Forwarded to public list. --- Elizabeth Van Horn -------- Original Message -------- SUBJECT: Re: FINAL BYLAWS PACKET DATE: 2019-10-24 08:33 FROM: Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> TO: Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> CC: Alex Merced <alex.merced@lp.org>, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson@lp.org>, Bill Redpath <william.redpath@lp.org>, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna@lp.org>, Erin Adams <erin.adams@lp.org>, Jeffrey Hewitt <jeffrey.hewitt@lp.org>, Jim Lark <james.lark@lp.org>, Joe Bishop-Henchman <joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org>, John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org>, Johnny Adams <johnny.adams@lp.org>, Joshua Smith <joshua.smith@lp.org>, Justin O'Donnell <justin.odonnell@lp.org>, Nick Sarwark <chair@lp.org>, Phillip Anderson <phillip.anderson@lp.org>, "R. Lee Wrights" <vicechair@lp.org>, Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org>, Sam Goldstein <Sam.Goldstein@lp.org>, Susan Hogarth <susan.hogarth@lp.org>, Tim Hagan <treasurer@lp.org>, Victoria Paige Lee <victoria.paige.sexton@lp.org>, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76@gmail.com>, brent.olsen@lp.org, pat.ford@lp.org, "steven.nekhaila@lp.org" <Steven.Nekhaila@lp.org> Oh, I forgot to say that I added Alex Merced to this email communication. As he's not been on the email list of committee applications. instead for the Vice Chair name, R. Lee Wrights is listed. --- Elizabeth Van Horn On 2019-10-24 08:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Absolutely.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:26 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
It may be that Duke Van Horn wrote to you. I think it was because he looked and saw that both of his applications had been placed into the platform committee batch. (He follows the business list.)
I also realize that the applications aren't identified when incoming. Which would mean reading, or at least glancing, at them would be good. As both of the Van Horn applications can be identified as to where they should be placed by the answers to questions.
In the future, there should be some system whereby applications either come through separate portals, or other means to be identified.
EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2019-10-24 02:43, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: Duke wrote to me and asked me to place the one where he used Duke in the Bylaws packet so I did as he asked. He said the David one belonged in Platform.
In reviewing his email, he appears to have had them backwards. I have been through all the applications, and verified with parties where the application was unclear. Duke was the only one to write with specific suggestions that I followed. As I mentioned to Mr. Longstreth, the forms had the defect of not identifying which committee they were for, and thus, some were ambiguous. In the future, in form creation, we need to have a space for the applicant to clearly state which committee they intended. With the untimely death of Mr.Dixon, there was a bit of havoc going on at this time.
==
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:22 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I'm reviewing bylaws and rules committee applications, as we're voting this Saturday.
Duke Van Horn's application for the Platform Committee is in this Bylaws application batch. As he specifically noted answers to each application to indicate which is for which committee. The application in this bylaw batch has in reply to a question:
Q: Will you commit to show up and actively participate in committee email discussions and any in-person meetings?
A: "If I am on the Platform Committee, I will commit to active participation in-person and email discussions."
Additionally, there are still two applications for him included in the Platform Committee batch, one of which is bylaws. He submitted two separate applications. Each one has an answer to the above question noting the respective committee. So, it should be apparent as to which application goes in which application batch.
If this can't be corrected, please take note fellow LNC members. As this may not be the only application that doesn't match the committee for which it's applying. I don't want to see applicants disadvantaged by their application being placed into the wrong batch.
EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-20 17:22, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: Attached please find V2 of Bylaws Final Packet.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:26 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I know what happened with yours Richard. The way these forms get transmitted is in these long chains that duplicate entries. I know you applied for platform and because they came all jumbled together, I did not catch that one was for bylaws as well. Knowing this issue with the ambiguity in the forms, I am going to print every submission out and match to the indexes.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 5:12 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I will go through all of the sent applications and check who's naughty and nice like Santa.
