LP Presidential Debates c/o Arvin Vohra
From Mr. Vohra:
" I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion: MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following: 1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates. 2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones) 3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like. This should include past debates for this election cycle. ********************************* If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them! To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/ In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/ " Get Outlook for Android
I'll co-sponsor. On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 7:05 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
From Mr. Vohra:
"
I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion:
MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following:
1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates.
2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like.
This should include past debates for this election cycle.
*********************************
If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them!
To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/
"
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I won't. / Can't. -Jeff Lyons LNC8A Get Outlook for Android On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:38 PM -0400, "Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I'll co-sponsor. On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 7:05 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
From Mr. Vohra:
"
I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion:
MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following:
1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates.
2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like.
This should include past debates for this election cycle.
*********************************
If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them!
To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/
"
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I will oppose this motion. The LNC and the LP have no ability nor desire to regulate organizations staging POTUS debates such as state parties or caucuses. We also don't have staff time nor the technology to make the guarantees in #3. Please don't co-sponsor this poorly written attempt to force LNC standards and regulations on others. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-29 20:39, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 7:05 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
From Mr. Vohra:
"
I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion:
MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following:
1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates.
2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like.
This should include past debates for this election cycle.
*********************************
If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them!
To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/
"
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I concur with Sam and Justin. Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts. Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
The reaction seems a bit out of proportion. I’m going to say something I rarely say because too many people, contrary to our bylaws, say this is our only purpose—- aren’t we hear to elect candidates? Are we seriously arguing that having a link storehouse of debates for our top of ticket nomination is wasting staff time???? I think we forget the purpose of conventions. It’s not themes, speakers, and locations. It’s for delegates to consider amendments to our governing docs, elect national committee, and every other convention to choose our top ticket candidates. How do delegates intelligently pick candidates? One would hope debates are a big part instead of just whatever barely one foot out of the Republican Party exploiter tells us. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Phil Anderson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concur with Sam and Justin.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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I think the impression here is that the LNC would be mandating standards on what would be published on our site. The question for those entities sponsoring debates is, do they care whether we publish them? Setting that aside, because of the subjectivity of the standards Arvin proposes and the wide array of situations in which debates are held or sponsored, I'm against. Delegates can get the information about candidates however they choose. There is plenty of opportunity. Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: The reaction seems a bit out of proportion. I’m going to say something I rarely say because too many people, contrary to our bylaws, say this is our only purpose—- aren’t we hear to elect candidates? Are we seriously arguing that having a link storehouse of debates for our top of ticket nomination is wasting staff time???? I think we forget the purpose of conventions. It’s not themes, speakers, and locations. It’s for delegates to consider amendments to our governing docs, elect national committee, and every other convention to choose our top ticket candidates. How do delegates intelligently pick candidates? One would hope debates are a big part instead of just whatever barely one foot out of the Republican Party exploiter tells us. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Phil Anderson via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I concur with Sam and Justin. Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts. Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative -- In Liberty, Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ =========================================================================Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org===========================================================...
I feel like I entered the twilight zone. They don’t have to care- it’s our standards. And it’s not terribly subjective since everyone mentioned audio and video quality. It seems we all know it when we see it. I’m honestly very surprised this is contentroversial. -Caryn Ann On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:59 PM Phil Anderson <phillip.anderson@lp.org> wrote:
I think the impression here is that the LNC would be mandating standards on what would be published on our site. The question for those entities sponsoring debates is, do they care whether we publish them?
Setting that aside, because of the subjectivity of the standards Arvin proposes and the wide array of situations in which debates are held or sponsored, I'm against. Delegates can get the information about candidates however they choose. There is plenty of opportunity.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" < caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
The reaction seems a bit out of proportion.
I’m going to say something I rarely say because too many people, contrary to our bylaws, say this is our only purpose—- aren’t we hear to elect candidates?
Are we seriously arguing that having a link storehouse of debates for our top of ticket nomination is wasting staff time????
