Re: [Lnc-business] [Lnc-votes] P.S. - Re: updated draft of 4/15/17 LNC minutes
Not yet they don't. :-) Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On May 15, 2017, at 1:47 AM, lnc-votes@hq.lp.org wrote:
Minutes don't have minority reports.
-Alicia
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net> wrote:
As for inducting your "more entertaining and detailed rendition" into the historical archives, I suggest that we include it with the minutes in the form of a minority report.
Would you like to join me in striking a blow against the "tyranny of the majority" by co-sponsoring such a measure?
Love & Liberty,
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On May 15, 2017, at 1:34 AM, Starchild wrote:
Alicia,
I confess the particulars of the coin-tossing didn't strike me as a matter of historical significance either, although I did not read Caryn Ann's request that it be included as a joke, merely as whimsical. But in seizing the opportunity to likewise embrace whimsy and dramatize the incident for posterity, you certainly managed to pack a lot into that short passage! Among the sly political commentary:
• Asserting that a radical "gleefully" accepted authority granted by "the cult of the omnipotent state" • Invoking Roberts Rules of Order as a "sacred text" against majoritarian tyranny (I think many view it more along the lines of a necessary evil) • Attributing the choice of coin tosser to female privilege
Notwithstanding the cleverly barbed remarks noted above, your use of language in general and the Monty Python and Isaac Newton references in particular were enjoyable and artfully written. With an evident storytelling ability to match a presumed command of the rules, you must have made a formidable Dungeons & Dragons dungeon master at some point in your career. :-)
As for inducting your "more entertaining and detailed rendition" into the historical archives, I suggest that we include it with the minutes in the form of a minority report. I've often felt that the historical record could benefit from the inclusion of such reports, even at the cost of blaspheming against the "sacred text of Sir Robert" or invoking the wrath of the powerful Parliamentarians Guild.
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF
On May 15, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
Hey, what I wrote really happened...
Plus, turning someone into a newt was considered prima facie evidence of being a witch, so maybe that's not the role you want to play in the plot. :-)
I am baffled as to why this particular coin toss is perceived by some to be more of a historical event than the Guy McLendon / Doug Craig coin toss during the 2014 convention for the 5th at-large seat, or the drawing of names at the 2004 convention to break a tie between Admiral Colley and Sean Haugh. But if you believe it to be so, since I added New Jersey to the minutes, then will my more entertaining and detailed rendition of the event be inducted into the historical archives?
-Alicia
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: "at which point she turned him into a newt. Motion to bring a duck to the next meeting to determine if she used sorcery to manipulate this outcome passed unanimously. But then he got better."
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:10 AM Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: At the request of Ms. Harlos, I have re-drafted that section of the minutes to now read as follows:
Then did Sir Redpath, his arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, hold aloft the New Jersey-branded, quarter-dollar medallion (acquired on his last visit with The Sopranos) extracted from his Bag of Holding, signifying by Divine Providence that Sir McKnight (as regional representative for the Garden State) was to cast the medallion, and that Maid Harlos should be granted woman’s privilege to call the coin in the air.
Then did the objectors declare that flipping strange medallions encapsulated within the confines of purse strings is no basis for making committee appointments. Supreme executive power derives from a majority of the ballots, not from some farcical coinage-tossing ceremony.
Their cries went ignored, the tyranny of the majority having spoken contrary to the sacred text of Sir Robert.
With a grunt did Sir McKnight heave the medallion upward, only to be overcome by the natural forces described by Sir Newton. Maid Harlos did cry out “New Jersey!” as the medallion plummeted to the ground, leaving Sir Starr with the freedom fighter George Washington side of the medallion as his champion.
Lo, the medallion of arbitration thoroughly dissed the face of the founding father and landed with its homage to the state facing skyward. Maid Harlos did gleefully claim the mantle of authority granted to her by the cult of the omnipotent state, and vanquished Sir Starr to the lowly position of committee alternate.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I wasn't kidding. I think the call is both relevant (the coin decided) and is an interesting bit of history to be preserved. If the call of the coin wasn't determinative I wouldn't think it should be included (just like the date nor the metal components were not) but the actual call of "New Jersey" was pertinent and an interesting bit of Libertarian lore.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: I thought you guys were joking, rather than making an actual request.
Is it important that it happened to be a New Jersey quarter? I also didn't note that the paper ballots after round 1 were from hotel-branded notepads and said "Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh Downtown" at the top, and "600 Commonwealth Place, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 Tel: 412-594-5152 Fax: 412 594-5130 wyndham.com" at the bottom.
If you seriously want it there, I can add it, but I thought you were kidding.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Was there a problem with noting that I called "New Jersey" on the coin toss?
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: The period for comments on the 04/15/17 draft minutes ended on Sunday.
Attached is an updated version, sans Waldo.
Without objection, the attached updated draft will be auto-approved on May 16, 2017.