PS Starchild tried to use the form when it expired early and may be sending his in manually.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 5:10 PM Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote: I have forwarded my confirmation from September 30 to the secretary for addition. I wonder if any other submissions are missing now.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 16:06 Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote: My application is missing according to the table of contents.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 05:54 Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Attached.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _ --
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents. I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list. JBH ------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn
-------- Original Message --------
SUBJECT: Re: FINAL BYLAWS PACKET
DATE: 2019-10-24 08:33
FROM: Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
TO: Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com>
CC: Alex Merced <alex.merced@lp.org>, Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson@lp.org>, Bill Redpath <william.redpath@lp.org>, Dustin Nanna <dustin.nanna@lp.org>, Erin Adams <erin.adams@lp.org>, Jeffrey Hewitt <jeffrey.hewitt@lp.org>, Jim Lark <james.lark@lp.org>, Joe Bishop-Henchman <joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org>, John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org>, Johnny Adams <johnny.adams@lp.org>, Joshua Smith <joshua.smith@lp.org>, Justin O'Donnell <justin.odonnell@lp.org>, Nick Sarwark <chair@lp.org>, Phillip Anderson <phillip.anderson@lp.org>, "R. Lee Wrights" <vicechair@lp.org>, Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org>, Sam Goldstein <Sam.Goldstein@lp.org>, Susan Hogarth <susan.hogarth@lp.org>, Tim Hagan <treasurer@lp.org>, Victoria Paige Lee <victoria.paige.sexton@lp.org>, Whitney Bilyeu <whitneycb76@gmail.com>, brent.olsen@lp.org, pat.ford@lp.org, "steven.nekhaila@lp.org" <Steven.Nekhaila@lp.org>
Oh, I forgot to say that I added Alex Merced to this email communication. As he's not been on the email list of committee applications. instead for the Vice Chair name, R. Lee Wrights is listed.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2019-10-24 08:26, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Absolutely.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:26 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
It may be that Duke Van Horn wrote to you. I think it was because he looked and saw that both of his applications had been placed into the platform committee batch. (He follows the business list.)
I also realize that the applications aren't identified when incoming. Which would mean reading, or at least glancing, at them would be good. As both of the Van Horn applications can be identified as to where they should be placed by the answers to questions.
In the future, there should be some system whereby applications either come through separate portals, or other means to be identified.
EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn
On 2019-10-24 02:43, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: Duke wrote to me and asked me to place the one where he used Duke in the Bylaws packet so I did as he asked. He said the David one belonged in Platform.
In reviewing his email, he appears to have had them backwards. I have been through all the applications, and verified with parties where the application was unclear. Duke was the only one to write with specific suggestions that I followed. As I mentioned to Mr. Longstreth, the forms had the defect of not identifying which committee they were for, and thus, some were ambiguous. In the future, in form creation, we need to have a space for the applicant to clearly state which committee they intended. With the untimely death of Mr.Dixon, there was a bit of havoc going on at this time.
==
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 5:22 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I'm reviewing bylaws and rules committee applications, as we're voting this Saturday.
Duke Van Horn's application for the Platform Committee is in this Bylaws application batch. As he specifically noted answers to each application to indicate which is for which committee. The application in this bylaw batch has in reply to a question:
Q: Will you commit to show up and actively participate in committee email discussions and any in-person meetings?
A: "If I am on the Platform Committee, I will commit to active participation in-person and email discussions."
Additionally, there are still two applications for him included in the Platform Committee batch, one of which is bylaws. He submitted two separate applications. Each one has an answer to the above question noting the respective committee. So, it should be apparent as to which application goes in which application batch.
If this can't be corrected, please take note fellow LNC members. As this may not be the only application that doesn't match the committee for which it's applying. I don't want to see applicants disadvantaged by their application being placed into the wrong batch.
EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-20 17:22, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: Attached please find V2 of Bylaws Final Packet.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 6:26 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I know what happened with yours Richard. The way these forms get transmitted is in these long chains that duplicate entries. I know you applied for platform and because they came all jumbled together, I did not catch that one was for bylaws as well. Knowing this issue with the ambiguity in the forms, I am going to print every submission out and match to the indexes.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 5:12 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I will go through all of the sent applications and check who's naughty and nice like Santa.