I think we forget the purpose of conventions. It’s not themes, speakers, and locations. It’s for delegates to consider amendments to our governing docs, elect national committee, and every other convention to choose our top ticket candidates.
How do delegates intelligently pick candidates? One would hope debates are a big part instead of just whatever barely one foot out of the Republican Party exploiter tells us.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Phil Anderson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concur with Sam and Justin.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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Ms. Harlos, 1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates. 2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones) 3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like. So if there are over 20 declared candidates, as with the Democrats currently, who is going to keep track of them to make sure they were all included, as required in #1, in a dozen or more debates. Read #2 and tell me it is not totally subjective. Who is going to take the time to make those judgments for every debate that someone stages over the next 22 or so months? Lauren has already said that staff has many other priorities and the LNC is not in the business of setting standards for other people or entities. I'm honestly surprised that you would co-sponsor such a potential fiasco. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 16:31, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I feel like I entered the twilight zone.
They don’t have to care- it’s our standards.
And it’s not terribly subjective since everyone mentioned audio and video quality. It seems we all know it when we see it.
I’m honestly very surprised this is contentroversial.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:59 PM Phil Anderson <phillip.anderson@lp.org> wrote:
I think the impression here is that the LNC would be mandating standards on what would be published on our site. The question for those entities sponsoring debates is, do they care whether we publish them?
Setting that aside, because of the subjectivity of the standards Arvin proposes and the wide array of situations in which debates are held or sponsored, I'm against. Delegates can get the information about candidates however they choose. There is plenty of opportunity.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" < caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
The reaction seems a bit out of proportion.
I’m going to say something I rarely say because too many people, contrary to our bylaws, say this is our only purpose—- aren’t we hear to elect candidates?
Are we seriously arguing that having a link storehouse of debates for our top of ticket nomination is wasting staff time????
I think we forget the purpose of conventions. It’s not themes, speakers, and locations. It’s for delegates to consider amendments to our governing docs, elect national committee, and every other convention to choose our top ticket candidates.
How do delegates intelligently pick candidates? One would hope debates are a big part instead of just whatever barely one foot out of the Republican Party exploiter tells us.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Phil Anderson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concur with Sam and Justin.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* =========================================================================
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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Filed where, John? With the FEC? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 16:45, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
Just fyi there are over 20 filed candidates for the LP. Actively campaigning is less ... But still.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
Mr Goldstein I did not yet co-sponsor. But I am with Mr Longstreth on this. I believe motions should be heard. I rarely will not co-sponsor. And I agree #2 is too hazy. -Caryn Ann On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:54 PM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Filed where, John? With the FEC?
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-03-30 16:45, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
Just fyi there are over 20 filed candidates for the LP. Actively campaigning is less ... But still.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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FEC lists 23 individuals who have filed to run for President as a Libertarian. Mr. Vohra is actually not one of them. The list: BEHRMAN, DAN TAXATION IS THEFT BERRY, JOEY CAMPBELL, JOSEPH CHARLES HALE, DAKOTA HORST, HEATHER HURST, WILLIAM JOSEPH INCE, CECIL A INCE, CECIL ANTHONY SOUTHWEST KOKESH, ADAM LAYTON, NYLE BENJAMIN MR LEDER, BENJAMIN G LEE, SEYMOUR ART MALDONADO, JOSEPH A PEACH, JASON DANIEL REID, DERRICK MICHAEL RICHEY, STEVEN ALLEN ROBB, SAMUEL JOSPEH RUFF, KIMBERLY MARGARET SIBILIO, JASON MICHAEL SPIVEY, MARK DOUGLAS WEAVER, CHRISTOPHER FRANCIS MR. WHIPPLE, KRISTA MARIE MS. WILKERSON, TERRY Only Mr. Kokesh and Mr. Maldonado report having raised any funds. JBH ------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 On 2019-03-30 16:54, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Filed where, John? With the FEC?
