently > (but still grievously) caused. > > The delegates can take it up in 2020 > > -Caryn Ann > > PS: the official results will be announced shortly > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> > wrote: >> >> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? >> >> --- >> Sam Goldstein >> Libertarian National Committee >> 317-850-0726 Cell >> >> >> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> >> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which >> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that. >> >> -Caryn Ann >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business >> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which >>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role >>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is >>> elected, etc. >>> >>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. >>> >>> -Alicia >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>>> LNC-Business >>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: >>>> Harlos, >>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian >>>> National >>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven >>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as >>>> if >>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and >>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is >>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member >>>> or >>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of >>>> votes >>>> >>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> In Liberty, >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>>> >>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>> >>>> >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>> We defend your rights >>>> And oppose the use of force >>>> Taxation is theft >>>> >>>> References >>>> >>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
Please note that the acting JC (which is how I will refer to them) has informed me that they adopted the 2016 Rules of Appellate Procedure without amendment so nothing needs to be changed on the publication of our Special Rules so we do not need to address that issue. -Caryn Ann On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate.
Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
Express Abstention: None
No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith
With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5 Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8 Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Nick,
You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: > > Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. > > John Phillips > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative > > Cell 217-412-5973 > > ------ Original message------ > From: Caryn Ann Harlos > Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM > To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; > Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS > > At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the > convention agenda as specified in our rules > > It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the >> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, >> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may >> come up during the convention. >> >> John Phillips >> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >> >> Cell 217-412-5973 >> >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM >> To: Sam Goldstein; >> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >> DECISIONS >> >> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. >> >> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently >> (but still grievously) caused. >> >> The delegates can take it up in 2020 >> >> -Caryn Ann >> >> PS: the official results will be announced shortly >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? >>> >>> --- >>> Sam Goldstein >>> Libertarian National Committee >>> 317-850-0726 Cell >>> >>> >>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >>> >>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which >>> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that. >>> >>> -Caryn Ann >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business >>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which >>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role >>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is >>>> elected, etc. >>>> >>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. >>>> >>>> -Alicia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>>>> LNC-Business >>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: >>>>> Harlos, >>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian >>>>> National >>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven >>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as >>>>> if >>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and >>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is >>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member >>>>> or >>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of >>>>> votes >>>>> >>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>>>> >>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>>> We defend your rights >>>>> And oppose the use of force >>>>> Taxation is theft >>>>> >>>>> References >>>>> >>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> In Liberty, >>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> We defend your rights >>> And oppose the use of force >>> Taxation is theft >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
I object to that terminology. They are not the acting JC. They are the "top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected" even though none of them got over 41% of the delegates to approve of their election. I suggest calling them the pretend JC.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2018-08-02 15:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Please note that the acting JC (which is how I will refer to them) has informed me that they adopted the 2016 Rules of Appellate Procedure without amendment so nothing needs to be changed on the publication of our Special Rules so we do not need to address that issue.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate.
Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
Express Abstention: None
No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith
With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5 Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8 Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Nick,
You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: > > It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention > only. > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org > <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: >> >> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. >> >> John Phillips >> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >> >> Cell 217-412-5973 >> >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Caryn Ann Harlos >> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM >> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; >> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >> DECISIONS >> >> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to >> amend the >> convention agenda as specified in our rules >> >> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business >> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to >>> the >>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting >>> until 2022, >>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for >>> anything that may >>> come up during the convention. >>> >>> John Phillips >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973 >>> >>> ------ Original message------ >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM >>> To: Sam Goldstein; >>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >>> DECISIONS >>> >>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. >>> >>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - >>> inadvertently >>> (but still grievously) caused. >>> >>> The delegates can take it up in 2020 >>> >>> -Caryn Ann >>> >>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein >>> <sam.goldstein@lp.