PS Starchild tried to use the form when it expired early and may be sending his in manually.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 5:10 PM Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote: I have forwarded my confirmation from September 30 to the secretary for addition. I wonder if any other submissions are missing now.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 16:06 Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth@lp.org> wrote: My application is missing according to the table of contents.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019, 05:54 Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Attached.
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _ --
IN LIBERTY, __ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. _
Colleagues, In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many excellent choices for the ten slots. While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the importance of members having attended at least one previous convention so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules that they'll be in charge of modifying. 1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC) I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic, thoroughness, and effectiveness. 2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC) Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and effectively. 3. Mark Rutherford/IN Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on governance document best practices. 4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC) Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively shepherding the proposals through. 5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum) Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year, and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose, she is not! 6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum) Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background. Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct in the end. 7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum) Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider. 8. Cris Crawford/MA Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public relations. 9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum) I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again. I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New Mexico. JBH ------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents.
I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
Joe, that's a good list. I'd also like everyone to consider Chris Wiest. He's the Chair of LP Kentucky, a lawyer who's worked on multiple cases on behalf of Libertarian Party members. Chris has attention to detail, a good eye for streamlining, and is able to negotiate through a disagreement. Chris Wiest is a solid choice. An applicant I was impressed with is Albert Veldhuyzen of Virginia. He has an amazing stance and opinions stated in his application. Plus, a history that I think would lend to being an asset to the committee. (I realize he doesn't meet the threshold of having attended at least one previous convention, but I think he should be considered.) Cheers all, EVH --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2019-10-26 00:53, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
Colleagues,
In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many excellent choices for the ten slots.
While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the importance of members having attended at least one previous convention so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules that they'll be in charge of modifying.
1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC) I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic, thoroughness, and effectiveness.
2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC) Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and effectively.
3. Mark Rutherford/IN Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on governance document best practices.
4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC) Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively shepherding the proposals through.
5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum) Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year, and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose, she is not!
6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum) Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background. Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct in the end.
7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum) Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider.
8. Cris Crawford/MA Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public relations.
9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum) I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again.
I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New Mexico.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents.
I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
Attached is V3. What changed is the addition of Starchild's application. Correcting Duke/David Van Horn's application and forcing the pdf assembler to renumber the TOC. I had to talk to it very sternly. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:35 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joe, that's a good list.
I'd also like everyone to consider Chris Wiest. He's the Chair of LP Kentucky, a lawyer who's worked on multiple cases on behalf of Libertarian Party members. Chris has attention to detail, a good eye for streamlining, and is able to negotiate through a disagreement. Chris Wiest is a solid choice.
An applicant I was impressed with is Albert Veldhuyzen of Virginia. He has an amazing stance and opinions stated in his application. Plus, a history that I think would lend to being an asset to the committee. (I realize he doesn't meet the threshold of having attended at least one previous convention, but I think he should be considered.)
Cheers all, EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-26 00:53, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
Colleagues,
In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many excellent choices for the ten slots.
While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the importance of members having attended at least one previous convention so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules that they'll be in charge of modifying.
1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC) I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic, thoroughness, and effectiveness.
2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC) Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and effectively.
3. Mark Rutherford/IN Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on governance document best practices.
4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC) Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively shepherding the proposals through.
5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum) Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year, and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose, she is not!
6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum) Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background. Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct in the end.
7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum) Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider.
8. Cris Crawford/MA Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public relations.
9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum) I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again.
I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New Mexico.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents.
