Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics. Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good. I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent." For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet. This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

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Yes. Bill Redpath On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

=============================================

Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you! -Caryn Ann On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:

Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

=============================================

--

* In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* =========================================================================

I vote no. The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter. -Nick

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

=============================================

--

In Liberty,

Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *

VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org =========================================================================

I told you. And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad language being approved. Do the no’s still think no need to get involved? Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument? On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

...

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

=============================================

--

In Liberty,

Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================

...

Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *

VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org

=========================================================================

...

--

• In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* =========================================================================

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC and posted notice on the LNC list. I missed the import of that. I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates plank 4.0. I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided to be out of order. On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

...

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad language being approved.

Do the no’s still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

...

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote: > I vote yes. > > I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't > good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by > it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for > its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and > the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the > LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt > a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

> are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those > crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff > implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the > vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, > and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things > like this will keep happening until we do. > > I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some > sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for > long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives > and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to > help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more > votes like this one. > > But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should > be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things > should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than > Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good > men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark. > > JBH > > ------------ > Joe Bishop-Henchman > LNC Member (At-Large) > joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org > www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 > > On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot. >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm >> Pacific time. >> >> Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith >> >> ============================================= >> >> >> Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter >> account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted >> and >> that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive >> Director >> is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns >> and >> submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment. >> >> >> ============================================= >> >>

--

In Liberty,

Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

=========================================================================

...

Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *

VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org

=========================================================================

...

--

• In Liberty,*

•Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. •Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

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APRC is reviewing and may satisfy your objection which you know I fully agree with. Out of all things to be stubborn about, Libertarians defending anything suggesting silence is consent should not be one On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:15 AM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:

I do not. I think there needs to be agenda time for the language on the website.

I am willing to concede on the tweet, but making a meaningless change that has 0 affect on the website statement is not good enough.

At the very least every single one of you needs to look us in the eye and the camera and say that you are ok with "silence is consent", or "silence is seen as consent" which means the same damn thing, being on our website and the public statement of the party.

Statements about "micromanaging" are crap. Boards address issues, that is not micromanaging, that is the job. Particularly issues that are not being adequately handled, as this is not.

1 damn word addition would fix it. The fact that there is so much opposition to one word that would literally take less time to add than pissing is ridiculous.

John.

On Jul 6, 2019 6:39 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC and posted notice on the LNC list. I missed the import of that.

I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates plank 4.0.

I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided to be out of order.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad language being approved.

Do the no’s still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

...

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

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• In Liberty,*

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•VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>• =========================================================================

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• In Liberty,*

•Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. •Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *

•VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>• =========================================================================

--

• In Liberty,*

•Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. •Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/

========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *

•VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>• =========================================================================

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• In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax • Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services • Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* =========================================================================

I'm not aware of any secrecy. Other than that which surrounds the APRC. --- Elizabeth Van Horn On 2019-07-06 14:23, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:

If they do, then I will of course withdraw my request.

I also agree with you on the secrecy being disturbing on several levels.

On Jul 6, 2019 1:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

APRC is reviewing and may satisfy your objection which you know I fully agree with.

Out of all things to be stubborn about, Libertarians defending anything suggesting silence is consent should not be one

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:15 AM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: I do not. I think there needs to be agenda time for the language on the website.

I am willing to concede on the tweet, but making a meaningless change that has 0 affect on the website statement is not good enough.

At the very least every single one of you needs to look us in the eye and the camera and say that you are ok with "silence is consent", or "silence is seen as consent" which means the same damn thing, being on our website and the public statement of the party.

Statements about "micromanaging" are crap. Boards address issues, that is not micromanaging, that is the job. Particularly issues that are not being adequately handled, as this is not.

1 damn word addition would fix it. The fact that there is so much opposition to one word that would literally take less time to add than pissing is ridiculous.

John.

On Jul 6, 2019 6:39 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC and posted notice on the LNC list. I missed the import of that.

I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates plank 4.0.

I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided to be out of order.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don't recall that equally bad language being approved.

Do the no's still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

...

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

...

Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

...

I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

...

BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that "silence equals consent" be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

=============================================

--

In Liberty,

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I shall, once again, suggest this change: "I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "NOT VOTING IS SEEN AS CONSENT." (As I've suggested several times and on list, and out on social media, in a thread where at least one fellow LNC member and our chair were posting) --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2019-07-06 12:15, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:

I do not. I think there needs to be agenda time for the language on the website.