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-03-30 16:45, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote:
Just fyi there are over 20 filed candidates for the LP. Actively campaigning is less ... But still.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
Same, I'm not sure we disagree. Whether we list all, some or no debates we will be criticized for it. Whether the LNC sets guidelines or the staff decides, we will be criticized. I just think it would be smart to defer this to candidate support to put forward a better resolutions clarifying since I'm sure this will be asked again so might as well clarify, although my personal preference is staff decides. Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Mar 30, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
FEC lists 23 individuals who have filed to run for President as a Libertarian. Mr. Vohra is actually not one of them.
The list: BEHRMAN, DAN TAXATION IS THEFT BERRY, JOEY CAMPBELL, JOSEPH CHARLES HALE, DAKOTA HORST, HEATHER HURST, WILLIAM JOSEPH INCE, CECIL A INCE, CECIL ANTHONY SOUTHWEST KOKESH, ADAM LAYTON, NYLE BENJAMIN MR LEDER, BENJAMIN G LEE, SEYMOUR ART MALDONADO, JOSEPH A PEACH, JASON DANIEL REID, DERRICK MICHAEL RICHEY, STEVEN ALLEN ROBB, SAMUEL JOSPEH RUFF, KIMBERLY MARGARET SIBILIO, JASON MICHAEL SPIVEY, MARK DOUGLAS WEAVER, CHRISTOPHER FRANCIS MR. WHIPPLE, KRISTA MARIE MS. WILKERSON, TERRY
Only Mr. Kokesh and Mr. Maldonado report having raised any funds.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-03-30 16:54, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote: Filed where, John? With the FEC? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-03-30 16:45, John Phillips via Lnc-business wrote: Just fyi there are over 20 filed candidates for the LP. Actively campaigning is less ... But still. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
'We all know it when we see it' is the definition of subjective. There is risk here, and nothing to be gained. Still opposed. Even more so. Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 3:42 PM -0500, "Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Ms. Harlos, 1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates. 2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones) 3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like. So if there are over 20 declared candidates, as with the Democrats currently, who is going to keep track of them to make sure they were all included, as required in #1, in a dozen or more debates. Read #2 and tell me it is not totally subjective. Who is going to take the time to make those judgments for every debate that someone stages over the next 22 or so months? Lauren has already said that staff has many other priorities and the LNC is not in the business of setting standards for other people or entities. I'm honestly surprised that you would co-sponsor such a potential fiasco. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 16:31, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
I feel like I entered the twilight zone.
They don’t have to care- it’s our standards.
And it’s not terribly subjective since everyone mentioned audio and video quality. It seems we all know it when we see it.
I’m honestly very surprised this is contentroversial.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:59 PM Phil Anderson wrote:
I think the impression here is that the LNC would be mandating standards on what would be published on our site. The question for those entities sponsoring debates is, do they care whether we publish them?
Setting that aside, because of the subjectivity of the standards Arvin proposes and the wide array of situations in which debates are held or sponsored, I'm against. Delegates can get the information about candidates however they choose. There is plenty of opportunity.
Get Outlook for Android
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM -0500, "Caryn Ann Harlos" < caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
The reaction seems a bit out of proportion.
I’m going to say something I rarely say because too many people, contrary to our bylaws, say this is our only purpose—- aren’t we hear to elect candidates?
Are we seriously arguing that having a link storehouse of debates for our top of ticket nomination is wasting staff time????
I think we forget the purpose of conventions. It’s not themes, speakers, and locations. It’s for delegates to consider amendments to our governing docs, elect national committee, and every other convention to choose our top ticket candidates.
How do delegates intelligently pick candidates? One would hope debates are a big part instead of just whatever barely one foot out of the Republican Party exploiter tells us.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 1:26 PM Phil Anderson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I concur with Sam and Justin.
