I appreciate your perspective Richard. The Region 3 member was upset, and felt threatened. He also sent an email to Dan Fishman regarding this, and never got a reply --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-21 10:18, Richard Longstreth wrote:

I can speak from personal experience on that as well. My partner, Jake, has attended two practice sessions from his account and responded to the please verify your email address email and then received this message on top of it. We confirmed his info with AZ and are very confused why he received the you've not participated email. We took it as a hiccup but I can totally understand how some members would be confused at this point. The one thing that put our minds at ease was the email from Dan that said he was registered and outlined Friday.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 16:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

I'm very unhappy to get an email from a Region 3 delegate who reports receiving an email today from Dan Fishman, suggesting states might 'whittle down' their delegate lists based upon participating in Zoom practices. This delegate reports they have attended all but one of the prior "test sessions" held by Nick and the ED. But, they got this email today:

----------------

"Dear XXXX ,

According to my records, noone with this email address has signed into a test zoom for the convention. We're only 48 hours away! Can you make this one? Come in, raise your hand, and leave -- easy cheesy!

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_SrGTqYInT0CGNEB0PAKTfw <http://0e49410910d226fd2a7eb6610dcfde12.tinyemails.com/d037e29d14b4a711afa8b14e39bf7e97/2ec6cf07e08e53d215ef3dc0d3199a9a.html>

I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists.

Hope to see you soon!

Dan"

------------------

First, the email is information wrong, that delegate has attended Zoom practices. Second, the implied threat of a "whittle down' from their state delegate list is all kinds of wrong. It is way out of bounds for the LP national ED to say a list of those who didn't participate in Zoom practices will be sent to state chairs "so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." It doesn't matter if a delegate has attended ALL, SOME, or NONE of the Zoom practices. This email was wrong to imply that the delegate might be excluded for not attending Zoom practice. We don't tell in-person delegates they'll be excluded if not learning the convention methods in advance, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let that happen to a delegate in Region 3 due to Zoom practices held by national. Some of us work hard to let members understand the value of national. This can erode that value fast.

I hope this ill-advised email messaging is rectified. As this isn't helping our delegates, nor national.

Thank you. EVH

-- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

For once I received no complaints. Yay! I normally am the complaint desk. On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:56 AM erin.adams--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

The "whittle down" part is problematic for the delegates who have reached out to me. They are angry and considering that verbiage, I understand why

Erin Adams Region 7 alt.

On May 21, 2020 10:35 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I appreciate your perspective Richard. The Region 3 member was upset, and felt threatened. He also sent an email to Dan Fishman regarding this, and never got a reply

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2020-05-21 10:18, Richard Longstreth wrote:

...

I can speak from personal experience on that as well. My partner, Jake, has attended two practice sessions from his account and responded to the please verify your email address email and then received this message on top of it. We confirmed his info with AZ and are very confused why he received the you've not participated email. We took it as a hiccup but I can totally understand how some members would be confused at this point. The one thing that put our minds at ease was the email from Dan that said he was registered and outlined Friday.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 16:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

I'm very unhappy to get an email from a Region 3 delegate who reports receiving an email today from Dan Fishman, suggesting states might 'whittle down' their delegate lists based upon participating in Zoom practices. This delegate reports they have attended all but one of the prior "test sessions" held by Nick and the ED. But, they got this email today:

----------------

"Dear XXXX ,

According to my records, noone with this email address has signed into a test zoom for the convention. We're only 48 hours away! Can you make this one? Come in, raise your hand, and leave -- easy cheesy!

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_SrGTqYInT0CGNEB0PAKTfw < http://0e49410910d226fd2a7eb6610dcfde12.tinyemails.com/d037e29d14b4a711afa8b14e39bf7e97/2ec6cf07e08e53d215ef3dc0d3199a9a.html>

...

...

I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists.

Hope to see you soon!

Dan"

------------------

First, the email is information wrong, that delegate has attended Zoom practices. Second, the implied threat of a "whittle down' from their state delegate list is all kinds of wrong. It is way out of bounds for the LP national ED to say a list of those who didn't participate in

Zoom

...

practices will be sent to state chairs "so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." It doesn't matter if a delegate has attended ALL, SOME, or NONE of the Zoom practices. This email was wrong to imply that the delegate might be excluded for not attending Zoom practice. We don't tell in-person delegates they'll be excluded if not learning the convention methods in advance, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let that happen to a delegate in Region 3 due to Zoom practices held by national. Some of us work hard to let members understand the value of national. This can erode that value fast.

I hope this ill-advised email messaging is rectified. As this isn't helping our delegates, nor national.

Thank you. EVH

-- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

--

*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

Dan Fishman, Thank you for replying. This language: "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." Is wrong. Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group." Which you could have said. The difference isn't an inartful phrasing, but two different meanings. I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate, who said, and they quoted you: -------- 'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate In the training I'm in.' ----------- So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED is saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being, 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots. This is not a good look for LP national. We work for the delegates. Not the other way around. I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much appreciated. The LP should've gone with some professional company, instead of this DYI on Zoom. I understand that you have your hands full in an effort to make it work. I understand that you'll, "try to choose words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates. Regards, EVH --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:

I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have signed into a zoom training session. Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that people who attend with a different email address than the one we send the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this email address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they sign into zoom with their work email.

