EMAIL BALLOT 200513-1 MOTION TO RESCIND MAY 9 MOTION DESCRIBED BELOW
We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith ============================================= Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1, the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida. ============================================= THRESHOLD REQUIRED: You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet. Please notify me of any discrepancies. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
There can be no ruling without a live motion. But I ask you to go look up RONR. This is not a motion to reconsider. It is a motion tor rescind. You are incorrect on the rules for a motion or rescind. Please see page 307. In contrast to the case of the motion to Reconsider, there is no time limit on making these motions [rescind or amend something previously adopted] after the adoption of the measure to which they are applied, and they can be moved by any member, *regardless of how he voted on the original question.* I am not the chair and have no weight, but I am asking you to go look it up for yourself. You are fundamentally mistaken. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:38 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I OBJECT
I oppose this ballot being started prior to a ruling of the chair on my objection that it was not properly sponsored.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 14, 2020 12:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
Justin, As Caryn Ann has already noted, this is not a motion to "reconsider" but is instead a motion to "rescind" which has no constraints on who can move it. If it were a motion to reconsider, there is only an eligibility requirement for the mover but not for the seconds, RONR p. 320: "Must be seconded at the time it is made. Unlike the making of the motion, which must be done by a person who voted with the prevailing side, the seconding can be done by any member regardless of how he voted on the motion to be reconsidered." -Alicia <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:38 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I OBJECT
I oppose this ballot being started prior to a ruling of the chair on my objection that it was not properly sponsored.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 14, 2020 12:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I believe in a compromise. I have floated an alternate compromise. But I concur with Mr. Smith. I am voting yes. If it is defeated, I will do my damnest to make the online thinking work, but I can do nothing about the flaws. And it has been made clear to me that the chair is doing nothing to set me up for success in my role in that activity. I will make the best our of a bad situation for this party and its members no matter what. I am not entirely at peace with a yes vote on this without the other motion being passed but I am less at peace with pretending this online fiasco is a deliberative assembly. In any event, I will accept our decision and will not undermine or perform subterfuge. This motion is the right way to challenge decisions. Not social media scheming. We need to preserve ballot access for GA and NH but why hasn't the chair authorized litigation there? WHY?????? I urge us also to take the ball into our own hands and authorize that litigation. And to authorize the signing of the contract by any officer. We have allowed these games to be played for too long. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:38 PM joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'm an LNC member. I'm a current candidate for Chair of the LNC. I'm a delegate to the national convention for California.
I didn't even recieve an email for this "test" convention. I wasn't able to log in. Many other people have said the same. Zoom has a cap at 1k, and we have 1046 delegates. People are not able to speak when they want to. It is fraught with tech issues.
This is not going to work, and with only ten days left, it's time to admit that to ourselves and come up with something different.
For those reasons, I vote yes on this motion.
In liberty, Joshua
On May 13, 2020 11:59 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Justin,
As Caryn Ann has already noted, this is not a motion to "reconsider" but is instead a motion to "rescind" which has no constraints on who can move it.
If it were a motion to reconsider, there is only an eligibility requirement for the mover but not for the seconds, RONR p. 320: "Must be seconded at the time it is made. Unlike the making of the motion, which must be done by a person who voted with the prevailing side, the seconding can be done by any member regardless of how he voted on the motion to be reconsidered."
-Alicia
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:38 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I OBJECT
I oppose this ballot being started prior to a ruling of the chair on my objection that it was not properly sponsored.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 14, 2020 12:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
Listen to Oklahoma. They are dead right. And I remind everyone it is not us waffling - A DECISION WAS MADE ON MAY 2. It should have been over and done with THEN. In order to try to make everyone happy a compromise was worked on, and then not honoured by our chair. I am not going to lose a minute of sleep of trying to stop the LNC from being played like a fiddle and neither should you. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I believe in a compromise. I have floated an alternate compromise. But I concur with Mr. Smith. I am voting yes. If it is defeated, I will do my damnest to make the online thinking work, but I can do nothing about the flaws. And it has been made clear to me that the chair is doing nothing to set me up for success in my role in that activity. I will make the best our of a bad situation for this party and its members no matter what. I am not entirely at peace with a yes vote on this without the other motion being passed but I am less at peace with pretending this online fiasco is a deliberative assembly.
In any event, I will accept our decision and will not undermine or perform subterfuge. This motion is the right way to challenge decisions. Not social media scheming. We need to preserve ballot access for GA and NH but why hasn't the chair authorized litigation there? WHY?????? I urge us also to take the ball into our own hands and authorize that litigation. And to authorize the signing of the contract by any officer. We have allowed these games to be played for too long.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:38 PM joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'm an LNC member. I'm a current candidate for Chair of the LNC. I'm a delegate to the national convention for California.
I didn't even recieve an email for this "test" convention. I wasn't able to log in. Many other people have said the same. Zoom has a cap at 1k, and we have 1046 delegates. People are not able to speak when they want to. It is fraught with tech issues.
This is not going to work, and with only ten days left, it's time to admit that to ourselves and come up with something different.
For those reasons, I vote yes on this motion.
In liberty, Joshua
On May 13, 2020 11:59 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Justin,
As Caryn Ann has already noted, this is not a motion to "reconsider" but is instead a motion to "rescind" which has no constraints on who can move it.
If it were a motion to reconsider, there is only an eligibility requirement for the mover but not for the seconds, RONR p. 320: "Must be seconded at the time it is made. Unlike the making of the motion, which must be done by a person who voted with the prevailing side, the seconding can be done by any member regardless of how he voted on the motion to be reconsidered."