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:04 AM -0500, "Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business" wrote:
I concurr with Sam. I understand and agree with the spirit if Arvin's request, and if and when we decide to sponsor "official" debates I would consider this request reasonable. But I will oppose trying to regulate a bunch of independent podcasts.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
*VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org * =========================================================================
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*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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This isn't forcing regulations on anyone, it is committing us to host debates on our site that meet our standards. That is perfectly reasonable. What am I missing here? I am inclined to co-sponsor but am baffled by Mr. Goldstein's comments. I would hope there isn't opposition merely because of the source. The past is the past. -Caryn Ann On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:49 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will oppose this motion. The LNC and the LP have no ability nor desire to regulate organizations staging POTUS debates such as state parties or caucuses. We also don't have staff time nor the technology to make the guarantees in #3.
Please don't co-sponsor this poorly written attempt to force LNC standards and regulations on others.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-03-29 20:39, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 7:05 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
From Mr. Vohra:
"
I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion:
MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following:
1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates.
2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like.
This should include past debates for this election cycle.
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If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them!
To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/
"
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It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates? I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences. --- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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Sam, Because if it goes to a vote, we only discuss it for a week while voting then we are done with it instead of it sitting half on the table for an indefinite period of time. I'd rather not let something be discussed to no end for weeks on end. This is another reason why I cosponsor just about every proposal. My vote is undecided and I would use the week to see arguments from both sides, voting near the end of the period, similar to in person motions and debate. There are those among us who will not offer any input until it is an issue that we are voting on because they see the back and forth banter as annoying and criticize people for sharing their opinions and debating over email with no sign of action forthcoming. Forcing a vote allows possible action to occur, encourages debate and decision making, gets a clear stance on where everyone falls, and reduces emails. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 09:51 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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Richard, I disagree. Sponsoring every motion that one random person ask the LNC to pass encourages others to do the same which take up an inordinate amount of time. If a proposal does not attract enough co-sponsors the discussion is usually brief and it goes away. Most people outside the LNC have no idea of what we can/cannot do and don't know how to properly word proposals anyway. Those who don't participate in discussions of every idea that comes before us most likely have their own opinions and don't participate because they see no reason to do so. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 13:40, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
Sam,
Because if it goes to a vote, we only discuss it for a week while voting then we are done with it instead of it sitting half on the table for an indefinite period of time. I'd rather not let something be discussed to no end for weeks on end. This is another reason why I cosponsor just about every proposal. My vote is undecided and I would use the week to see arguments from both sides, voting near the end of the period, similar to in person motions and debate. There are those among us who will not offer any input until it is an issue that we are voting on because they see the back and forth banter as annoying and criticize people for sharing their opinions and debating over email with no sign of action forthcoming.
Forcing a vote allows possible action to occur, encourages debate and decision making, gets a clear stance on where everyone falls, and reduces emails.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 09:51 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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Sam, I did not, and typically do not cosponsor until others have done the same and I see merit in the preliminary debate on both sides. Review previous votes for verification. I'm not sure why you are calling me out when I indicated I was undecided but wanted to vote on the manner after hearing more debate. We simply will have to agree to disagree on what pushing something to a vote accomplishes. I ask that you now criticize every other person for their cosponsorship as well instead of singling me out (you specifically asked why I would cosponsor this but questioned nobody else in the same manner). For review, the original cosponsor was Whitney and Caryn Ann indicated she might. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 11:24 Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
Richard,
I disagree. Sponsoring every motion that one random person ask the LNC to pass encourages others to do the same which take up an inordinate amount of time. If a proposal does not attract enough co-sponsors the discussion is usually brief and it goes away. Most people outside the LNC have no idea of what we can/cannot do and don't know how to properly word proposals anyway.
Those who don't participate in discussions of every idea that comes before us most likely have their own opinions and don't participate because they see no reason to do so.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
Sam,
Because if it goes to a vote, we only discuss it for a week while voting then we are done with it instead of it sitting half on the table for an indefinite period of time. I'd rather not let something be discussed to no end for weeks on end. This is another reason why I cosponsor just about every proposal. My vote is undecided and I would use the week to see arguments from both sides, voting near the end of the period, similar to in person motions and debate. There are those among us who will not offer any input until it is an issue that we are voting on because they see the back and forth banter as annoying and criticize people for sharing their opinions and debating over email with no sign of action forthcoming.