I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session. Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet, broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact only those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group.

I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very first time on Friday, the more successful we will be.

Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states and delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less ambiguously.

Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to get to the one this afternoon.

--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us [1]

Links: ------ [1] http://www.lp.org/join

In the training session I did last night a delegate said that their state had a meeting that night and decided they were going to ping people during the convention and remove people who weren't participating. On the plus side -- today the number of people who have never been in a test is only 330 of 1600. --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:27 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman < joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org> wrote:

Right, I think "whittle down" was the flashpoint, everyone appreciates the practice sessions and the effort to make this work

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2020-05-21 13:22, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:

...

Dan Fishman,

Thank you for replying.

This language: "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." Is wrong.

Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group."

Which you could have said. The difference isn't an inartful phrasing, but two different meanings.

I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate, who said, and they quoted you:

--------

'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate

In the training I'm in.'

-----------

So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED is saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being, 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots. This is not a good look for LP national. We work for the delegates. Not the other way around. I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much appreciated. The LP should've gone with some professional company, instead of this DYI on Zoom. I understand that you have your hands full in an effort to make it work. I understand that you'll, "try to choose words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates.

Regards, EVH

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:

...

I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have signed into a zoom training session. Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that people who attend with a different email address than the one we send the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this email address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they sign into zoom with their work email.

I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session. Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet, broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact only those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group.

I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very first time on Friday, the more successful we will be.

Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states and delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less ambiguously.

Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to get to the one this afternoon.

--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us [1]

Links: ------ [1] http://www.lp.org/join

I also wanted to tack Bylaw Article 10.4.e onto my email, which is about how list changes are handled after the final Credentials Committee meeting: "By seven-eighths vote, the Convention may approve additional delegates and alternates whose names and addresses are submitted to the Credentials Committee during the Convention." -Alicia On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson@lp.org> wrote:

I am confused about how some delegations are making changes to their lists at this point. We were told that the final Credentials Committee meeting prior to this weekend's event was on Sunday afternoon.

Bylaw Article 10.4.c: " A list of the names and addresses of all delegates and alternates chosen by each affiliate party shall be sent to the Credentials Committee no later than one month prior to start of the first general session of the Regular Convention. Amendments to such lists may be made by the affiliate parties and submitted to the Credentials Committee until the close of the Credentials Committee meeting preceding the Convention."

Since that meeting has passed, affiliates should not be making changes to their lists. Updating email addresses and phone numbers is one thing, but changing who is on the lists is another.

The chair has said we're going to try to follow our bylaws and rules as closely as possible for this weekend's event, but that's just what is said, not what is actually done. It's clear to many of us that the voluntarily agreed to rules we have adopted for ourselves will be bulldozed.

-Alicia

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:26 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Right, I think "whittle down" was the flashpoint, everyone appreciates the practice sessions and the effort to make this work

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2020-05-21 13:22, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:

...

Dan Fishman,

Thank you for replying.

This language: "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." Is wrong.

Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group."

Which you could have said. The difference isn't an inartful phrasing, but two different meanings.

I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate, who said, and they quoted you:

--------

'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate

In the training I'm in.'

-----------

So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED is saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being, 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots. This is not a good look for LP national. We work for the delegates. Not the other way around. I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much appreciated. The LP should've gone with some professional company, instead of this DYI on Zoom. I understand that you have your hands full in an effort to make it work. I understand that you'll, "try to choose words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates.

Regards, EVH

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:

...

I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have signed into a zoom training session. Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that people who attend with a different email address than the one we send the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this email address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they sign into zoom with their work email.

I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session. Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet, broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact only those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group.

I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very first time on Friday, the more successful we will be.

Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states and delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less ambiguously.

Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to get to the one this afternoon.

--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us [1]

Links: ------ [1] http://www.lp.org/join

Yes, John is correct. --- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:20 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I believe they are simply referring to swapping in alternates for delegates who will not be participating. As far as I know this is commonly done even well into convention. For example I know at least one delegate that asked to withdraw and seat an alternate in their place.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On May 21, 2020 1:12 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I also wanted to tack Bylaw Article 10.4.e onto my email, which is about how list changes are handled after the final Credentials Committee meeting:

"By seven-eighths vote, the Convention may approve additional delegates and alternates whose names and addresses are submitted to the Credentials Committee during the Convention."

-Alicia

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:08 AM Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson@lp.org> wrote:

...

I am confused about how some delegations are making changes to their lists at this point. We were told that the final Credentials Committee meeting prior to this weekend's event was on Sunday afternoon.

Bylaw Article 10.4.c: " A list of the names and addresses of all delegates and alternates chosen by each affiliate party shall be sent to the Credentials Committee no later than one month prior to start of the first general session of the Regular Convention. Amendments to such lists may be made by the affiliate parties and submitted to the Credentials Committee until the close of the Credentials Committee meeting preceding the Convention."