-Alicia
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:38 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I OBJECT
I oppose this ballot being started prior to a ruling of the chair on my objection that it was not properly sponsored.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 14, 2020 12:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
Our platform demands that the constitution not be suspended in times of war, and the Platform Committee is proposing to add other conditions to that. The LNC is currently voting on a motion to say that emergencies are not a legitimate reason to violate rights. How can the LNC, then, facilitate what is clearly going to be a bulldozing of delegate rights with this online convention plan? There were many delegates who were unable to attend tonight's online event, so I need to share some information that was given. First recall that Zoom has a meeting mode, and it has a webinar mode. In meeting mode, participants can see who else is present, can see whose hands are raised, and NORMALLY have mic/video rights, as it is designed for a more deliberative process. In webinar mode, it's designed to be one-way information, presenter gives info and the rest are passive observers, and it is not designed for a deliberative process for group decisions. We can't tell who else is or is not present. We can't see whose hands are raised or whether the chair is recognizing people in the order in which hands were raised. We are locked in isolation cages and can only speak when someone else gives us permission. Tonight it was explained that in meeting mode, Zoom has an absolute maximum capacity of 1000 participants. We have 1046 delegates, so the platform which has been chosen is not capable of hosting all of our delegates. This is a serious matter when we're talking about duly elected delegates being prevented from attending the meeting because they're one of the last 46 to arrive. The chair indicated we would use meeting mode for the Friday night credentialing and agenda process, but then when it came time for elections, he would put us into webinar mode because it can handle up to 3000 participants. Remember webinar mode from the first test run? Remember all my comments about how that violates the fundamental requirements for simultaneous aural communication among all participants, noted on page ONE of RONR? I thought we were past that possibility when the second test run was put into meeting mode, and we were allowed to control our own mics. Webinar mode means you have no means of raising a point of order or other privileged motion in a timely manner. This is also a very serious fundamental rights issue. If our rules are violated, and we can't immediately act to alert the assembly to the problem and have it corrected, it's a huge problem. Some mistake made impacting a candidate's status? Election results are incorrect? Delegates who are for some reason unable to enter the meeting to exercise their rights to vote? Can't open your mic to say anything. For tonight's trial we were actually in meeting mode, but the account admins had chosen to take away our microphone controls even in meeting mode!! Under these conditions, delegate rights are subject to the whims of a chair who has, more and more lately, demonstrated that he doesn't give a flip about the rights of members to speak in meetings. I am not going to surrender my rights as a member to such a chair. Tonight we practiced with debate over the silly subject of whether hot dogs are sandwiches. How did that go? The motions and debate were funny, however there were numerous procedural violations. The Chair refused to designate any particular means by which a delegate could raise a point of order. He sorta suggested maybe we could flash icons or something but then refused to pay attention to such signals. There were various causes for points of order: debate not germane to the motion, the motions being misstated as completely different things than were moved, the polls being put up for voting also containing the wrong motion, too many amendments pending at a time, etc. These are all things that need someone to say something immediately, but we couldn't. We were left trying all sorts of novel things to get attention: flash various icons repeatedly, physically wave our hands on our video, hold up notes to our cameras. Nothing worked. All we could do was raise our hands to get in line to speak with non-privileged priority...which took 20 minutes. Oh, and if in the meantime we tried flashing yes/no/coffee/fast/slow icons, Zoom put our hand down and took us out of the waiting line to speak. At one point when I had a hand up for a point of order, a faceless admin pulled me out of the main hall and put me into the credentialing room, which also lost my place in the speaking queue. When several people eventually got to speak after waiting forever to raise points of order the chair was very dismissive about the inability to exercise our rights to raise privileged motions. He clearly didn't care and wasn't going to see that any mechanism was implemented. Instead we were treated to the chair whining that: -privileged motions annoy him -privileged motions are "a giant pain in the ass" -he doesn't know a right way to get a privileged motion to bubble up -it's tricky, and I don't have an answer -and maybe if someone put up the coffee cup icon he could somehow send the parliamentarian to "deal with the individual." It was callous disregard for delegate rights to call attention to potentially serious problems, and it was clear he doesn't WANT to allow us to do that. I'm also going to say it out loud that by the end of it, the chair was drunk and slurring words. Is this how this board is going to allow the selection of our Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees to proceed? With a chair hostile to delegate rights just gaveling through? We owe better to our members. All of this is on top of the MANY, MANY complaints we are getting about delegates not having received the notices/links, not being able to enter the room, etc. All the other execution problems are also serious, but to me are secondary to the reality that the chair intends to bulldoze all of us. The chair keeps saying that we will try to follow our existing rules as closely as possible. In this meeting, he declared that election voting will just be each delegation figuring out for themselves how to vote, and they can do it any way they want, and then these 51 sets of results get submitted. (By the way, the Secretary has been told that these votes will first go through staff and not even be submitted directly to her...there should NOT be a middle-man!!) In the meeting I pointed out that our Convention Rule 10 requires these delegation votes to be by written ballot, and the individual ballots submitted for tellers to double-check the tallies. I asked how this plan is compliant with our rules. I explained the reason this rule exists is that we have discovered MANY, MANY errors in delegation tallies, and we need double-checking to minimize the chances of announcing incorrect election results. The chair was dismissive, oh well, we'll do our best... It is important that delegate votes be counted properly, and these are not issues that we can afford to take lightly. I'm not unsympathetic to the couple of states with early deadlines, but we just need to use lawyers and fight for judicial relief in those states. Why is that not already being done anyway? -Alicia <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#m_-8980570466629482085_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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Very serious concerns. I am going to vote and work. That’s it. I’m not going to respond to emotional yells. Everyone vote your conscience. My priority is fundamental rights. I am not going to deviate from that for appearances. I am not going to deviate from that for anything. I am ignoring the rest. I am ignoring social media. It is our job to ensure rights are not violated. Timing of motions, who’s getting elected or re elected or who is upset are not my concern. The votes will go as they may. And I will do my job. But I will not violate member rights. Period. We’ve let the chair get away with murder. Some of us wrote a letter in October. It was largely ignored. I’m not going to let member rights be violated. If you are not talking about rights save your breath with me. I’ve let myself get distracted from that. No more. If you’re not dealing with rights leave me out of it. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:28 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Our platform demands that the constitution not be suspended in times of war, and the Platform Committee is proposing to add other conditions to that. The LNC is currently voting on a motion to say that emergencies are not a legitimate reason to violate rights. How can the LNC, then, facilitate what is clearly going to be a bulldozing of delegate rights with this online convention plan?