I am willing to concede on the tweet, but making a meaningless change that has 0 affect on the website statement is not good enough.

At the very least every single one of you needs to look us in the eye and the camera and say that you are ok with "silence is consent", or "silence is seen as consent" which means the same damn thing, being on our website and the public statement of the party.

Statements about "micromanaging" are crap. Boards address issues, that is not micromanaging, that is the job. Particularly issues that are not being adequately handled, as this is not.

1 damn word addition would fix it. The fact that there is so much opposition to one word that would literally take less time to add than pissing is ridiculous.

John.

On Jul 6, 2019 6:39 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC and posted notice on the LNC list. I missed the import of that.

I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates plank 4.0.

I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided to be out of order.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don't recall that equally bad language being approved.

Do the no's still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

...

On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

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I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

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On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

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Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

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I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

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are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 [1]

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

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BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

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Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that "silence equals consent" be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

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Links: ------ [1] http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

I note that I did not post the official breakdown, so here it is. Voting has ENDED for the email ballot 190628-1 DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE All names are listed alphabetically by surname. Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org <http://lp.org/> be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith Voting "aye": Bishop-Henchman, Harlos, Lark, Longstreth, Nekhaila, Phillips, Redpath, Smith Voting "nay": Goldstein, Hagan, Olsen, Mattson, Merced, O’Donnell, Sarwark, Van Horn Express Abstention: None No Vote Cast: Bilyeu With a final vote tally of 8-8 the motion FAILED Note: Primary Representative Hewitt did not vote so the vote of Alternate Olsen was counted. You can view the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: tinyurl.com/ballot190628-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. Please notify me of any discrepancies. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperberger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can effect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. I am asking you to help me - in a diverse world, we must work to meet each other halfway.* On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 9:57 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:

I am lukewarm with that change, but ut is still a big improvement.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 6, 2019 7:48 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:

I shall, once again, suggest this change:

"I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "*Not voting is seen as consent."*

(As I've suggested several times and on list, and out on social media, in a thread where at least one fellow LNC member and our chair were posting) --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-06 12:15, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:

I do not. I think there needs to be agenda time for the language on the website.

I am willing to concede on the tweet, but making a meaningless change that has 0 affect on the website statement is not good enough.

At the very least every single one of you needs to look us in the eye and the camera and say that you are ok with "silence is consent", or "silence is seen as consent" which means the same damn thing, being on our website and the public statement of the party.

Statements about "micromanaging" are crap. Boards address issues, that is not micromanaging, that is the job. Particularly issues that are not being adequately handled, as this is not.

1 damn word addition would fix it. The fact that there is so much opposition to one word that would literally take less time to add than pissing is ridiculous.

John. On Jul 6, 2019 6:39 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

Mr. Fishman clarified that Mr. Sarwark made the decision outside of APRC and posted notice on the LNC list. I missed the import of that.

I have asked for APRC review on the new language and maintain it violates plank 4.0.

I withdraw my agenda time request until the APRC review is done or decided to be out of order.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:26 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I will put out the formal counts in a bit but the motion did fail as a tie.

I would like to put on the record that I find it highly improper (if not technically so, then just disrespectful to this vote) that the item was changed without LNC input, and as far as I can see, without APRC approval or explicit statement that the need for APRC approval was over-ruled.

We are playing fast and loose with at least the spirit of the rules.

I am asking for agenda time in Austin as I do not think the issue is resolved and the alleged solution was not disclosed to the LNC until the eleventh hour and if it makes Phillips cuss, well, everyone should take a second look.

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:39 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:

I told you.

And I need to go back to the APRC but I don't recall that equally bad language being approved.

Do the no's still think no need to get involved?

Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument?

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.

All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

I vote no.

The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.

-Nick

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On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

Gotcha, seen a few of those too

On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!

-Caryn Ann

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.

Not nay as was recorded.

John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973

On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath

On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:

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I will vote yes.

Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300

Sent from my Mobile Device

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:

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Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.

Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.

I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."

For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.

This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.

--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)

On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:

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I vote yes.

I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we

...

are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.

I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.

But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.

JBH

------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837

On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:

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BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE

We have an electronic mail ballot.

Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.

Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith

=============================================

Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that "silence equals consent" be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.

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