Forcing a vote allows possible action to occur, encourages debate and decision making, gets a clear stance on where everyone falls, and reduces emails.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 09:51 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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On 2019-03-30 13:40, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote: *
Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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Tim, I love the idea of links instead and encouraging those who want an LP.org bump to email direct links to us. Staff time would be minimal if that's how we executed. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 09:51 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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In response to Tim's question: this could take a lot of staff time. It is difficult to predict because we don't know how many such debates there might be. I am indeed concerned about staff time. Our workload is going to increase by orders of magnitude on into 2020. On a slightly different note, if the quality on any of the debates is bad (bad quality audio, bad quality video, etc), guess who will get blamed by a lot of folks: staff. Even if we make it clear that a given debate was hosted by some other entity, LP staff will get blamed if the execution is less than excellent. And then we'll get emails from folks canceling their memberships etc because they think we are not running a polished, quality operation. Lauren Daugherty Interim Executive Director Libertarian National Committee On 3/30/2019 11:51 AM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:
How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
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I agree with all the sentiments against this motion. At best, candidates may be listed somewhere at LP.org and only if they meet the same list of requirements the candidate support committee created (or some other standard, but easier to use standards that already exist) for requesting LNC support. Those candidates websites should have the burden of listing where people can find more info. Although whether we do this or anything else I don’t think it needs an action of the LNC (as far as I’m aware I don’t think the LNC is required to micromanage LP.org content), I assume that this can be handled at the discretion of the ED with input of Staff and the Committee of what is proper and equitable. Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
In response to Tim's question: this could take a lot of staff time. It is difficult to predict because we don't know how many such debates there might be. I am indeed concerned about staff time. Our workload is going to increase by orders of magnitude on into 2020.
On a slightly different note, if the quality on any of the debates is bad (bad quality audio, bad quality video, etc), guess who will get blamed by a lot of folks: staff. Even if we make it clear that a given debate was hosted by some other entity, LP staff will get blamed if the execution is less than excellent. And then we'll get emails from folks canceling their memberships etc because they think we are not running a polished, quality operation.
Lauren Daugherty Interim Executive Director Libertarian National Committee
On 3/30/2019 11:51 AM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote: How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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* In Liberty,*
*Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org> or Secretary@LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia@LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/
========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation *
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I'm with Alex Merced on this. There's no need for the LNC to micromanage what's put onto LP national social media. If there are debates that are audio, video, and/or both, they can be submitted for consideration and a decision made by the ED and/or other staff. I see no reason to mandate a policy that covers debates other than the debates that will be officially sponsored by the LP. EVH --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2019-03-30 14:30, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
I agree with all the sentiments against this motion.
At best, candidates may be listed somewhere at LP.org and only if they meet the same list of requirements the candidate support committee created (or some other standard, but easier to use standards that already exist) for requesting LNC support. Those candidates websites should have the burden of listing where people can find more info.
Although whether we do this or anything else I don’t think it needs an action of the LNC (as far as I’m aware I don’t think the LNC is required to micromanage LP.org content), I assume that this can be handled at the discretion of the ED with input of Staff and the Committee of what is proper and equitable.
Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
In response to Tim's question: this could take a lot of staff time. It is difficult to predict because we don't know how many such debates there might be. I am indeed concerned about staff time. Our workload is going to increase by orders of magnitude on into 2020.
On a slightly different note, if the quality on any of the debates is bad (bad quality audio, bad quality video, etc), guess who will get blamed by a lot of folks: staff. Even if we make it clear that a given debate was hosted by some other entity, LP staff will get blamed if the execution is less than excellent. And then we'll get emails from folks canceling their memberships etc because they think we are not running a polished, quality operation.
Lauren Daugherty Interim Executive Director Libertarian National Committee
On 3/30/2019 11:51 AM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote: How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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I actually disagree with Mr Merced on this issue. I can envision situations where staff decides not to link to or list some debates and then experiences strong criticism for excluding some while including others. Libertarians are perfectly capable of advertising their pre-convention debates over social media and broadcasting links to them for future viewing. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 16:53, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Alex Merced on this. There's no need for the LNC to micromanage what's put onto LP national social media.
