I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master. The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern -Caryn Ann -- * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
To discuss what matter? --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
d) Electronic meetings may be called by either: • The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting. e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. f) For electronic LNC meetings, messages calling or vetoing a meeting must be sent on the LNC-Business email list. g) When a sufficient number of people have issued a call for an electronic meeting, the committee Chair or Secretary shall issue a notice of the meeting to each member and alternate of the committee. In addition to the standard notice content, the meeting notice shall describe how to participate in the meeting. Your brief note below does not meet the standard in the policy manual for an electronic meeting if that is what you are requesting. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
I cannot comply until I have the sponsors. My request for sponsors is right. The matter is our contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:12 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
d) Electronic meetings may be called by either: • The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting. e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. f) For electronic LNC meetings, messages calling or vetoing a meeting must be sent on the LNC-Business email list. g) When a sufficient number of people have issued a call for an electronic meeting, the committee Chair or Secretary shall issue a notice of the meeting to each member and alternate of the committee. In addition to the standard notice content, the meeting notice shall describe how to participate in the meeting.
Your brief note below does not meet the standard in the policy manual for an electronic meeting if that is what you are requesting.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
-- * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I'll co-sponsor a meeting with the intent to discuss the convention impacts and contingencies as moved by Harlos. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom" On 2020-03-13 08:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I cannot comply until I have the sponsors. My request for sponsors is right.
The matter is our contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:12 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
d) Electronic meetings may be called by either: • The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting. e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. f) For electronic LNC meetings, messages calling or vetoing a meeting must be sent on the LNC-Business email list. g) When a sufficient number of people have issued a call for an electronic meeting, the committee Chair or Secretary shall issue a notice of the meeting to each member and alternate of the committee. In addition to the standard notice content, the meeting notice shall describe how to participate in the meeting.
Your brief note below does not meet the standard in the policy manual for an electronic meeting if that is what you are requesting.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
Members want to hear this discussion- and I think we are willfully having blinders on. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. * On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:57 PM Steven Nekhaila <steven.nekhaila@lp.org> wrote:
I'll co-sponsor a meeting with the intent to discuss the convention impacts and contingencies as moved by Harlos.
In Liberty,
Steven Nekhaila Region 2 Representative Libertarian National Committee
Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
On 2020-03-13 08:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I cannot comply until I have the sponsors. My request for sponsors is right.
The matter is our contingency plans and status in light of the pandemic.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 6:12 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
d) Electronic meetings may be called by either: • The committee Chair, or • 1/3 of the committee members or 2 committee members, whichever is greater. However, the call of an electronic meeting can be canceled if a majority of the committee members email a cancellation request to the entire committee prior to the scheduled time of the meeting. e) Each committee member calling for an electronic meeting must do so by emailing the entire committee and specifying the date of the meeting, time of the meeting, meeting link including the identity of the Electronic Meeting Provider, and the topic(s) to be addressed. Meetings must be so called no fewer than 2 days in advance for committees with fewer than 10 members, or 7 days in advance for committees with 10 or more members. These time limits do not apply to the LNC's Executive Committee, the LNC's Advertising and Publications Review Committee, or the Judicial Committee. f) For electronic LNC meetings, messages calling or vetoing a meeting must be sent on the LNC-Business email list. g) When a sufficient number of people have issued a call for an electronic meeting, the committee Chair or Secretary shall issue a notice of the meeting to each member and alternate of the committee. In addition to the standard notice content, the meeting notice shall describe how to participate in the meeting.
Your brief note below does not meet the standard in the policy manual for an electronic meeting if that is what you are requesting.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
On 2020-03-13 19:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann
Several folks have asked me about the viability of the organization in the absence of convention proceeds, given any outstanding financial commitments ...
I will cosponsor. I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I will cosponsor. I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that. -Alicia On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
It starts us thinking. Wait and see puts us in a panic. And I don't get the impression from out members that this is what they expect of us. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:01 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
On 2020-03-14 16:17, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It starts us thinking. Wait and see puts us in a panic. And I don't get the impression from out members that this is what they expect of us.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:01 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I agree completely with Ms.Harlos. I assume questions, scenarios will arise in the course of discussion that will need additional research. Let's get started.
Mr Ford, are you cosponsoring? Ms Harlos, can you remind me if alternates can cosponsor such motions? Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:33 pat.ford--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
On 2020-03-14 16:17, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It starts us thinking. Wait and see puts us in a panic. And I don't get the impression from out members that this is what they expect of us.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:01 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I agree completely with Ms.Harlos. I assume questions, scenarios will arise in the course of discussion that will need additional research. Let's get started.