There were many delegates who were unable to attend tonight's online event, so I need to share some information that was given.
First recall that Zoom has a meeting mode, and it has a webinar mode. In meeting mode, participants can see who else is present, can see whose hands are raised, and NORMALLY have mic/video rights, as it is designed for a more deliberative process. In webinar mode, it's designed to be one-way information, presenter gives info and the rest are passive observers, and it is not designed for a deliberative process for group decisions. We can't tell who else is or is not present. We can't see whose hands are raised or whether the chair is recognizing people in the order in which hands were raised. We are locked in isolation cages and can only speak when someone else gives us permission.
Tonight it was explained that in meeting mode, Zoom has an absolute maximum capacity of 1000 participants. We have 1046 delegates, so the platform which has been chosen is not capable of hosting all of our delegates. This is a serious matter when we're talking about duly elected delegates being prevented from attending the meeting because they're one of the last 46 to arrive.
The chair indicated we would use meeting mode for the Friday night credentialing and agenda process, but then when it came time for elections, he would put us into webinar mode because it can handle up to 3000 participants.
Remember webinar mode from the first test run? Remember all my comments about how that violates the fundamental requirements for simultaneous aural communication among all participants, noted on page ONE of RONR? I thought we were past that possibility when the second test run was put into meeting mode, and we were allowed to control our own mics.
Webinar mode means you have no means of raising a point of order or other privileged motion in a timely manner. This is also a very serious fundamental rights issue. If our rules are violated, and we can't immediately act to alert the assembly to the problem and have it corrected, it's a huge problem. Some mistake made impacting a candidate's status? Election results are incorrect? Delegates who are for some reason unable to enter the meeting to exercise their rights to vote? Can't open your mic to say anything.
For tonight's trial we were actually in meeting mode, but the account admins had chosen to take away our microphone controls even in meeting mode!!
Under these conditions, delegate rights are subject to the whims of a chair who has, more and more lately, demonstrated that he doesn't give a flip about the rights of members to speak in meetings. I am not going to surrender my rights as a member to such a chair.
Tonight we practiced with debate over the silly subject of whether hot dogs are sandwiches. How did that go? The motions and debate were funny, however there were numerous procedural violations. The Chair refused to designate any particular means by which a delegate could raise a point of order. He sorta suggested maybe we could flash icons or something but then refused to pay attention to such signals.
There were various causes for points of order: debate not germane to the motion, the motions being misstated as completely different things than were moved, the polls being put up for voting also containing the wrong motion, too many amendments pending at a time, etc. These are all things that need someone to say something immediately, but we couldn't.
We were left trying all sorts of novel things to get attention: flash various icons repeatedly, physically wave our hands on our video, hold up notes to our cameras. Nothing worked. All we could do was raise our hands to get in line to speak with non-privileged priority...which took 20 minutes. Oh, and if in the meantime we tried flashing yes/no/coffee/fast/slow icons, Zoom put our hand down and took us out of the waiting line to speak. At one point when I had a hand up for a point of order, a faceless admin pulled me out of the main hall and put me into the credentialing room, which also lost my place in the speaking queue.
When several people eventually got to speak after waiting forever to raise points of order the chair was very dismissive about the inability to exercise our rights to raise privileged motions. He clearly didn't care and wasn't going to see that any mechanism was implemented. Instead we were treated to the chair whining that: -privileged motions annoy him -privileged motions are "a giant pain in the ass" -he doesn't know a right way to get a privileged motion to bubble up -it's tricky, and I don't have an answer -and maybe if someone put up the coffee cup icon he could somehow send the parliamentarian to "deal with the individual."
It was callous disregard for delegate rights to call attention to potentially serious problems, and it was clear he doesn't WANT to allow us to do that.
I'm also going to say it out loud that by the end of it, the chair was drunk and slurring words.
Is this how this board is going to allow the selection of our Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees to proceed? With a chair hostile to delegate rights just gaveling through? We owe better to our members.
All of this is on top of the MANY, MANY complaints we are getting about delegates not having received the notices/links, not being able to enter the room, etc. All the other execution problems are also serious, but to me are secondary to the reality that the chair intends to bulldoze all of us.
The chair keeps saying that we will try to follow our existing rules as closely as possible. In this meeting, he declared that election voting will just be each delegation figuring out for themselves how to vote, and they can do it any way they want, and then these 51 sets of results get submitted. (By the way, the Secretary has been told that these votes will first go through staff and not even be submitted directly to her...there should NOT be a middle-man!!) In the meeting I pointed out that our Convention Rule 10 requires these delegation votes to be by written ballot, and the individual ballots submitted for tellers to double-check the tallies. I asked how this plan is compliant with our rules. I explained the reason this rule exists is that we have discovered MANY, MANY errors in delegation tallies, and we need double-checking to minimize the chances of announcing incorrect election results. The chair was dismissive, oh well, we'll do our best...
It is important that delegate votes be counted properly, and these are not issues that we can afford to take lightly.
I'm not unsympathetic to the couple of states with early deadlines, but we just need to use lawyers and fight for judicial relief in those states. Why is that not already being done anyway?
-Alicia
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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That comment was not to ms Mattson. She’s dealing with what matters. Rights and abuses of the chair. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:45 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Very serious concerns.
I am going to vote and work. That’s it.
I’m not going to respond to emotional yells. Everyone vote your conscience.
My priority is fundamental rights.
I am not going to deviate from that for appearances.
I am not going to deviate from that for anything.
I am ignoring the rest.
I am ignoring social media.
It is our job to ensure rights are not violated.
Timing of motions, who’s getting elected or re elected or who is upset are not my concern.
The votes will go as they may. And I will do my job.
But I will not violate member rights. Period.
We’ve let the chair get away with murder.