If there are debates that are audio, video, and/or both, they can be submitted for consideration and a decision made by the ED and/or other staff. I see no reason to mandate a policy that covers debates other than the debates that will be officially sponsored by the LP.
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On 2019-03-30 14:30, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:
I agree with all the sentiments against this motion.
At best, candidates may be listed somewhere at LP.org and only if they meet the same list of requirements the candidate support committee created (or some other standard, but easier to use standards that already exist) for requesting LNC support. Those candidates websites should have the burden of listing where people can find more info.
Although whether we do this or anything else I don’t think it needs an action of the LNC (as far as I’m aware I don’t think the LNC is required to micromanage LP.org content), I assume that this can be handled at the discretion of the ED with input of Staff and the Committee of what is proper and equitable.
Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On Mar 30, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Lauren Daugherty via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
In response to Tim's question: this could take a lot of staff time. It is difficult to predict because we don't know how many such debates there might be. I am indeed concerned about staff time. Our workload is going to increase by orders of magnitude on into 2020.
On a slightly different note, if the quality on any of the debates is bad (bad quality audio, bad quality video, etc), guess who will get blamed by a lot of folks: staff. Even if we make it clear that a given debate was hosted by some other entity, LP staff will get blamed if the execution is less than excellent. And then we'll get emails from folks canceling their memberships etc because they think we are not running a polished, quality operation.
Lauren Daugherty Interim Executive Director Libertarian National Committee
On 3/30/2019 11:51 AM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote: How much staff time will this take? The way the motion is written, someone on staff have to take their time to hunt for all of the debates, review the debate criteria for inclusion, view the debates for quality, secure a copy of the files, and download the files. What if the podcast has the debate file copyrighted? Will we have to pay to post the debate? Will this also include vice presidential debates?
I can see providing links to debates hosted by state affiliates. Anything else needs to be carefully examined for unintentional consequences.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2019-03-30 06:43, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: It is asking for us to post the final debate files - it doesn't impose requirements on anyone else, it is requirements if we are to post. It is not to advertise debates - this takes place AFTER the debate took place.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:26 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
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The only official LPL POTUS debate is the one at the convention and is conducted by the Convention Oversight Committee. The LNC has always stayed out of the pre-convention POTUS conversation for very good reasons. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 09:26, Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business wrote:
The request isn't for the LNC to host debates, I would support that. Odds for the LNC to promote and advertise debates hosted by private podcasts and Facebook pages not affiliarlted with us, amd to impose rules on them.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
Sam, our discretion after the fact. On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:14 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a candidate/running mate I will need to recuse myself if this comes up for vote.
I could argue both sides of it as well.
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I will cosponsor to hear more but my vote is undecided. I can see arguments on both sides, however, I think the key piece of information that seems to be confused is that this would only require us to upload files of debates after they were complete and in decent quality provided the could verify that the debate was open and fair. This doesn't require much more than an upload of a media file after debates happen and allows for delegates to have a one stop shop to easily view or hear various debates prior to our convention. There is no endorsement piece. What am I missing? Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 07:19 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, our discretion after the fact.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:14 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a candidate/running mate I will need to recuse myself if this comes up for vote.
I could argue both sides of it as well.
