Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot. *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers *Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
Aye. Guy McLendon Cell 832-372-8131 Res 337-626-1012 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:40 PM To: lnc-business Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
I vote Yes. Vicki Kirkland Region 2 Rep 407 841-LP12 (5712) On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 9:47 PM, Guy McLendon <guy@mclendon.net> wrote:
Aye.
Guy McLendon
Cell 832-372-8131
Res 337-626-1012
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 1:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
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What does “the fixed membership of the LNC” mean? Are you guys smoking something I don’t know about? Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region 1 Libertarian National Committee 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, CO 80122-2710 303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM To: lnc-business Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
I do not like using "fixed membership of the LNC" either, and it should be clearly defined without having to refer or go looking for that definition. I would also be interested in hearing what the chair has to say about this amendment. Does he have any objections to it, and if so, why? Roland ND From: Norm Olsen <region1rep@doneDad.com> To: lnc-business@hq.lp.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review #yiv2975174807 #yiv2975174807 -- _filtered #yiv2975174807 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2975174807 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2975174807 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2975174807 {font-family:TT39Bo00;panose-1:0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}#yiv2975174807 #yiv2975174807 p.yiv2975174807MsoNormal, #yiv2975174807 li.yiv2975174807MsoNormal, #yiv2975174807 div.yiv2975174807MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2975174807 a:link, #yiv2975174807 span.yiv2975174807MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2975174807 a:visited, #yiv2975174807 span.yiv2975174807MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2975174807 span.yiv2975174807EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2975174807 .yiv2975174807MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv2975174807 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2975174807 div.yiv2975174807WordSection1 {}#yiv2975174807 What does “the fixed membership of the LNC” mean? Are you guys smoking something I don’t know about? Norm --Norman T OlsenRegional Representative, Region 1Libertarian National Committee7931 South Broadway, PMB 102Littleton, CO 80122-2710303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM To: lnc-business Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDFAlicia MattsonLNC Secretary _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
I vote Yes. Sam Goldstein On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:
What does “the fixed membership of the LNC” mean?
Are you guys smoking something I don’t know about?
Norm --
Norman T Olsen
Regional Representative, Region 1
Libertarian National Committee
7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
Littleton, CO 80122-2710
303-263-4995
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
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A majority of the fixed membership, on a body that has a fixed membership (such as a permanent board) is a majority of the total number of positions in that body. When there are no vacancies, this is the same as a majority of the entire membership; if there are vacancies, then a majority of the fixed membership is a higher vote threshold. (See p. 403, footnote.) In our case, this might vary term to term due to regional alignments, but if, for instance, we have 8 regions, then the LNC is 17 positions (9 officers and at-large positions). Ordinarily, a majority of the entire membership is 9, as is a majority of the fixed membership. If, though, 2 at-large positions were to be vacant, then a majority of the entire membership would be 8 (more than half of 15) but a majority of the fixed membership would remain 9. Thus, majority of the fixed membership is a stable number of votes over the course of a term. While I sympathize with the idea, wherever possible, of being able to read the Policy Manual in isolation, I think reference to higher-order rules, and in particular the rules of order in our parliamentary authority, is unavoidable. Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat) On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:
What does “the fixed membership of the LNC” mean?
Are you guys smoking something I don’t know about?
Norm --
Norman T Olsen
Regional Representative, Region 1
Libertarian National Committee
7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
Littleton, CO 80122-2710
303-263-4995
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
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Joshua gets a point for the RONR citation of the definition of "fixed membership". That term does appear in the RONR index, so it's easy to locate the definition when it's needed. -Alicia On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty@gmail.com> wrote:
A majority of the fixed membership, on a body that has a fixed membership (such as a permanent board) is a majority of the total number of positions in that body. When there are no vacancies, this is the same as a majority of the entire membership; if there are vacancies, then a majority of the fixed membership is a higher vote threshold. (See p. 403, footnote.)
In our case, this might vary term to term due to regional alignments, but if, for instance, we have 8 regions, then the LNC is 17 positions (9 officers and at-large positions). Ordinarily, a majority of the entire membership is 9, as is a majority of the fixed membership. If, though, 2 at-large positions were to be vacant, then a majority of the entire membership would be 8 (more than half of 15) but a majority of the fixed membership would remain 9. Thus, majority of the fixed membership is a stable number of votes over the course of a term.
While I sympathize with the idea, wherever possible, of being able to read the Policy Manual in isolation, I think reference to higher-order rules, and in particular the rules of order in our parliamentary authority, is unavoidable.
Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:
What does “the fixed membership of the LNC” mean?
Are you guys smoking something I don’t know about?
Norm --
Norman T Olsen
Regional Representative, Region 1
Libertarian National Committee
7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
Littleton, CO 80122-2710
303-263-4995
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
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I vote yes. Tim Hagan From: Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> To: lnc-business <lnc-business@lp.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:40 AM Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
Colleagues: Please allow me to write briefly in favor of this motion. While many of the arguments, on both sides, have been presented in person at the last meeting, I wish to emphasize the institutional point of view. The EPCC is empowered to set employment policies; the LNC is empowered to reject those policies, but the chair is not empowered to do so unilaterally. Yet, our contract process makes it possible for the chair to do so anyway. Consider that, in an earlier EPCC report, we recommended that contracts be aligned with the Employee Manual; for instance, that vacation be given as in the Manual rather than being set up differently for different employees. A reasonable inference from that recommendation is that, in fact, this has not always been done. Consequently, you can conclude that, while the EPCC sets out a vacation policy, the chair can simply write a contract specifying a different policy for an individual employee - a modification to EPCC policy that should require LNC approval. The EPCC can protest, but to no avail; the LNC, meanwhile, need not even know about the matter until, well, sometime after review by counsel. It makes sense, then, to institute EPCC approval for contracts - any exception or deviation from the policies set by the EPCC should require approval by the EPCC. I am speaking here both historically and forward-looking; it is not targeted at any particular or current occupant of the chair. This motion targets both of those issues - it requires EPCC approval, and it allows the LNC to see the contract prior to execution. Some will, though, raise concerns about an abundance of chefs and their impact on a broth. This is a reasonable concern; after all, that's why Congress gives the President and his administration "fast-track" authorization to negotiate trade deals and treaties, with the Congress then approving (or not) the deal after it is negotiated - no one wants to try to conduct a negotiation with 535 people sitting at the table on one side. Note, though, that Congress still has to approve the deal. The current motion is less akin to the addition of chefs, and more akin to the addition of tasters. No one has ever suggested that too many tasters ruin the broth. This does not call for the EPCC to participate in contract negotiation; it simply calls for the EPCC to vote up or down on the contract the chair freely negotiates with the prospective employee. It doesn't call for the LNC to participate in contract negotiation; it allows the LNC to see the contract before it is executed. This is not seating an additional 3 people at the table, let alone 17. The broth will be just fine, and will still have only 2 or 3 cooks involved in its preparation. I have argued for this change since joining the LNC. I think it is well-supported by EPCC reports at prior meetings and by information presented at those meetings. The change makes sense institutionally; the evidence is there, and arguments against this change have been addressed at several meetings. I urge you to support this amendment. Joshua Katz Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat) On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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I vote Yes, while emphasizing that my vote should not be taken as a reflection on either our present Chair or our present Director-level staff members. But we've had serious problems in the past, where the LNC has only found out about the contents of negotiated contracts at virtually the last minute, with no practical opportunity to review them or point out potential problems. Since these contracts have huge ramifications, both financial and organizational, it is incumbent on the LNC to properly vet them. Daniel Wiener On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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-- *"In general, we look for a new law by the following process. First, we guess it (audience laughter), no, don’t laugh, that’s the truth. Then we compute the consequences of the guess, to see what, if this is right, if this law we guess is right, to see what it would imply and then we compare the computation results to nature or we say compare to experiment or experience, compare it directly with observations to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s WRONG. In that simple statement is the key to science. It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.”* -- Richard Feynman (https://tinyurl.com/lozjjps)
This proposal will make the process of negotiating director-level contracts longer and more difficult. There is a static waiting period of at least ten days from the agreement between the Chair and the prospective employee and the ratification of that agreement by the EPCC or at least 9 LNC members. Members of the EPCC and the LNC who do not negotiate contracts or conduct interviews are provided substantially more power to block a contract negotiated by the Chair and a prospective employee. Blocking a contract based on provisions that are disapproved of is an easy way to stop a hire without having the votes to actually say no to the person. A key to any negotiation is to negotiate with the decision maker. The decision maker on the employee side of a contract negotiation is always the employee. This proposal makes the decision maker on the employer side the Chair, the EPCC, and any plurality of LNC members that would prevent a 9-person vote, along with a 10-day waiting period. There are some candidates for employment who may not be willing to negotiate on those terms. If this is adopted, we won't know who they are, because they won't submit themselves as candidates. We already pay our top staff less than other organizations in the libertarian movement as well as subject them to more criticism and attacks than other organizations in the libertarian movement. Adding a hiring