Some of us wrote a letter in October. It was largely ignored.
I’m not going to let member rights be violated. If you are not talking about rights save your breath with me.
I’ve let myself get distracted from that.
No more.
If you’re not dealing with rights leave me out of it.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:28 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Our platform demands that the constitution not be suspended in times of war, and the Platform Committee is proposing to add other conditions to that. The LNC is currently voting on a motion to say that emergencies are not a legitimate reason to violate rights. How can the LNC, then, facilitate what is clearly going to be a bulldozing of delegate rights with this online convention plan?
There were many delegates who were unable to attend tonight's online event, so I need to share some information that was given.
First recall that Zoom has a meeting mode, and it has a webinar mode. In meeting mode, participants can see who else is present, can see whose hands are raised, and NORMALLY have mic/video rights, as it is designed for a more deliberative process. In webinar mode, it's designed to be one-way information, presenter gives info and the rest are passive observers, and it is not designed for a deliberative process for group decisions. We can't tell who else is or is not present. We can't see whose hands are raised or whether the chair is recognizing people in the order in which hands were raised. We are locked in isolation cages and can only speak when someone else gives us permission.
Tonight it was explained that in meeting mode, Zoom has an absolute maximum capacity of 1000 participants. We have 1046 delegates, so the platform which has been chosen is not capable of hosting all of our delegates. This is a serious matter when we're talking about duly elected delegates being prevented from attending the meeting because they're one of the last 46 to arrive.
The chair indicated we would use meeting mode for the Friday night credentialing and agenda process, but then when it came time for elections, he would put us into webinar mode because it can handle up to 3000 participants.
Remember webinar mode from the first test run? Remember all my comments about how that violates the fundamental requirements for simultaneous aural communication among all participants, noted on page ONE of RONR? I thought we were past that possibility when the second test run was put into meeting mode, and we were allowed to control our own mics.
Webinar mode means you have no means of raising a point of order or other privileged motion in a timely manner. This is also a very serious fundamental rights issue. If our rules are violated, and we can't immediately act to alert the assembly to the problem and have it corrected, it's a huge problem. Some mistake made impacting a candidate's status? Election results are incorrect? Delegates who are for some reason unable to enter the meeting to exercise their rights to vote? Can't open your mic to say anything.
For tonight's trial we were actually in meeting mode, but the account admins had chosen to take away our microphone controls even in meeting mode!!
Under these conditions, delegate rights are subject to the whims of a chair who has, more and more lately, demonstrated that he doesn't give a flip about the rights of members to speak in meetings. I am not going to surrender my rights as a member to such a chair.
Tonight we practiced with debate over the silly subject of whether hot dogs are sandwiches. How did that go? The motions and debate were funny, however there were numerous procedural violations. The Chair refused to designate any particular means by which a delegate could raise a point of order. He sorta suggested maybe we could flash icons or something but then refused to pay attention to such signals.
There were various causes for points of order: debate not germane to the motion, the motions being misstated as completely different things than were moved, the polls being put up for voting also containing the wrong motion, too many amendments pending at a time, etc. These are all things that need someone to say something immediately, but we couldn't.
We were left trying all sorts of novel things to get attention: flash various icons repeatedly, physically wave our hands on our video, hold up notes to our cameras. Nothing worked. All we could do was raise our hands to get in line to speak with non-privileged priority...which took 20 minutes. Oh, and if in the meantime we tried flashing yes/no/coffee/fast/slow icons, Zoom put our hand down and took us out of the waiting line to speak. At one point when I had a hand up for a point of order, a faceless admin pulled me out of the main hall and put me into the credentialing room, which also lost my place in the speaking queue.
When several people eventually got to speak after waiting forever to raise points of order the chair was very dismissive about the inability to exercise our rights to raise privileged motions. He clearly didn't care and wasn't going to see that any mechanism was implemented. Instead we were treated to the chair whining that: -privileged motions annoy him -privileged motions are "a giant pain in the ass" -he doesn't know a right way to get a privileged motion to bubble up -it's tricky, and I don't have an answer -and maybe if someone put up the coffee cup icon he could somehow send the parliamentarian to "deal with the individual."
It was callous disregard for delegate rights to call attention to potentially serious problems, and it was clear he doesn't WANT to allow us to do that.
I'm also going to say it out loud that by the end of it, the chair was drunk and slurring words.
Is this how this board is going to allow the selection of our Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees to proceed? With a chair hostile to delegate rights just gaveling through? We owe better to our members.
All of this is on top of the MANY, MANY complaints we are getting about delegates not having received the notices/links, not being able to enter the room, etc. All the other execution problems are also serious, but to me are secondary to the reality that the chair intends to bulldoze all of us.
The chair keeps saying that we will try to follow our existing rules as closely as possible. In this meeting, he declared that election voting will just be each delegation figuring out for themselves how to vote, and they can do it any way they want, and then these 51 sets of results get submitted. (By the way, the Secretary has been told that these votes will first go through staff and not even be submitted directly to her...there should NOT be a middle-man!!) In the meeting I pointed out that our Convention Rule 10 requires these delegation votes to be by written ballot, and the individual ballots submitted for tellers to double-check the tallies. I asked how this plan is compliant with our rules. I explained the reason this rule exists is that we have discovered MANY, MANY errors in delegation tallies, and we need double-checking to minimize the chances of announcing incorrect election results. The chair was dismissive, oh well, we'll do our best...
It is important that delegate votes be counted properly, and these are not issues that we can afford to take lightly.
I'm not unsympathetic to the couple of states with early deadlines, but we just need to use lawyers and fight for judicial relief in those states. Why is that not already being done anyway?
-Alicia
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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CAH, I didn't take it as being directed at me. No problem. -Alicia <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 11:46 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
That comment was not to ms Mattson. She’s dealing with what matters.
Rights and abuses of the chair.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:45 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Very serious concerns.
I am going to vote and work. That’s it.
I’m not going to respond to emotional yells. Everyone vote your conscience.