I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
And I also am taking the opportunity to recommend certain folks and interact with Mr. Bishop-Henchman's suggestions. While not all his choices are mine, I only disagree with one, and that is Andy Craig. I nominated Mr. Craig last term and spoke on his behalf - primarily because I believe that "factions" need to be put aside, and as a radical, I felt it important that I advocate for a pragmatist. However, he was incredibly difficult to deal with and was downright nasty. Mr. Craig is brilliant but until he learns how to get along with people who strongly disagree with him without turning on the sarcasm (even his answers on his application are sarcastic when it came to the question on committee transparency), I will never advocate for him again. I don't normally speak against anyone, but my experience with him was that bad to break my usual practice. I will not vote or support anyone not involved with their state or local parties nor anyone who has not attended a national convention. There are committees that are very suitable training grounds. This is not one of them. I also will not vote for anyone who does not support full committee transparency. As national party membership is required, Joe Burnes is disqualified as he says his dues have lapsed. Mike Starnes may not actually be a national member. My ten choices are: Myself - I served last term and have been deeply involved with completely overhauling the LPCO bylaws which have been praised by parliamentarians. I also am a member of the National Association of Parliamentarians and am studying for the next level of certification. I was able to reach across the aisle to Mr. Bishop-Henchman to compromise so that we both had the opportunity to present proposals we care about deeply, and I even spoke on the floor in favour of his proposal in the spirit of cooperation and amity. I can only assume that I was not recommended by JBH despite helping him pass something very important to him because I am the current Secretary. I disagree that it would interfere with the presentation of the report. It has never interfered with Ms. Mattson's duties in the past, and her being secretary did not have any negative impact on JBH's presentation of the report. Mike Seebeck - He is a fantastically hard worker, and proficient parliamentarian. He and I are both responsible for the LPCO bylaws overhaul. I know he has applied for both committees and he is one of the few who can more than handle it. It is hard to earn my unabashed respect. Mr. Seebeck has it in spades. When he was on alternate on the last platform committee, he did more work than any of the primary members. Richard Longstreth - He is another Colorado alum who was instrumental in turning that state party around and his absence is so obvious, and is Colorado's loss. Chuck Moulton - He and I disagree often, but his work ethic and integrity are beyond reproach. Richard Fast - hard, hard worker and solid Libertarian Aya Katz - she has thought through the issues carefully and studied the bylaws Elishiva Levin - hard worker who has the historical foundation Christopher Trasher - he is a man of intergrity and decorum Kenneth Olsen - great work ethic and necessary background Shawn Levasseur - very active in following the party issues on IPR Others that I would consider Joe Bishop-Henchman, David Blau, Spencer Dias, Rebecca Lau, Fransisco Lorzno, George Peacock, Thomas Rowlette, Ron Schnell, Paige Sexton Mr. Bishop-Henchman was not in my top ten list because he has ignored all attempts at collaboration and I have made many. I believe it is important we be open to all overtures, and that leaders in different factions go out of their way to build those bridges. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:30 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Attached is V3. What changed is the addition of Starchild's application. Correcting Duke/David Van Horn's application and forcing the pdf assembler to renumber the TOC. I had to talk to it very sternly.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:35 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joe, that's a good list.
I'd also like everyone to consider Chris Wiest. He's the Chair of LP Kentucky, a lawyer who's worked on multiple cases on behalf of Libertarian Party members. Chris has attention to detail, a good eye for streamlining, and is able to negotiate through a disagreement. Chris Wiest is a solid choice.
An applicant I was impressed with is Albert Veldhuyzen of Virginia. He has an amazing stance and opinions stated in his application. Plus, a history that I think would lend to being an asset to the committee. (I realize he doesn't meet the threshold of having attended at least one previous convention, but I think he should be considered.)
Cheers all, EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-26 00:53, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
Colleagues,
In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many excellent choices for the ten slots.
While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the importance of members having attended at least one previous convention so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules that they'll be in charge of modifying.
1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC) I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic, thoroughness, and effectiveness.
2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC) Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and effectively.
3. Mark Rutherford/IN Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on governance document best practices.
4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC) Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively shepherding the proposals through.
5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum) Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year, and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose, she is not!
6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum) Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background. Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct in the end.
7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum) Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider.
8. Cris Crawford/MA Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public relations.
9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum) I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again.