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I think there are some tweaks to be made to Mr. Vohra's proposal. We should certainly promote any campaign media we can, as long as it's impartial. By setting some clear guidelines for what we will promote (the inclusion of all candidates) will encourage the outlets who want to get a bump from our platform to attempt to reach those standards. On the other hand, there's no way of counting all the "announced" candidates or ensuring they are serious and in line with Libertarian platforms. I could announce seeking an LP Nom today and declare taxation is the price we pay to live in a society, and demand to be included in debates just to troll and embarrass. So there are some obvious pitfalls here, though it is a well-intentioned idea. I think it should be workshopped a little, but as with our experiments in alternative voting, we should explore how we commission internal debates and use it to better develop arguments for debates inclusion. Very Respectfully, Jeff Lyons LNC8A Get Outlook for Android On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 12:27 PM -0400, "Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I will cosponsor to hear more but my vote is undecided. I can see arguments on both sides, however, I think the key piece of information that seems to be confused is that this would only require us to upload files of debates after they were complete and in decent quality provided the could verify that the debate was open and fair. This doesn't require much more than an upload of a media file after debates happen and allows for delegates to have a one stop shop to easily view or hear various debates prior to our convention. There is no endorsement piece. What am I missing? Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 07:19 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, our discretion after the fact.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:14 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a candidate/running mate I will need to recuse myself if this comes up for vote.
I could argue both sides of it as well.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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Richard, Why would you co-sponsor such a poorly worded motion that would be difficult, if not impossible, to implement? Email ballots are not like debating something in person, once the motion is co-sponsored it is yes or no vote. --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 12:27, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
I will cosponsor to hear more but my vote is undecided.
I can see arguments on both sides, however, I think the key piece of information that seems to be confused is that this would only require us to upload files of debates after they were complete and in decent quality provided the could verify that the debate was open and fair. This doesn't require much more than an upload of a media file after debates happen and allows for delegates to have a one stop shop to easily view or hear various debates prior to our convention. There is no endorsement piece.
What am I missing?
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2019, 07:19 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Sam, our discretion after the fact.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 8:14 AM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a candidate/running mate I will need to recuse myself if this comes up for vote.
I could argue both sides of it as well.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
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Ms. Harlos, What does the section below mean to yoy? 2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep
out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
How exactly is the LNC going to regulate these very subjective criteria? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2019-03-30 09:12, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
This isn't forcing regulations on anyone, it is committing us to host debates on our site that meet our standards. That is perfectly reasonable. What am I missing here? I am inclined to co-sponsor but am baffled by Mr. Goldstein's comments. I would hope there isn't opposition merely because of the source. The past is the past.
-Caryn Ann
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 6:49 AM Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I will oppose this motion. The LNC and the LP have no ability nor desire to regulate organizations staging POTUS debates such as state parties or caucuses. We also don't have staff time nor the technology to make the guarantees in #3.
Please don't co-sponsor this poorly written attempt to force LNC standards and regulations on others.
--- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2019-03-29 20:39, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:
I'll co-sponsor.
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, 7:05 PM Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
From Mr. Vohra:
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I request that my LNC representatives sponsor/cosponsor the following motion:
MOTION: Direct the staff to post all Libertarian presidential debates on LP.org, on the LP National Facebook page, the LP National Twitter, and the periodic news summary emails sent out to the membership, subject to the following:
1. The debates must be open to all declared Libertarian candidates.
2. The debates must not use underhanded or indirect methods to keep out particular candidates (e.g. setting the debate at a time that would be bizarre for some U.S. time zones)
3. The debates must not suffer from majorly distracting audio issues, including feedback, heavy static, and the like.
This should include past debates for this election cycle.
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If you would like to help ensure that this motion actually gets voted on, note that it requires 4 cosponsors. Cosponsors do not need to agree with the motion, just agree that it should be voted on. Many people sponsor motions so that they can vote against them!
To help it see a vote, or to support it, contact your LNC regional representative, the at-large representatives, and any officers you see fit (e.g. Chair, Vice Chair, Secretary, Treasurer). Their contact information is here: https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/
In addition, you should contact your state chair. Many regional reps poll state chairs before deciding how to vote on a motion. Contact information for state parties is here: https://www.lp.org/state-affiliates/
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participants (14)
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Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Elizabeth Van Horn -
Jeff Lyons -
Joe Bishop-Henchman -
John Phillips -
Joshua Smith -
Justin O'Donnell -
Lauren Daugherty -
Phil Anderson -
Richard Longstreth -
Sam Goldstein -
Tim Hagan -
Whitney Bilyeu