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? >>>> >>>> --- >>>> Sam Goldstein >>>> Libertarian National Committee >>>> 317-850-0726 Cell >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >>>> >>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected >>>> which >>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly >>>> anticipated that. >>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via >>>> Lnc-business >>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, >>>>> which >>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would >>>>> play this role >>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial >>>>> Committee is >>>>> elected, etc. >>>>> >>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of >>>>> this term. >>>>> >>>>> -Alicia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via >>>>> Lnc-business >>>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>>>>> LNC-Business >>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. >>>>>> Co-Sponsors: >>>>>> Harlos, >>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the >>>>>> Libertarian >>>>>> National >>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the >>>>>> top-seven >>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 >>>>>> Convention as >>>>>> if >>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention >>>>>> business and >>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. >>>>>> It is >>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any >>>>>> member >>>>>> or >>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual >>>>>> tally of >>>>>> votes >>>>>> >>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> In Liberty, >>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee >>>>>> Secretary - >>>>>> >>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - >>>>>> LPedia@LP.org >>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>>>> We defend your rights >>>>>> And oppose the use of force >>>>>> Taxation is theft >>>>>> >>>>>> References >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> In Liberty, >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary >>>> - >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>> We defend your rights >>>> And oppose the use of force >>>> Taxation is theft >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> In Liberty, >>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary >>> - >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> We defend your rights >>> And oppose the use of force >>> Taxation is theft >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
That is the terminology I choose. Just like I call executive session "secret meetings" as well. We all have our preferences. -Caryn Ann On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
I object to that terminology. They are not the acting JC. They are the "top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial
Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected" even though none of them got over 41% of the delegates
to approve of their election. I suggest calling them the pretend JC.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2018-08-02 15:34, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Please note that the acting JC (which is how I will refer to them) has informed me that they adopted the 2016 Rules of Appellate Procedure without amendment so nothing needs to be changed on the publication of our Special Rules so we do not need to address that issue.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate.
Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
Express Abstention: None
No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith
With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5 Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8 Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Nick,
You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: > > > No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were > inadvertently unduly influenced and misled. > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote: >> >> >> It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only. >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org >> <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. >>> >>> John Phillips >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973 >>> >>> ------ Original message------ >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM >>> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >>> Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; >>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >>> DECISIONS >>> >>> At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend >>> the >>> convention agenda as specified in our rules >>> >>> It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business >>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the >>>> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting >>>> until 2022, >>>> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for >>>> anything that may >>>> come up during the convention. >>>> >>>> John Phillips >>>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >>>> >>>> Cell 217-412-5973 >>>> >>>> ------ Original message------ >>>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >>>> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM >>>> To: Sam Goldstein; >>>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >>>> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >>>> DECISIONS >>>> >>>> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. >>>> >>>> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - >>>> inadvertently >>>> (but still grievously) caused. >>>> >>>> The delegates can take it up in 2020 >>>> >>>> -Caryn Ann >>>> >>>> PS: the official results will be announced shortly >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein >>>> <sam.goldstein@lp.org> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> Sam Goldstein >>>>> Libertarian National Committee >>>>> 317-850-0726 Cell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected >>>>> which >>>>> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly >>>>> anticipated that. >>>>> >>>>> -Caryn Ann >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business >>>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, >>>>>> which >>>>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play >>>>>> this role >>>>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial >>>>>> Committee is >>>>>> elected, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this >>>>>> term. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Alicia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via >>>>>> Lnc-business >>>>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>>>>>> LNC-Business >>>>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. >>>>>>> Co-Sponsors: >>>>>>> Harlos, >>>>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the >>>>>>> Libertarian >>>>>>> National >>>>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the >>>>>>> top-seven >>>>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 >>>>>>> Convention as >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention >>>>>>> business and >>>>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any >>>>>>> member >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual >>>>>>> tally of >>>>>>> votes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> In Liberty, >>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee >>>>>>> Secretary - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>>>>> We defend your rights >>>>>>> And oppose the use of force >>>>>>> Taxation is theft >>>>>>> >>>>>>> References >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>>> >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>>> We defend your rights >>>>> And oppose the use of force >>>>> Taxation is theft >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> In Liberty, >>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>>> >>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>> We defend your rights >>>> And oppose the use of force >>>> Taxation is theft >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> In Liberty, >>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> We defend your rights >>> And oppose the use of force >>> Taxation is theft >> >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft > > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
If I was from Chicago would my voted have been counted twice? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2018-08-02 15:32, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Voting has ENDED for the Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
All names are listed alphabetically by surname.
Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate.
Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips
Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips, Redpath
Voting "nay": Bilyeu, Goldstein, Lyons, Mattson, Van Horn
Express Abstention: None
No Vote Cast: Sarwark, Smith
With a final vote tally of 10-5 the motion PASSES.