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people. If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare). A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are. As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all. By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I’ll co-sponsor, this discussion regardless of substance is inevitable so we might as well have a good faith discussion restate what needs to be restated and who knows new information and ideas may come up by then that’ll increase the substance of the convo. Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Mar 14, 2020, at 4:32 PM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote: I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I'll co-sponsor. Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today. It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward. That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an electronic convention for early April. I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members. Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the contract. With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.) What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be quickly adjusted. Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/ On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
The following was posted two days ago in the COC's Facebook group for delegates: UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION: With growing concerns and numerous event cancellations and reschedulings around the country, there has been an influx of questions concerning the Libertarian National Convention in Austin, Texas from May 20th-25th. At the present time, our National Convention WILL PROCEED as scheduled. Our Convention Oversight Committee and our National Committee have been in touch with both the JW Marriott Hotel hosting us and the City of Austin in regards to what the best path forward is, and all parties involved expect our event and venue to be safe, healthy, and successful. We will be working with both groups to ensure all reasonable precautions are taken. Due to the rapidly developing nature of both the COVID-19 virus and the government response to it at the state and federal levels, we will be closely monitoring our options if the situation deteriorates. Our National Committee, should the need arise, will explore the legal options available to us through our bylaws and state ballot access laws should a change in our plans be necessary. With over two months until the National Convention begins, we are hopeful that such a change will not be needed - and we look forward to seeing top Libertarian activists, candidates, and delegates from around the country in May! In the time being, please follow public hygiene advice and take care of yourselves. -Alicia On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:07 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today. It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward. That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an electronic convention for early April.
I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members. Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the contract.
With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.)
What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be quickly adjusted. Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
Thank you. I’m at the Delaware convention and will set this up when I’m back at my host house. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:31 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The following was posted two days ago in the COC's Facebook group for delegates:
UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION:
With growing concerns and numerous event cancellations and reschedulings around the country, there has been an influx of questions concerning the Libertarian National Convention in Austin, Texas from May 20th-25th.
At the present time, our National Convention WILL PROCEED as scheduled.
Our Convention Oversight Committee and our National Committee have been in touch with both the JW Marriott Hotel hosting us and the City of Austin in regards to what the best path forward is, and all parties involved expect our event and venue to be safe, healthy, and successful. We will be working with both groups to ensure all reasonable precautions are taken.
Due to the rapidly developing nature of both the COVID-19 virus and the government response to it at the state and federal levels, we will be closely monitoring our options if the situation deteriorates. Our National Committee, should the need arise, will explore the legal options available to us through our bylaws and state ballot access laws should a change in our plans be necessary.
With over two months until the National Convention begins, we are hopeful that such a change will not be needed - and we look forward to seeing top Libertarian activists, candidates, and delegates from around the country in May! In the time being, please follow public hygiene advice and take care of yourselves.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:07 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today. It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward. That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an electronic convention for early April.
I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members. Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the contract.
With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.)
What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be quickly adjusted. Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with
Daniel
Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> I will co sponsor > > John Phillips > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative > Cell 217-412-5973 > > On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting > to > discuss this master. > > The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at > 9-11eastern > > -Caryn Ann > -- > > * In Liberty,* > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. * > > >
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Not getting a good internet connection - will do once I do. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:53 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Thank you. I’m at the Delaware convention and will set this up when I’m back at my host house.
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 5:31 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The following was posted two days ago in the COC's Facebook group for delegates:
UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL CONVENTION:
With growing concerns and numerous event cancellations and reschedulings around the country, there has been an influx of questions concerning the Libertarian National Convention in Austin, Texas from May 20th-25th.
At the present time, our National Convention WILL PROCEED as scheduled.
Our Convention Oversight Committee and our National Committee have been in touch with both the JW Marriott Hotel hosting us and the City of Austin in regards to what the best path forward is, and all parties involved expect our event and venue to be safe, healthy, and successful. We will be working with both groups to ensure all reasonable precautions are taken.
Due to the rapidly developing nature of both the COVID-19 virus and the government response to it at the state and federal levels, we will be closely monitoring our options if the situation deteriorates. Our National Committee, should the need arise, will explore the legal options available to us through our bylaws and state ballot access laws should a change in our plans be necessary.
With over two months until the National Convention begins, we are hopeful that such a change will not be needed - and we look forward to seeing top Libertarian activists, candidates, and delegates from around the country in May! In the time being, please follow public hygiene advice and take care of yourselves.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:07 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today. It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward. That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an electronic convention for early April.
I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members. Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the contract.
With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.)
