Dear All, Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so. Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything. I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do. Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time. I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept. Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” *** Yours in liberty, Nick
Dear All, Ms. Ryan is somewhat inaccurate in her recollections of our last meeting. She specifically said that she was reluctant to bring up the questionable vacancy on the COC but had been ordered by the Chair to do so. The majority of the COC then brought up the fact that there are currently two motions pending before the LNC on this matter and we would wait until those are resolved before making any recommendations. This constant interference in the workings of the COC is getting old and needs to stop. We are doing over a years work in less than 5 weeks and need to concentrate our efforts on a great convention experience for all attendees. Live Free, --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-06-04 10:01, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
Mr. Goldstein, is there a recording of the CoC meeting? *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:10 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Ms. Ryan is somewhat inaccurate in her recollections of our last meeting. She specifically said that she was reluctant to bring up the questionable vacancy on the COC but had been ordered by the Chair to do so. The majority of the COC then brought up the fact that there are currently two motions pending before the LNC on this matter and we would wait until those are resolved before making any recommendations.
This constant interference in the workings of the COC is getting old and needs to stop. We are doing over a years work in less than 5 weeks and need to concentrate our efforts on a great convention experience for all attendees.
Live Free,
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 10:01, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
You would have to ask Ms. Ryan. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-06-04 10:47, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, is there a recording of the CoC meeting?
IN LIBERTY,
__ _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:10 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Ms. Ryan is somewhat inaccurate in her recollections of our last meeting. She specifically said that she was reluctant to bring up the questionable vacancy on the COC but had been ordered by the Chair to do so. The majority of the COC then brought up the fact that there are currently two motions pending before the LNC on this matter and we would wait until those are resolved before making any recommendations.
This constant interference in the workings of the COC is getting old and needs to stop. We are doing over a years work in less than 5 weeks and need to concentrate our efforts on a great convention experience for all attendees.
Live Free,
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 10:01, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** "Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy." ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
As she apparently reads this list, I hope she has seen my request. I will write her separately later tonight. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:00 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
You would have to ask Ms. Ryan. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 10:47, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
Mr. Goldstein, is there a recording of the CoC meeting?
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 8:10 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Ms. Ryan is somewhat inaccurate in her recollections of our last meeting. She specifically said that she was reluctant to bring up the questionable vacancy on the COC but had been ordered by the Chair to do so. The majority of the COC then brought up the fact that there are currently two motions pending before the LNC on this matter and we would wait until those are resolved before making any recommendations.
This constant interference in the workings of the COC is getting old and needs to stop. We are doing over a years work in less than 5 weeks and need to concentrate our efforts on a great convention experience for all attendees.
Live Free,
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 10:01, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** "Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy." ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
Nick, I never saw this communication come from Ms. Ryan. Her regional representative couldn't have shared something that was not received. Our email loses things regularly and we have been bombarded with emails. Thank you for sharing now and my apologies to Ms. Ryan if the fault was mine. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 07:01 Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate. I assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this: ---------------------------- Ms. Ryan: The last order of business is something I didn’t want to bring up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair. He has requested that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC. If you feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote. So, any…? COC member: Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the seat is not open? Ms. Ryan: It doesn’t matter. I have to do this. This is my order from the chair. [...] Me: The chair can’t give you orders like that. This is under… Ms. Ryan: I work at the pleasure of the chair. [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...] Me: So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next week so we can see how the email ballots play out. (second) Ms. Ryan: I’m not going to do that. I’ve been ordered. I will pass on… Me: Nick can’t order me not to postpone. ---------------------------- -Alicia On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
Was this meeting done in Mr Hayes’ zoom room? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate. I assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this:
---------------------------- Ms. Ryan: The last order of business is something I didn’t want to bring up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair. He has requested that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC. If you feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote. So, any…?
COC member: Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the seat is not open? Ms. Ryan: It doesn’t matter. I have to do this. This is my order from the chair. [...] Me: The chair can’t give you orders like that. This is under… Ms. Ryan: I work at the pleasure of the chair. [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...] Me: So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next week so we can see how the email ballots play out. (second) Ms. Ryan: I’m not going to do that. I’ve been ordered. I will pass on… Me: Nick can’t order me not to postpone. ----------------------------
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
Nope, in a room arranged by Ms. Ryan since Mr. Hayes had been fired as COC Chair by then. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-06-04 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Was this meeting done in Mr Hayes’ zoom room?
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate. I assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this:
---------------------------- Ms. Ryan: The last order of business is something I didn’t want to bring up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair. He has requested that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC. If you feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote. So, any…?