Ballot Notes: Goldstein voted no twice (but it of course was only counted once). Region 1 Alternate Bowden had also voted yes, but Region 1 Representative Longstreth’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 5 Alternate Hogarth had also voted yes, but Region 5 Representative Lark’s yes vote is the one that was counted. Region 8 Representative O’Donnell did not vote and explicitly stated that he yielded to Region 8 Alternate Lyons’ no vote. Region 8 Alternate Lyons re-affirmed his no vote.
You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Nick,
You are such a fantastic convention chair that people follow you - sometimes without question. You pretty much led them through each step on how to close the convention - even going through some political theater by saying you would rule something out of order and basically telling them to overrule you. The delegates trusted that this would close the convention cleanly and that all pending elections would be taken care of. But it didn't. You goofed - it happens. But they would not have so quickly done so if you had not led them that way. I do not believe for a second it was ever their intention not to have a JC but the record is also clear that we did not elect one. How did that happen? Too much trust and influence, IMHO. There was nothing bad faith about it - it is the curse of being a very good chair - people tend to forget you are human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
John, it is not finger-pointing - I have been very careful to say the fault is OURS and not any one persons - mistakes happen. Nothing bad was meant - it wasn't malicious or devious. It was simply being human.
-Caryn Ann
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 10:02 AM, john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
And this is where we disagree.
BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless.
Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children.
John Phillips
Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
Cell 217-412-5973
------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AM To: john.phillips@lp.org; Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS
And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: > > Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. > > John Phillips > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative > > Cell 217-412-5973 > > ------ Original message------ > From: Caryn Ann Harlos > Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AM > To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org; > Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org; > Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" > DECISIONS > > At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend > the > convention agenda as specified in our rules > > It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >> Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to >> the >> beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting >> until 2022, >> so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for >> anything that may >> come up during the convention. >> >> John Phillips >> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative >> >> Cell 217-412-5973 >> >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business >> Date: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AM >> To: Sam Goldstein; >> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org; >> Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" >> DECISIONS >> >> Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. >> >> That solves the problem that we - through our chair - >> inadvertently >> (but still grievously) caused. >> >> The delegates can take it up in 2020 >> >> -Caryn Ann >> >> PS: the official results will be announced shortly >> >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein >> <sam.goldstein@lp.org> >> wrote: >>> >>> So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? >>> >>> --- >>> Sam Goldstein >>> Libertarian National Committee >>> 317-850-0726 Cell >>> >>> >>> On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >>> >>> The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected >>> which >>> means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly >>> anticipated that. >>> >>> -Caryn Ann >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business >>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, >>>> which >>>> could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would >>>> play this role >>>> forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial >>>> Committee is >>>> elected, etc. >>>> >>>> This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of >>>> this term. >>>> >>>> -Alicia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via >>>> Lnc-business >>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the >>>>> LNC-Business >>>>> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. >>>>> Co-Sponsors: >>>>> Harlos, >>>>> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the >>>>> Libertarian >>>>> National >>>>> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the >>>>> top-seven >>>>> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 >>>>> Convention as >>>>> if >>>>> they were elected in the normal course of convention >>>>> business and >>>>> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. >>>>> It is >>>>> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any >>>>> member >>>>> or >>>>> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual >>>>> tally of >>>>> votes >>>>> >>>>> here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> In Liberty, >>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>>>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee >>>>> Secretary - >>>>> >>>>> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - >>>>> LPedia@LP.org >>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>>>> We defend your rights >>>>> And oppose the use of force >>>>> Taxation is theft >>>>> >>>>> References >>>>> >>>>> 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting >>>>> 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> In Liberty, >>> Caryn Ann Harlos >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary >>> - >>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >>> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >>> We defend your rights >>> And oppose the use of force >>> Taxation is theft >> >> -- >> -- >> In Liberty, >> Caryn Ann Harlos >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org >> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles: >> We defend your rights >> And oppose the use of force >> Taxation is theft > > -- > -- > In Liberty, > Caryn Ann Harlos > Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - > Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. > Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org > > A haiku to the Statement of Principles: > We defend your rights > And oppose the use of force > Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
-- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org
A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft
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Sam Goldstein