My priority is fundamental rights.
I am not going to deviate from that for appearances.
I am not going to deviate from that for anything.
I am ignoring the rest.
I am ignoring social media.
It is our job to ensure rights are not violated.
Timing of motions, who’s getting elected or re elected or who is upset are not my concern.
The votes will go as they may. And I will do my job.
But I will not violate member rights. Period.
We’ve let the chair get away with murder.
Some of us wrote a letter in October. It was largely ignored.
I’m not going to let member rights be violated. If you are not talking about rights save your breath with me.
I’ve let myself get distracted from that.
No more.
If you’re not dealing with rights leave me out of it.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:28 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Our platform demands that the constitution not be suspended in times of war, and the Platform Committee is proposing to add other conditions to that. The LNC is currently voting on a motion to say that emergencies are not a legitimate reason to violate rights. How can the LNC, then, facilitate what is clearly going to be a bulldozing of delegate rights with this online convention plan?
There were many delegates who were unable to attend tonight's online event, so I need to share some information that was given.
First recall that Zoom has a meeting mode, and it has a webinar mode. In meeting mode, participants can see who else is present, can see whose hands are raised, and NORMALLY have mic/video rights, as it is designed for a more deliberative process. In webinar mode, it's designed to be one-way information, presenter gives info and the rest are passive observers, and it is not designed for a deliberative process for group decisions. We can't tell who else is or is not present. We can't see whose hands are raised or whether the chair is recognizing people in the order in which hands were raised. We are locked in isolation cages and can only speak when someone else gives us permission.
Tonight it was explained that in meeting mode, Zoom has an absolute maximum capacity of 1000 participants. We have 1046 delegates, so the platform which has been chosen is not capable of hosting all of our delegates. This is a serious matter when we're talking about duly elected delegates being prevented from attending the meeting because they're one of the last 46 to arrive.
The chair indicated we would use meeting mode for the Friday night credentialing and agenda process, but then when it came time for elections, he would put us into webinar mode because it can handle up to 3000 participants.
Remember webinar mode from the first test run? Remember all my comments about how that violates the fundamental requirements for simultaneous aural communication among all participants, noted on page ONE of RONR? I thought we were past that possibility when the second test run was put into meeting mode, and we were allowed to control our own mics.
Webinar mode means you have no means of raising a point of order or other privileged motion in a timely manner. This is also a very serious fundamental rights issue. If our rules are violated, and we can't immediately act to alert the assembly to the problem and have it corrected, it's a huge problem. Some mistake made impacting a candidate's status? Election results are incorrect? Delegates who are for some reason unable to enter the meeting to exercise their rights to vote? Can't open your mic to say anything.
For tonight's trial we were actually in meeting mode, but the account admins had chosen to take away our microphone controls even in meeting mode!!
Under these conditions, delegate rights are subject to the whims of a chair who has, more and more lately, demonstrated that he doesn't give a flip about the rights of members to speak in meetings. I am not going to surrender my rights as a member to such a chair.
Tonight we practiced with debate over the silly subject of whether hot dogs are sandwiches. How did that go? The motions and debate were funny, however there were numerous procedural violations. The Chair refused to designate any particular means by which a delegate could raise a point of order. He sorta suggested maybe we could flash icons or something but then refused to pay attention to such signals.
There were various causes for points of order: debate not germane to the motion, the motions being misstated as completely different things than were moved, the polls being put up for voting also containing the wrong motion, too many amendments pending at a time, etc. These are all things that need someone to say something immediately, but we couldn't.
We were left trying all sorts of novel things to get attention: flash various icons repeatedly, physically wave our hands on our video, hold up notes to our cameras. Nothing worked. All we could do was raise our hands to get in line to speak with non-privileged priority...which took 20 minutes. Oh, and if in the meantime we tried flashing yes/no/coffee/fast/slow icons, Zoom put our hand down and took us out of the waiting line to speak. At one point when I had a hand up for a point of order, a faceless admin pulled me out of the main hall and put me into the credentialing room, which also lost my place in the speaking queue.
When several people eventually got to speak after waiting forever to raise points of order the chair was very dismissive about the inability to exercise our rights to raise privileged motions. He clearly didn't care and wasn't going to see that any mechanism was implemented. Instead we were treated to the chair whining that: -privileged motions annoy him -privileged motions are "a giant pain in the ass" -he doesn't know a right way to get a privileged motion to bubble up -it's tricky, and I don't have an answer -and maybe if someone put up the coffee cup icon he could somehow send the parliamentarian to "deal with the individual."
It was callous disregard for delegate rights to call attention to potentially serious problems, and it was clear he doesn't WANT to allow us to do that.
I'm also going to say it out loud that by the end of it, the chair was drunk and slurring words.
Is this how this board is going to allow the selection of our Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees to proceed? With a chair hostile to delegate rights just gaveling through? We owe better to our members.
All of this is on top of the MANY, MANY complaints we are getting about delegates not having received the notices/links, not being able to enter the room, etc. All the other execution problems are also serious, but to me are secondary to the reality that the chair intends to bulldoze all of us.
The chair keeps saying that we will try to follow our existing rules as closely as possible. In this meeting, he declared that election voting will just be each delegation figuring out for themselves how to vote, and they can do it any way they want, and then these 51 sets of results get submitted. (By the way, the Secretary has been told that these votes will first go through staff and not even be submitted directly to her...there should NOT be a middle-man!!) In the meeting I pointed out that our Convention Rule 10 requires these delegation votes to be by written ballot, and the individual ballots submitted for tellers to double-check the tallies. I asked how this plan is compliant with our rules. I explained the reason this rule exists is that we have discovered MANY, MANY errors in delegation tallies, and we need double-checking to minimize the chances of announcing incorrect election results. The chair was dismissive, oh well, we'll do our best...
It is important that delegate votes be counted properly, and these are not issues that we can afford to take lightly.
I'm not unsympathetic to the couple of states with early deadlines, but we just need to use lawyers and fight for judicial relief in those states. Why is that not already being done anyway?