process by multiple committees into that mix will not be helpful to attracting and retaining the best people. If you would like to make it easier for the LNC to block particular director-level hires or particular contracts, and you think that that change would make the Libertarian Party more effective, you should vote for this proposal. I vote no. -Nick On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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I thank everyone for their information, and there are good points on both sides. I have no ax to grind either way; I hate lots of regulations, second guessing administrators, and nitpicking; but generally feel the purposed change is acceptable and would place little or no real burden on the operation of the party, and therefore vote a very soft yes. A soft yes meaning if it ever does become an unreasonable burden to the operation of the party, I would no longer support it. But our strength is not in any one person, or EPCC or LNC, or rule book, but in each person making rational and reasonable decisions that advance the interests of our party. Roland Riemers ND From: Nicholas Sarwark <chair@lp.org> To: "lnc-business@hq.lp.org" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 12:46 AM Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review This proposal will make the process of negotiating director-level contracts longer and more difficult. There is a static waiting period of at least ten days from the agreement between the Chair and the prospective employee and the ratification of that agreement by the EPCC or at least 9 LNC members. Members of the EPCC and the LNC who do not negotiate contracts or conduct interviews are provided substantially more power to block a contract negotiated by the Chair and a prospective employee. Blocking a contract based on provisions that are disapproved of is an easy way to stop a hire without having the votes to actually say no to the person. A key to any negotiation is to negotiate with the decision maker. The decision maker on the employee side of a contract negotiation is always the employee. This proposal makes the decision maker on the employer side the Chair, the EPCC, and any plurality of LNC members that would prevent a 9-person vote, along with a 10-day waiting period. There are some candidates for employment who may not be willing to negotiate on those terms. If this is adopted, we won't know who they are, because they won't submit themselves as candidates. We already pay our top staff less than other organizations in the libertarian movement as well as subject them to more criticism and attacks than other organizations in the libertarian movement. Adding a hiring process by multiple committees into that mix will not be helpful to attracting and retaining the best people. If you would like to make it easier for the LNC to block particular director-level hires or particular contracts, and you think that that change would make the Libertarian Party more effective, you should vote for this proposal. I vote no. -Nick On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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There are certain decisions that should be made by the Chair, and the Chair should be kept accountable and held responsible for those decisions. The EPCC should appropraiately offer wise counsel to assist the Chair. The Chair should appropriately seek wise counsel from the EPCC, and from other members of the LNC. If the individuals involved have difficulty in communication and negotiation on a voluntary basis, this is not a problem that a change in a policy manual will correct, or even improve. I vote no. On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair@lp.org> wrote:
This proposal will make the process of negotiating director-level contracts longer and more difficult.
There is a static waiting period of at least ten days from the agreement between the Chair and the prospective employee and the ratification of that agreement by the EPCC or at least 9 LNC members. Members of the EPCC and the LNC who do not negotiate contracts or conduct interviews are provided substantially more power to block a contract negotiated by the Chair and a prospective employee. Blocking a contract based on provisions that are disapproved of is an easy way to stop a hire without having the votes to actually say no to the person.
A key to any negotiation is to negotiate with the decision maker. The decision maker on the employee side of a contract negotiation is always the employee. This proposal makes the decision maker on the employer side the Chair, the EPCC, and any plurality of LNC members that would prevent a 9-person vote, along with a 10-day waiting period. There are some candidates for employment who may not be willing to negotiate on those terms. If this is adopted, we won't know who they are, because they won't submit themselves as candidates.
We already pay our top staff less than other organizations in the libertarian movement as well as subject them to more criticism and attacks than other organizations in the libertarian movement. Adding a hiring process by multiple committees into that mix will not be helpful to attracting and retaining the best people.
If you would like to make it easier for the LNC to block particular director-level hires or particular contracts, and you think that that change would make the Libertarian Party more effective, you should vote for this proposal.
I vote no.
-Nick
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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Year-to-date, compensation makes up more than 40% of our expenses for 2015. The content of director-level contracts has a very large impact on a very large expense category. The LNC as a whole is tasked with asset management, and I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask the LNC to be more engaged on these contract terms. -Alicia On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Marc Allan Feldman <marc@openivo.com> wrote:
There are certain decisions that should be made by the Chair, and the Chair should be kept accountable and held responsible for those decisions. The EPCC should appropraiately offer wise counsel to assist the Chair. The Chair should appropriately seek wise counsel from the EPCC, and from other members of the LNC. If the individuals involved have difficulty in communication and negotiation on a voluntary basis, this is not a problem that a change in a policy manual will correct, or even improve.