-Alicia
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That's why co-sponsoring would be a real blow against the tyranny of the majority! Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF On May 15, 2017, at 1:50 AM, Starchild wrote:
Not yet they don't. :-)
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On May 15, 2017, at 1:47 AM, lnc-votes@hq.lp.org wrote:
Minutes don't have minority reports.
-Alicia
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Starchild <sfdreamer@earthlink.net> wrote:
As for inducting your "more entertaining and detailed rendition" into the historical archives, I suggest that we include it with the minutes in the form of a minority report.
Would you like to join me in striking a blow against the "tyranny of the majority" by co-sponsoring such a measure?
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF
On May 15, 2017, at 1:34 AM, Starchild wrote:
Alicia,
I confess the particulars of the coin-tossing didn't strike me as a matter of historical significance either, although I did not read Caryn Ann's request that it be included as a joke, merely as whimsical. But in seizing the opportunity to likewise embrace whimsy and dramatize the incident for posterity, you certainly managed to pack a lot into that short passage! Among the sly political commentary:
• Asserting that a radical "gleefully" accepted authority granted by "the cult of the omnipotent state" • Invoking Roberts Rules of Order as a "sacred text" against majoritarian tyranny (I think many view it more along the lines of a necessary evil) • Attributing the choice of coin tosser to female privilege
Notwithstanding the cleverly barbed remarks noted above, your use of language in general and the Monty Python and Isaac Newton references in particular were enjoyable and artfully written. With an evident storytelling ability to match a presumed command of the rules, you must have made a formidable Dungeons & Dragons dungeon master at some point in your career. :-)
As for inducting your "more entertaining and detailed rendition" into the historical archives, I suggest that we include it with the minutes in the form of a minority report. I've often felt that the historical record could benefit from the inclusion of such reports, even at the cost of blaspheming against the "sacred text of Sir Robert" or invoking the wrath of the powerful Parliamentarians Guild.
Love & Liberty, ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (415) 625-FREE @StarchildSF
On May 15, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
Hey, what I wrote really happened...
Plus, turning someone into a newt was considered prima facie evidence of being a witch, so maybe that's not the role you want to play in the plot. :-)
I am baffled as to why this particular coin toss is perceived by some to be more of a historical event than the Guy McLendon / Doug Craig coin toss during the 2014 convention for the 5th at-large seat, or the drawing of names at the 2004 convention to break a tie between Admiral Colley and Sean Haugh. But if you believe it to be so, since I added New Jersey to the minutes, then will my more entertaining and detailed rendition of the event be inducted into the historical archives?
-Alicia
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: "at which point she turned him into a newt. Motion to bring a duck to the next meeting to determine if she used sorcery to manipulate this outcome passed unanimously. But then he got better."
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 1:10 AM Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: At the request of Ms. Harlos, I have re-drafted that section of the minutes to now read as follows:
Then did Sir Redpath, his arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, hold aloft the New Jersey-branded, quarter-dollar medallion (acquired on his last visit with The Sopranos) extracted from his Bag of Holding, signifying by Divine Providence that Sir McKnight (as regional representative for the Garden State) was to cast the medallion, and that Maid Harlos should be granted woman’s privilege to call the coin in the air.
Then did the objectors declare that flipping strange medallions encapsulated within the confines of purse strings is no basis for making committee appointments. Supreme executive power derives from a majority of the ballots, not from some farcical coinage-tossing ceremony.
Their cries went ignored, the tyranny of the majority having spoken contrary to the sacred text of Sir Robert.
With a grunt did Sir McKnight heave the medallion upward, only to be overcome by the natural forces described by Sir Newton. Maid Harlos did cry out “New Jersey!” as the medallion plummeted to the ground, leaving Sir Starr with the freedom fighter George Washington side of the medallion as his champion.
Lo, the medallion of arbitration thoroughly dissed the face of the founding father and landed with its homage to the state facing skyward. Maid Harlos did gleefully claim the mantle of authority granted to her by the cult of the omnipotent state, and vanquished Sir Starr to the lowly position of committee alternate.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: I wasn't kidding. I think the call is both relevant (the coin decided) and is an interesting bit of history to be preserved. If the call of the coin wasn't determinative I wouldn't think it should be included (just like the date nor the metal components were not) but the actual call of "New Jersey" was pertinent and an interesting bit of Libertarian lore.
-Caryn Ann
On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:41 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: I thought you guys were joking, rather than making an actual request.
Is it important that it happened to be a New Jersey quarter? I also didn't note that the paper ballots after round 1 were from hotel-branded notepads and said "Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh Downtown" at the top, and "600 Commonwealth Place, Pittsburgh, PA 15222 Tel: 412-594-5152 Fax: 412 594-5130 wyndham.com" at the bottom.
If you seriously want it there, I can add it, but I thought you were kidding.
-Alicia
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Was there a problem with noting that I called "New Jersey" on the coin toss?
-Caryn Ann
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:08 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote: The period for comments on the 04/15/17 draft minutes ended on Sunday.
Attached is an updated version, sans Waldo.
Without objection, the attached updated draft will be auto-approved on May 16, 2017.
-Alicia
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