-Alicia
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On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know.
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I vote yes. -Alicia On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
Deactivated Facebook as I regularly do. Sweet sweet freedom. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:59 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes.
-Alicia
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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Nay As stated in an another thread “ With such limited time it’s logistically unclear whether an all online convention could be sufficiently executed and with ballot access considerations and uncertainty in Orlando it is unwise to leave the P/VP nominations to July. Let’s honor the compromise, the hostility among this body is becoming too much of a distraction to members who could otherwise be organizing, campaigning and doings things other than being frustrated and confused by the uncertainty those who want either extreme are creating. Let’s create certainty for our members by honoring the compromise.” Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
On May 14, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Deactivated Facebook as I regularly do.
Sweet sweet freedom.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:59 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes.
-Alicia
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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I disagree with your assessment and that’s okay. Last night’s test caused even more issues and the comments and hostilities over that made me disable Facebook. This online convention scheme is going to create a division far worse than Portland. Ten years from now it will still be going. There is only one thing I know we can do well. Simple ballotting. But whatever happens happens. But I can’t support this gross violation of members rights and trading rights for peace is an abdication. If this suicide route is what the LNC chooses, it has the right to do so. To claim it us for peace is a farce I won’t let go unchallenged. If it happens I will do my best to minimize rights violations that I can by making things smoother. But to sell member rights and call it peace is something you can tell yourself. I can’t. I can only hope states take the bull by the horns and plan to protect their own member rights the best they can. It is impossible to protect them fully in such context. And for everyone who cares about the member rights of the older members, try listening to what they are saying on this. To keep heading to a cliff is as foolish as thinking cutting Solomon's baby in two is a good compromise. I can't lie to myself like that. Or to use another biblical analogy, we are selling the birthright of members for a mess of pottage and thinking ourselves righteous. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:45 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Nay
As stated in an another thread
“ With such limited time it’s logistically unclear whether an all online convention could be sufficiently executed and with ballot access considerations and uncertainty in Orlando it is unwise to leave the P/VP nominations to July.
Let’s honor the compromise, the hostility among this body is becoming too much of a distraction to members who could otherwise be organizing, campaigning and doings things other than being frustrated and confused by the uncertainty those who want either extreme are creating.
Let’s create certainty for our members by honoring the compromise.”
Alex Merced Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
--
*In Liberty,*
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On May 14, 2020, at 3:31 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Deactivated Facebook as I regularly do.
Sweet sweet freedom.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:59 AM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes.
-Alicia
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:36 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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Yes --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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I vote yes. What we are heading to is not a deliberative assembly. It is not even pretending to adhere to our bylaws as best as possible. We made a huge mistake by not adopting the Adams motion. To not see it because time is short is foolhardy. And it endangers our candidates. But one bit of happy news. No one can fool themselves that we can do a full online convention. The folly of that is clear. If we care about a clean election for a candidates we’ll cut out the technology mess and go for simple ballots. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:48 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:
Yes
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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I vote NO ---------------------- Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it. Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground. I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.) --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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I'd like the chair to rule on whether this ballot is or is not in order. Justin brought a point of order forward and yet the ballot was started before a ruling was made. All things proper in their time and place. The ruling needs a decision first. Once that is addressed, I will vote Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Thu, May 14, 2020, 06:20 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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As a motion to rescind, it does not need to be sponsored by someone on the prevailing side. The motion is in order, though I would note that the balloting will be complete just after the Presidential debate next week is over, on the morning of the day that the convention is scheduled to convene online. Yours truly, Nick On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:30 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'd like the chair to rule on whether this ballot is or is not in order. Justin brought a point of order forward and yet the ballot was started before a ruling was made. All things proper in their time and place. The ruling needs a decision first.
Once that is addressed, I will vote
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 06:20 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
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I believe the chair is mistaken about when this email ballot ends. It completes at the end of day, Wednesday, May 20. The COC debate is scheduled for May 21, with the online event calling to order on May 22. -Alicia On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 11:47 AM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
As a motion to rescind, it does not need to be sponsored by someone on the prevailing side.
The motion is in order, though I would note that the balloting will be complete just after the Presidential debate next week is over, on the morning of the day that the convention is scheduled to convene online.
Yours truly, Nick
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 9:30 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I'd like the chair to rule on whether this ballot is or is not in order. Justin brought a point of order forward and yet the ballot was started before a ruling was made. All things proper in their time and place. The ruling needs a decision first.
Once that is addressed, I will vote
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
Sent from my Mobile Device
On Thu, May 14, 2020, 06:20 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
Electing our candidates online is what was agreed to. I remain committed to that. What I oppose is the goat rodeo process. We need simple eballoting. If this were to pass without a proposal for eballoting I would change my vote to no. In fact if it gets near the end of ballot with that, I will change my vote. My support for this is contingent on still electing our ticket online before the NH and GA deadlines. But the procedure we are using now with the chairs continued vain hope to force all online is going to endanger the legitimacy of the nomination. I support the compromise. I oppose the goat rodeo. Luckily for us, the state chairs are taking it out if our hands as we cannot be trusted to run it. But I will say it until Kingdom Cone. I support the compromise. Ms Adams motion was the right way. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I agree Mr Longstreth. I believe it us in order but I am not the chair. But if I get a properly sponsored motion I start a ballot which creates the live motion for a ruling. Now the chair must rule. Despite what happened last week, there can be no ruling without a live motion. But it is time now for a prompt ruling. Perhaps someone still on FB can shoot the chair a message alerting him to the Point of Order? He may not have seen it. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:34 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote:
Electing our candidates online is what was agreed to. I remain committed to that.
What I oppose is the goat rodeo process.
We need simple eballoting.
If this were to pass without a proposal for eballoting I would change my vote to no. In fact if it gets near the end of ballot with that, I will change my vote. My support for this is contingent on still electing our ticket online before the NH and GA deadlines.