I vote no.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 1:46 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <chair@lp.org> wrote:
This proposal will make the process of negotiating director-level contracts longer and more difficult.
There is a static waiting period of at least ten days from the agreement between the Chair and the prospective employee and the ratification of that agreement by the EPCC or at least 9 LNC members. Members of the EPCC and the LNC who do not negotiate contracts or conduct interviews are provided substantially more power to block a contract negotiated by the Chair and a prospective employee. Blocking a contract based on provisions that are disapproved of is an easy way to stop a hire without having the votes to actually say no to the person.
A key to any negotiation is to negotiate with the decision maker. The decision maker on the employee side of a contract negotiation is always the employee. This proposal makes the decision maker on the employer side the Chair, the EPCC, and any plurality of LNC members that would prevent a 9-person vote, along with a 10-day waiting period. There are some candidates for employment who may not be willing to negotiate on those terms. If this is adopted, we won't know who they are, because they won't submit themselves as candidates.
We already pay our top staff less than other organizations in the libertarian movement as well as subject them to more criticism and attacks than other organizations in the libertarian movement. Adding a hiring process by multiple committees into that mix will not be helpful to attracting and retaining the best people.
If you would like to make it easier for the LNC to block particular director-level hires or particular contracts, and you think that that change would make the Libertarian Party more effective, you should vote for this proposal.
I vote no.
-Nick
On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.
Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
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-- Marc Allan Feldman CEO OpenIVO, Inc. Beachwood, OH marc@openivo.com http://about.me/marcallanfeldman 216-312-4169 (direct)
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We have board members who weren't here at the start of the term, so they haven't had a chance to hear this request before. You can help me with my secretary duties if you will segregate your votes from your debate comments. Send however many messages are necessary for your debate, but it really makes it stand out if you will send a separate email message which contains only your vote. I do try to read all of the debate comments completely, but if something interrupts me mid-read, I don't want to overlook a vote that was embedded in the commentary. Thanks for your help! -Alicia On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
I vote yes. -Alicia On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
Nay! Norm -- Norman T Olsen Regional Representative, Region 1 Libertarian National Committee 7931 South Broadway, PMB 102 Littleton, CO 80122-2710 303-263-4995 From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of Alicia Mattson Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM To: lnc-business Subject: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Sponsor: Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers Motion: amend the Policy Manual by inserting and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
I vote yes. Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat) On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:
Nay!
Norm
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Norman T Olsen
Regional Representative, Region 1
Libertarian National Committee
7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
Littleton, CO 80122-2710
303-263-4995
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
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I vote yes. Region 7 On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Joshua Katz <planning4liberty@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote yes.
Joshua A. Katz Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Norm Olsen <region1rep@donedad.com> wrote:
Nay!
Norm
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Norman T Olsen
Regional Representative, Region 1
Libertarian National Committee
7931 South Broadway, PMB 102
Littleton, CO 80122-2710
303-263-4995
*From:* Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Mattson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* lnc-business *Subject:* [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2015-10: EPCC and Contract Review
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson
LNC Secretary
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
_______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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Dear colleagues: I hope all is well with you. I am writing in my capacity as Region 5 representative to vote "aye" on the motion. As always, thanks for your work for liberty. I look forward to seeing you in roughly two weeks. Take care, Jim James W. Lark, III Advisor, The Liberty Coalition University of Virginia Region 5 Representative, Libertarian National Committee ----- On 10/21/2015 2:40 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*_Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. _* _Sponsor:_ Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
_Motion:_ amend the Policy Manual by _inserting_ and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
Voting has ended for the email ballot shown below. *Voting "aye":* Goldstein, Hagan, Katz, Kirkland, Lark, Ludlow, Mattson, McLendon, Riemers, Wiener *Voting "nay":* Craig, Feldman, Olsen, Sarwark With a final vote tally of 10-4, the motion PASSES. Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
We have an electronic mail ballot.
*Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2015 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.* *Sponsor:* Mattson, Kirkland, Goldstein, Riemers
*Motion:* amend the Policy Manual by *inserting* and striking out text as specified in the attached PDF
Alicia Mattson LNC Secretary
participants (13)
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Alicia Mattson -
Daniel Wiener -
Guy McLendon -
James Lark -
Joshua Katz -
Kevin Ludlow -
Marc Allan Feldman -
Nicholas Sarwark -
Norm Olsen -
Roland Riemers -
Sam Goldstein -
Tim Hagan -
Vicki Kirkland