I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New Mexico.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents.
I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
I just want to note some loose usage of the term "parliamentarian" as it has been used here recently. The lay-person's usage may be that anyone who is more familiar with RONR than they are is considered a parliamentarian, however, within the National Association of Parliamentarians one must have attained an actual certification to be considered a parliamentarian. Though it may seem strange, even being a member of the NAP does not make one a parliamentarian. NAP members are people who have shown an interest in learning parliamentary procedure, but until a person actually receives at least a Registered Parliamentarian certification, they are merely members and not parliamentarians. There has been NAP organizational debate about this misleading nomenclature, that NAP members are mistakenly perceived by the outside world to be parliamentarians, suggesting that until a certification is received that we call them "associates" or some such instead of "members." I remember one woman in particular who debated against such a proposal saying that "Associates work at Walmart, but I'm a member!" So let's be careful about saying John Doe is a parliamentarian. Just because he has some familiarity with RONR, it doesn't mean he has a certification. -Alicia On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:21 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
And I also am taking the opportunity to recommend certain folks and interact with Mr. Bishop-Henchman's suggestions. While not all his choices are mine, I only disagree with one, and that is Andy Craig. I nominated Mr. Craig last term and spoke on his behalf - primarily because I believe that "factions" need to be put aside, and as a radical, I felt it important that I advocate for a pragmatist. However, he was incredibly difficult to deal with and was downright nasty. Mr. Craig is brilliant but until he learns how to get along with people who strongly disagree with him without turning on the sarcasm (even his answers on his application are sarcastic when it came to the question on committee transparency), I will never advocate for him again. I don't normally speak against anyone, but my experience with him was that bad to break my usual practice.
I will not vote or support anyone not involved with their state or local parties nor anyone who has not attended a national convention. There are committees that are very suitable training grounds. This is not one of them. I also will not vote for anyone who does not support full committee transparency.
As national party membership is required, Joe Burnes is disqualified as he says his dues have lapsed. Mike Starnes may not actually be a national member.
My ten choices are:
Myself - I served last term and have been deeply involved with completely overhauling the LPCO bylaws which have been praised by parliamentarians. I also am a member of the National Association of Parliamentarians and am studying for the next level of certification. I was able to reach across the aisle to Mr. Bishop-Henchman to compromise so that we both had the opportunity to present proposals we care about deeply, and I even spoke on the floor in favour of his proposal in the spirit of cooperation and amity. I can only assume that I was not recommended by JBH despite helping him pass something very important to him because I am the current Secretary. I disagree that it would interfere with the presentation of the report. It has never interfered with Ms. Mattson's duties in the past, and her being secretary did not have any negative impact on JBH's presentation of the report.
Mike Seebeck - He is a fantastically hard worker, and proficient parliamentarian. He and I are both responsible for the LPCO bylaws overhaul. I know he has applied for both committees and he is one of the few who can more than handle it. It is hard to earn my unabashed respect. Mr. Seebeck has it in spades. When he was on alternate on the last platform committee, he did more work than any of the primary members.
Richard Longstreth - He is another Colorado alum who was instrumental in turning that state party around and his absence is so obvious, and is Colorado's loss.
Chuck Moulton - He and I disagree often, but his work ethic and integrity are beyond reproach.
Richard Fast - hard, hard worker and solid Libertarian
Aya Katz - she has thought through the issues carefully and studied the bylaws
Elishiva Levin - hard worker who has the historical foundation
Christopher Trasher - he is a man of intergrity and decorum
Kenneth Olsen - great work ethic and necessary background
Shawn Levasseur - very active in following the party issues on IPR
Others that I would consider Joe Bishop-Henchman, David Blau, Spencer Dias, Rebecca Lau, Fransisco Lorzno, George Peacock, Thomas Rowlette, Ron Schnell, Paige Sexton
Mr. Bishop-Henchman was not in my top ten list because he has ignored all attempts at collaboration and I have made many. I believe it is important we be open to all overtures, and that leaders in different factions go out of their way to build those bridges.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:30 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org
wrote:
Attached is V3. What changed is the addition of Starchild's application. Correcting Duke/David Van Horn's application and forcing the pdf assembler to renumber the TOC. I had to talk to it very sternly.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 10:35 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Joe, that's a good list.