But the procedure we are using now with the chairs continued vain hope to force all online is going to endanger the legitimacy of the nomination.
I support the compromise. I oppose the goat rodeo.
Luckily for us, the state chairs are taking it out if our hands as we cannot be trusted to run it.
But I will say it until Kingdom Cone. I support the compromise. Ms Adams motion was the right way.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
No. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree Mr Longstreth.
I believe it us in order but I am not the chair.
But if I get a properly sponsored motion I start a ballot which creates the live motion for a ruling.
Now the chair must rule.
Despite what happened last week, there can be no ruling without a live motion. But it is time now for a prompt ruling. Perhaps someone still on FB can shoot the chair a message alerting him to the Point of Order? He may not have seen it.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:34 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com
wrote:
Electing our candidates online is what was agreed to. I remain committed to that.
What I oppose is the goat rodeo process.
We need simple eballoting.
If this were to pass without a proposal for eballoting I would change my vote to no. In fact if it gets near the end of ballot with that, I will change my vote. My support for this is contingent on still electing our ticket online before the NH and GA deadlines.
But the procedure we are using now with the chairs continued vain hope to force all online is going to endanger the legitimacy of the nomination.
I support the compromise. I oppose the goat rodeo.
Luckily for us, the state chairs are taking it out if our hands as we cannot be trusted to run it.
But I will say it until Kingdom Cone. I support the compromise. Ms Adams motion was the right way.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
I vote No on rescinding the May 9 convention motion. Bill Redpath On 2020-05-14 13:28, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
No.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I agree Mr Longstreth.
I believe it us in order but I am not the chair.
But if I get a properly sponsored motion I start a ballot which creates the live motion for a ruling.
Now the chair must rule.
Despite what happened last week, there can be no ruling without a live motion. But it is time now for a prompt ruling. Perhaps someone still on FB can shoot the chair a message alerting him to the Point of Order? He may not have seen it.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:34 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com
wrote:
Electing our candidates online is what was agreed to. I remain committed to that.
What I oppose is the goat rodeo process.
We need simple eballoting.
If this were to pass without a proposal for eballoting I would change my vote to no. In fact if it gets near the end of ballot with that, I will change my vote. My support for this is contingent on still electing our ticket online before the NH and GA deadlines.
But the procedure we are using now with the chairs continued vain hope to force all online is going to endanger the legitimacy of the nomination.
I support the compromise. I oppose the goat rodeo.
Luckily for us, the state chairs are taking it out if our hands as we cannot be trusted to run it.
But I will say it until Kingdom Cone. I support the compromise. Ms Adams motion was the right way.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I vote NO
----------------------
Region 3 agreed to the compromise. That compromise is designed to protect ballot access in states that need it.
Many voices in Region 3 agreed to come to that middle ground.
I will not back an effort to scuttle the compromise made a mere four days. (This motion was made May 13th, four days after May 9th.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
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* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
I vote no. We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons), and I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences gathered from the previous test runs. --- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
The state chairs in general I have spoken to object to the entire process even if it worked properly. They are self-organizing to present the LNC a resolution that I will support pretty much no matter what it says. Since we do not have a viable alternative that will give a solution and this would bring us back to zero I withdraw my vote and change to abstain . I do not support the procedure we are using. I do however support the compromise. I can’t go back to zero without having a plan b. But I also cannot grant my approval to the process we are now doing which the state chairs also oppose. An abstain at this point represents my feelings. I do not believe the LNC is capable (nor at this point terribly concerned about) member rights. I don’t think what the state chairs will propose is perfect either. But I do know that the state chairs know what’s best for their delegations more than we do. A yes vote without an alternative destroys the compromise and I gave my word. A no vote supports the status quo and that is equally abhorrent as breaking my word. My abstain is my vote FOR the state chairs and telling us to back off and let them lead. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons), and I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences gathered from the previous test runs.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I thought there wasn't supposed to be debate on email ballots. I may be wrong, but as the Secretary is actually the one tabulating the ballot is it not improper to engage in debate as an active motion is out for vote? There have been calls on the chairs actions. The Secretary is a little over the line in my opinion. --- FRANCIS WENDT LNC Region 1 Alternate 406.595.5111 On 2020-05-14 12:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The state chairs in general I have spoken to object to the entire process even if it worked properly.
They are self-organizing to present the LNC a resolution that I will support pretty much no matter what it says.
Since we do not have a viable alternative that will give a solution and this would bring us back to zero I withdraw my vote and change to abstain .
I do not support the procedure we are using. I do however support the compromise.
I can’t go back to zero without having a plan b. But I also cannot grant my approval to the process we are now doing which the state chairs also oppose.
An abstain at this point represents my feelings.
I do not believe the LNC is capable (nor at this point terribly concerned about) member rights. I don’t think what the state chairs will propose is perfect either.
But I do know that the state chairs know what’s best for their delegations more than we do.
A yes vote without an alternative destroys the compromise and I gave my word.
A no vote supports the status quo and that is equally abhorrent as breaking my word.
My abstain is my vote FOR the state chairs and telling us to back off and let them lead.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons), and I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences gathered from the previous test runs.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
You are incorrect. We are allowed to debate on email ballots and anyone may debate. If you go back through the history of email ballots (look at voting tally spreadsheet for links) you will see. If you would like the Policy Manual provision that addresses this and a link to the video of a very recent LNC meeting where this was discussed I can provide that to you. Let me know. On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:05 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt@lp.org> wrote:
I thought there wasn't supposed to be debate on email ballots. I may be wrong, but as the Secretary is actually the one tabulating the ballot is it not improper to engage in debate as an active motion is out for vote? There have been calls on the chairs actions. The Secretary is a little over the line in my opinion.
--- FRANCIS WENDT LNC Region 1 Alternate 406.595.5111
On 2020-05-14 12:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The state chairs in general I have spoken to object to the entire process even if it worked properly.
They are self-organizing to present the LNC a resolution that I will support pretty much no matter what it says.