Since that meeting has passed, affiliates should not be making changes to their lists. Updating email addresses and phone numbers is one thing, but changing who is on the lists is another.

The chair has said we're going to try to follow our bylaws and rules as closely as possible for this weekend's event, but that's just what is said, not what is actually done. It's clear to many of us that the voluntarily agreed to rules we have adopted for ourselves will be bulldozed.

-Alicia

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 10:26 AM Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Right, I think "whittle down" was the flashpoint, everyone appreciates the practice sessions and the effort to make this work

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2020-05-21 13:22, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:

...

Dan Fishman,

Thank you for replying.

This language: "I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." Is wrong.

Nor, does that say "the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group."

Which you could have said. The difference isn't an inartful phrasing, but two different meanings.

I also got a message last night from a different Region 3 delegate, who said, and they quoted you:

--------

'Fishman just mentioned to an alternate that chairs are "aggressively kicking people out" and it's possible she'd be promoted to delegate

In the training I'm in.'

-----------

So, what I'm getting is delegates complaining that the LP national ED is saying, or implying, that delegates are going to be, or are being, 'whittled' or 'kicked' from their delegate spots. This is not a good look for LP national. We work for the delegates. Not the other way around. I know you're helping the delegates, and that work is much appreciated. The LP should've gone with some professional company, instead of this DYI on Zoom. I understand that you have your hands full in an effort to make it work. I understand that you'll, "try to choose words less ambiguously" in the future regarding our delegates.

Regards, EVH

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2020-05-21 12:28, Daniel Fishman wrote:

...

I regret any confusion. The list is compiled based on the list of delegates and alternates and then removing the people who have signed into a zoom training session. Prior to that email we were under 35% attendance. It is true that people who attend with a different email address than the one we send the zoom got this email -- hence my statement "no one with this email address...." It's also true that many people are unaware when they sign into zoom with their work email.

I absolutely want people to attend at least one practice session. Having done hundreds of tech rollouts, customer training is the critical aspect in determining success. I provided the spreadsheet, broken up by state, to all the state chairs so they could contact only those we saw at risk as having not been to a training and encourage them to get training. My comment at the end, perhaps inartfully phrased, was meant to indicate that that the spreadsheet makes delegation chairs aware and allows the delegation chair to contact their group.

I am doing everything I can to ensure success of the convention, and the fewer people we have who are logging into zoom for the very first time on Friday, the more successful we will be.

Obviously the lists are controlled by the delegation chairs, and I certainly regret that people felt threatened. I am operating at breakneck speed, and assumed everyone understood that only states and delegation chairs control the lists. I will try to choose words less ambiguously.

Please encourage everyone who hasn't been to a zoom training yet to get to the one this afternoon.

--- Daniel Fishman Executive Director The Libertarian Party Join Us [1]

Links: ------ [1] http://www.lp.org/join

I also received the "We haven't heard from you" email to confirm my email.....even thoigh i had participated multiple times AND already confirmed it once before. On Thu, May 21, 2020, 9:18 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I can speak from personal experience on that as well. My partner, Jake, has attended two practice sessions from his account and responded to the please verify your email address email and then received this message on top of it. We confirmed his info with AZ and are very confused why he received the you've not participated email. We took it as a hiccup but I can totally understand how some members would be confused at this point. The one thing that put our minds at ease was the email from Dan that said he was registered and outlined Friday.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Wed, May 20, 2020, 16:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

I'm very unhappy to get an email from a Region 3 delegate who reports receiving an email today from Dan Fishman, suggesting states might 'whittle down' their delegate lists based upon participating in Zoom practices. This delegate reports they have attended all but one of the prior "test sessions" held by Nick and the ED. But, they got this email today:

----------------

"Dear XXXX ,

According to my records, noone with this email address has signed into a test zoom for the convention. We're only 48 hours away! Can you make this one? Come in, raise your hand, and leave -- easy cheesy!

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_SrGTqYInT0CGNEB0PAKTfw <

http://0e49410910d226fd2a7eb6610dcfde12.tinyemails.com/d037e29d14b4a711afa8b...

...

...

I'm sending a list to all the state chairs of the delegates and alternates who aren't attending any of the practice sessions so they can whittle down their final delegate lists.

Hope to see you soon!

Dan"

------------------

First, the email is information wrong, that delegate has attended Zoom practices. Second, the implied threat of a "whittle down' from their state delegate list is all kinds of wrong. It is way out of bounds for the LP national ED to say a list of those who didn't participate in Zoom practices will be sent to state chairs "so they can whittle down their final delegate lists." It doesn't matter if a delegate has attended ALL, SOME, or NONE of the Zoom practices. This email was wrong to imply that the delegate might be excluded for not attending Zoom practice. We don't tell in-person delegates they'll be excluded if not learning the convention methods in advance, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let that happen to a delegate in Region 3 due to Zoom practices held by national. Some of us work hard to let members understand the value of national. This can erode that value fast.

I hope this ill-advised email messaging is rectified. As this isn't helping our delegates, nor national.

Thank you. EVH

-- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)