I'd also like everyone to consider Chris Wiest. He's the Chair of LP Kentucky, a lawyer who's worked on multiple cases on behalf of Libertarian Party members. Chris has attention to detail, a good eye for streamlining, and is able to negotiate through a disagreement. Chris Wiest is a solid choice.
An applicant I was impressed with is Albert Veldhuyzen of Virginia. He has an amazing stance and opinions stated in his application. Plus, a history that I think would lend to being an asset to the committee. (I realize he doesn't meet the threshold of having attended at least one previous convention, but I think he should be considered.)
Cheers all, EVH
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-10-26 00:53, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
Colleagues,
In advance of our e-meeting later today, I wanted to take the opportunity to make a pitch for some of the Bylaws candidates in the packet. This will certainly be a hard decision - we have many excellent choices for the ten slots.
While I was Bylaws chair for only a few weeks, I'm convinced of the importance of varied perspectives, balancing regions, having people with the ability to work collaboratively and persuasively, and the importance of members having attended at least one previous convention so they have direct appreciation for the bylaws and convention rules that they'll be in charge of modifying.
1. Richard Longstreth/AZ (LNC) I think everyone is familiar with Mr. Longstreth's work ethic, thoroughness, and effectiveness.
2. Paige Sexton/TN (LNC) Ms. Sexton reviewed successful bylaws changes in her state party, and I saw her lead that portion of the convention persuasively and effectively.
3. Mark Rutherford/IN Mr. Rutherford has attended every convention since 2000 and serves on multiple non-profit boards, and his law practice includes work on governance document best practices.
4. Kenneth Brent Olsen/CA (LNC) Dr. Olsen is chair of his state's bylaws committee, producing a very impressive PowerPoint presentation on the topic and effectively shepherding the proposals through.
5. Alicia Mattson/CA (LNC) (alum) Ms. Mattson and I have been on opposite sides many times this year, and were often on opposite sides on the Bylaws Committee last term as well. But her points were always precisely reasoned, with every I dotted and T crossed. She rolled up her sleeves on ideas she opposed to make them better. I would not support Ms. Mattson if she was still Secretary, as both jobs unfortunately meant she was wearing multiple hats when we needed to present the report. Luckily for this purpose, she is not!
6. Chuck Moulton/PA (alum) Dr. Moulton was honest broker on many of our proposals last term. He genuinely looks at stuff as to whether it's good for the party, and has a strong parliamentarian and historical experience background. Whenever I disagreed with him, it usually bore out that he was correct in the end.
7. Andy Craig/MD-WI-AR (alum) Mr. Craig ended up being a swing vote with me on many of the proposals last term, and can be counted on to think through the strengths and weaknesses of every idea the committee would consider.
8. Cris Crawford/MA Ms. Crawford has been a Party member since 1980, has chaired her state party's convention, and is an extraordinarily effective activist at petition gathering, finance, leadership, organization, and public relations.
9. myself/DC (LNC) (alum) I'd be honored for the opportunity to serve on the committee again.
I am still figuring out my tenth vote, but was impressed by the applications of Thomas Rowlette of Missouri, though I don't know much about him, Spencer Dias of New Hampshire, and Elishiva Levin of New Mexico.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-25 15:21, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
FYI the page numbers in the Bylaws packet do not match up with the table of contents.
I'm reaching out to people who applied to both Bylaws and Platform to inquire personally as to their preference between them. There's nothing wrong with being on both and many people have in the past - as I note in my email - but I don't intend to vote for anyone to be on both committees due to the time and focus commitment they both require. If anyone else would like to have the responses I get, I can send them to you off-list.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-10-24 12:11, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
Forwarded to public list.
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