Since we do not have a viable alternative that will give a solution and this would bring us back to zero I withdraw my vote and change to abstain .
I do not support the procedure we are using. I do however support the compromise.
I can’t go back to zero without having a plan b. But I also cannot grant my approval to the process we are now doing which the state chairs also oppose.
An abstain at this point represents my feelings.
I do not believe the LNC is capable (nor at this point terribly concerned about) member rights. I don’t think what the state chairs will propose is perfect either.
But I do know that the state chairs know what’s best for their delegations more than we do.
A yes vote without an alternative destroys the compromise and I gave my word.
A no vote supports the status quo and that is equally abhorrent as breaking my word.
My abstain is my vote FOR the state chairs and telling us to back off and let them lead.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons), and I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences gathered from the previous test runs.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I thought that perhaps members might want this information. Here is the Policy Manual provision: *1) ElectronicMailBallots* Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the Secretary by electronic mail within three (3) days of the question being submitted by the Chair or cosponsored by a sufficient number of LNC members. This notification shall not include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the motion. An LNC Member may change their vote on an electronic mail ballot, provided that the change is received by the Secretary by the deadline for return of ballots. ***** Note, only the first email (the ballot) cannot contain debate. The LNC considered extending this to the whole ballot chain and rejected it. See page 45 of these minutes for the change: https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/2018_09_29-30_LNC_Minutes-appr... You can watch the meeting and hear the arguments for yourself here: https://lpedia.org/wiki/LNC_Meeting_29-30_September_2018 I trust this answers your questions. This decision was made on my watch, and I am pretty meticulous about my record keeping. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
You are incorrect. We are allowed to debate on email ballots and anyone may debate. If you go back through the history of email ballots (look at voting tally spreadsheet for links) you will see.
If you would like the Policy Manual provision that addresses this and a link to the video of a very recent LNC meeting where this was discussed I can provide that to you. Let me know.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 1:05 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt@lp.org> wrote:
I thought there wasn't supposed to be debate on email ballots. I may be wrong, but as the Secretary is actually the one tabulating the ballot is it not improper to engage in debate as an active motion is out for vote? There have been calls on the chairs actions. The Secretary is a little over the line in my opinion.
--- FRANCIS WENDT LNC Region 1 Alternate 406.595.5111
On 2020-05-14 12:59, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
The state chairs in general I have spoken to object to the entire process even if it worked properly.
They are self-organizing to present the LNC a resolution that I will support pretty much no matter what it says.
Since we do not have a viable alternative that will give a solution and this would bring us back to zero I withdraw my vote and change to abstain .
I do not support the procedure we are using. I do however support the compromise.
I can’t go back to zero without having a plan b. But I also cannot grant my approval to the process we are now doing which the state chairs also oppose.
An abstain at this point represents my feelings.
I do not believe the LNC is capable (nor at this point terribly concerned about) member rights. I don’t think what the state chairs will propose is perfect either.
But I do know that the state chairs know what’s best for their delegations more than we do.
A yes vote without an alternative destroys the compromise and I gave my word.
A no vote supports the status quo and that is equally abhorrent as breaking my word.
My abstain is my vote FOR the state chairs and telling us to back off and let them lead.
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 12:47 PM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
We have to remember that these test runs are just that, tests. We're finding out what works for us and what doesn't (the Yes/No buttons), and I expect the next test will be more fine-tuned using the experiences gathered from the previous test runs.
--- Tim Hagan Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
On 2020-05-13 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
* In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I got a message from an LPIN member who reports this regarding the ballot vote tally: "tiny url link she posted to keep watch on the vote tallies for the rescinding motion doesn’t work?" I checked, and they're correct. That link isn't working. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
I received the same email and it is working now. https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1 * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:30 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I got a message from an LPIN member who reports this regarding the ballot vote tally: "tiny url link she posted to keep watch on the vote tallies for the rescinding motion doesn’t work?"
I checked, and they're correct. That link isn't working.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
The link still doesn't work for me. See attached image. That's what I saw before, and now. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-14 19:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I received the same email and it is working now.
IN LIBERTY, https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:30 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I got a message from an LPIN member who reports this regarding the ballot vote tally: "tiny url link she posted to keep watch on the vote tallies for the rescinding motion doesn't work?"
I checked, and they're correct. That link isn't working.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
I just clicked it.... it works. https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1 * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. * On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
The link still doesn't work for me. See attached image. That's what I saw before, and now. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 19:34, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
I received the same email and it is working now.
* In Liberty,* https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1
On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:30 PM Elizabeth Van Horn < elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I got a message from an LPIN member who reports this regarding the ballot vote tally: "tiny url link she posted to keep watch on the vote tallies for the rescinding motion doesn't work?"
I checked, and they're correct. That link isn't working.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-14 00:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith
=============================================
Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC
meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1,
the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July
8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
=============================================
THRESHOLD REQUIRED:
You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet.
Please notify me of any discrepancies.
Seeing as it is too late in the game to change course, I believe we need to commit with what’s in front of us. Any mistakes we commit are easily corrected with more audacity, and that’s what I pledge to the course of action we have before us. While I admit there could have been better ways, In my capacity, I vote No. Sincerely, Steven Nekhaila On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 12:48 PM -0400, "joe.bishop-henchman--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: I vote no. On May 14, 2020 12:36 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 20 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Bilyeu, Harlos, Hewitt, Mattson, Smith ============================================= Motion: Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1, the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida. ============================================= THRESHOLD REQUIRED: You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://tinyurl.com/ballot200513-1. Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet. Please notify me of any discrepancies. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *
participants (16)
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Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) -
Alicia Mattson -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Caryn Ann Harlos -
Elizabeth Van Horn -
Francis Wendt -
joe.bishop-henchman＠lp.org -
john.phillips＠lp.org -
joshua.smith＠lp.org -
justin.odonnell＠lp.org -
Nicholas Sarwark -
Richard Longstreth -
Sam Goldstein -
Steven Nekhaila -
Tim Hagan -
William Redpath