COC member: Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the seat is not open? Ms. Ryan: It doesn’t matter. I have to do this. This is my order from the chair. [...] Me: The chair can’t give you orders like that. This is under… Ms. Ryan: I work at the pleasure of the chair. [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...] Me: So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next week so we can see how the email ballots play out. (second) Ms. Ryan: I’m not going to do that. I’ve been ordered. I will pass on… Me: Nick can’t order me not to postpone. ----------------------------
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
Ms Ryan, then why did you ask me to ask Mr Hayes if the meeting was recorded? So I direct the question back, was the meeting recorded? On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:51 PM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
Nope, in a room arranged by Ms. Ryan since Mr. Hayes had been fired as COC Chair by then.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Was this meeting done in Mr Hayes’ zoom room?
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate. I assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this:
---------------------------- Ms. Ryan: The last order of business is something I didn’t want to bring up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair. He has requested that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC. If you feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote. So, any…?
COC member: Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the seat is not open? Ms. Ryan: It doesn’t matter. I have to do this. This is my order from the chair. [...] Me: The chair can’t give you orders like that. This is under… Ms. Ryan: I work at the pleasure of the chair. [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...] Me: So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next week so we can see how the email ballots play out. (second) Ms. Ryan: I’m not going to do that. I’ve been ordered. I will pass on… Me: Nick can’t order me not to postpone. ----------------------------
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I was asking about one you chaired. Now you have answered. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 6:09 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I appreciate your reaching out Bette Rose. However the chair has been ... uncommunicative lately. As such that option is not a good one for us.
However, as you point out several members of the COC are on the LNC and when their reports are all the same but do not match up with Mr Sarwark's second hand reports we have questions that need to be resolved, and that difficulty also makes going through the chair not a good option.
I know you not at all, but part of the job of chairing a committee is answering questions about that committee, and particularly when it directly involves your actions. If this is not something you are comfortable with, perhaps accepting the position was not the right answer for you. I mean that in a friendly fashion, not judgementally, as I am sure you work very hard on the COC, and I have frequently admitted that chairing anything is not for me as well.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jun 4, 2020 6:51 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Nope, in a room arranged by Ms. Ryan since Mr. Hayes had been fired as COC Chair by then.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee Convention Oversight Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-06-04 19:47, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Was this meeting done in Mr Hayes’ zoom room?
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree with Mr. Goldstein that Ms. Ryan's recollection is inaccurate. I assure you that the relevant part of the conversation went like this:
---------------------------- Ms. Ryan: The last order of business is something I didn’t want to bring up, but I’ve been painted into a corner by the chair. He has requested that we send him our recommendation for the seat that’s on the COC. If you feel the seat is not available, I urge you to abstain from the vote. So, any…?
COC member: Why don’t we take a consensus here of who thinks that the seat is not open? Ms. Ryan: It doesn’t matter. I have to do this. This is my order from the chair. [...] Me: The chair can’t give you orders like that. This is under… Ms. Ryan: I work at the pleasure of the chair. [...discussion of whether there is a vacancy, the ongoing LNC email ballots, and our desire to wait for email ballot results...] Me: So to deal with the agenda item, I’ll move to postpone it to next week so we can see how the email ballots play out. (second) Ms. Ryan: I’m not going to do that. I’ve been ordered. I will pass on… Me: Nick can’t order me not to postpone. ----------------------------
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:01 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Dear All,
Apparently the Chair of the Convention Oversight Committee responded to a number of LNC members about representations that were made by certain LNC members. Ms. Ryan had requested that her response be shared with the business list, but her Regional Representative did not do so.
Her response is below: *** “Can you post this for me? If there are things in it that you feel shouldn't be on the thread, go ahead and remove it - that is except for the first sentence. Robert sent me a note asking about this same issue but I think may answer didn't fit the narrative as I didn't see it post. The committee refuses to recommend someone, even Daniel because that will prove there is a vacancy. I need to get back to work but thank you for everything.
I, Ms. Ryan was never bullied by the Chairman. He asked me to call for a vote last weekend but the committee had other things on our plate. I brought it up as the last order of business and said Mr. Sarwark would like a vote of the committee. I did say I serve at the pleasure of the Chair because I do.
Someone motioned that we table the question although there was no motion made to table. Besides we rule by consensus. rarely taking a "vote". I said I was fine telling the Chairman that there was no recommendation from the committee at this time.
I do feel the Chairman was correct in his request and his reading of the policy manual. The Chairman has the right to unilaterally seat and therefore the right to remove the non-LNC members of the committee. Therefore there is a vacancy on the committee, which the members of the committee refused to accept.
Changing the policy manual is up to the LNC but I caution doing that in the heat of a controversy.” ***
Yours in liberty, Nick
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*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
participants (6)
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Alicia Mattson -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
john.phillips＠lp.org -
Nicholas Sarwark -
Richard Longstreth -
Sam Goldstein