What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be quickly adjusted. Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> > > > > > I believe that would be appropriate. > In Liberty, > Steven Nekhaila > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via > Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I will cosponsor. > > I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel > Hayes > due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and > rise > out for other, public discussion. > > Richard Longstreth > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) > Libertarian National Committee > richard.longstreth@lp.org > 931.538.9300 > > Sent from my Mobile Device > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > > I will co sponsor > > > > John Phillips > > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative > > Cell 217-412-5973 > > > > On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < > > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > > > > I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public emeeting > > to > > discuss this master. > > > > The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at > > 9-11eastern > > > > -Caryn Ann > > -- > > > > * In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > > > > > > > > >
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I will also co-sponsor. I think it would be prudent to start discussing contingency plans and what is possible with the technology available and in compliance with the Bylaws in a worse-case scenario where Austin or the hotel cancel the convention as planned. An electronic meeting or remote voting from the state chairs could be possible if the delegates who do show up vote to amend the bylaws to allow it. The logistics would be hell, because we'd be considering either a thousand delegates all participating, or a method for the state chairs to get their delegates' votes and relay them in to the convention. --- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee On 2020-03-14 14:07, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
Region 3 had one last state affiliate convention scheduled for today. It was LP Michigan and they decided yesterday to postpone. I'd been in contact with the LPM Chair prior to that decision, and afterward. That decision didn't come easy, and there's much discussion among the state affiliate members in Michigan regarding the situation. (Which was precipitated by a sudden increase of Covid-19 cases within the county where the convention was to be held.) LPM has rescheduled an electronic convention for early April.
I've also discussed the National Convention situation with members. Have explained that the COC says the convention is still on, as there's no cancel edict from the hotel. Nor are there general restrictions on travel within the US. Have also explained that the LP has a contractual obligation which puts a significant financial penalty onto the LP if we cancel outside of reasons covered within the contract.
With that said, I'd like to see a Plan B discussed. (I almost brought the idea to the LNC myself, as it seems prudent to discuss.)
What discussion can do is help us brainstorm ideas for the worse case scenario. Better to have plans that aren't needed and/or could be quickly adjusted. Rather than no plans and scrambling to make them.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/
On 2020-03-14 16:32, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
As a region representative, I would like to have some sort of a unified message that we can put out letting people know that we are aware of the issue and are planning contigencies if the venue is cancelled. Right now, aside from my one on one talks, I would not have any idea about what is happening or what to tell people.
If you don't want an electronic meeting, that's fine. What is indisputable is that our convention attendees do not know for sure if we are having a convention at all (obviously we are) or that back up plans are being made just in case (which they are but due to contractual reasons, cannot be broadcast or officially setup until X happens). They also don't fully comprehend why we would put people at risk and not figure out a way to do it all remotely (against our rules and logistically a nightmare).
A statement or talking points need to be communicated to the LNC as a whole so that we are consistent with our message and so that the members of this committee are all on the same page before this gets worse (or better). I think the best medium for that is discussion and a report from the COC chair via electronic meeting. This body cannot effectively govern if it doesn't know what the facts actually are.
As an aside, if I have states in my regions calling emergency meetings to discuss options I think we should at the least do the same. I've already had WY reschedule and CO and WA are having emergency calls tomorrow to discuss. The LNC is coming off as burying its head in the sand even though I know that is not the case at all.
By my count we have 5 cosponsors at this point. Is there at least one other person who supports scheduling a meeting for 10 days from now so that we can say something? I would add that 10 days from now we may actually NEED to have a meeting if things get worse and that if it is scheduled, we can always cancel if the need resolves itself.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 15:01 Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Ms. Mattson. Having a meeting might make some people feel good but there is no way we can take any concrete action at this time since the situation is so fluid. Unfortunately the Bylaws do not provide for anything other than a in-person meeting so any kind of electronic meeting proposal is moot. We will just have to wait and see.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-03-14 15:20, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm not sure what there is to discuss yet. Our hotel has NOT cancelled on us. If they cancel under the impossibility / force majeure clause, then we have zero liability. If that happens, yes, we will have to scramble to find something other way to meet and choose our presidential ticket, but it's not like we can execute an agreement in advance under the assumption that the existing contract will cancel. Circumstances are changing from day to day. This problem may have diminished by then, or it may have gotten worse such that we're working under very different parameters. I don't know how to plan for that. My opinion is that we wait to see what actually happens, if anything, and then deal with that.
-Alicia
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:10 AM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I believe that would be appropriate. In Liberty, Steven Nekhaila
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 2:04 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will cosponsor.
I would intend to move into executive session right away with Daniel Hayes due to the legal and contractual considerations related to this and rise out for other, public discussion.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 12:55 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will co sponsor
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Mar 13, 2020 6:08 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I would like to have cosponsors to call for an emergency public
emeeting
to discuss this master.
The date will be exactly 10 days after I receive the 6th cosponsor at 9-11eastern
-Caryn Ann --
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
participants (12)
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Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) -
Alicia Mattson -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Elizabeth Van Horn -
john.phillips＠lp.org -
joshua.smith＠lp.org -
pat.ford＠lp.org -
Richard Longstreth -
Sam Goldstein -
Steven Nekhaila -
Tim Hagan