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Hi all, This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well. I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years. This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities. Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191 And we should stick to the top 10. Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years. I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting. -- Arvin Vohra www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
I believe this improperly advantages those states which will have more opportunity to fill delegations with their own residents. I hold to the conventional wisdom that presidential conventions can be anywhere (any actually can, but I could be persuaded that sugar must be added on off years). We have to consider our relationship with our affiliates. Many states would never have an opportunity, and if we stuck to the top ten, only Hawaii in my region would be on that list, and I doubt that would be chosen often due to expense. Speaking to my home state, Denver is a fantastic location and within distance of many activities, and I am sure other states in my region can boast of similar delights. Our main purpose is conducting the business of the party and to serve the affiliates in so doing. In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Region 1 Representative (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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-- In Liberty, Caryn Ann
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando. Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there. What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando. Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances. -Alicia On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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I concur with Alicia. Most of those cities listed by Arvin are very expensive both to visit and are out of driving distance for many of our delegates. My Facebook post about the LPIN's plan to submit a bid for the 2020 Convention generated dozens of comments that could very well stimulate other state parties to participate in the process. Having a dedicated local convention committee could take much of the burden off LNC members and staff in the early stages of planning and even more so as we move closer to the convention. If Mr. Vorha proposes his motion in a email ballot prior to the July meeting I will vote against it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend that meeting but I would strongly encourage those present to do so at that time. Thanks and Live Free, Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Phone 317-582-1773 Fax On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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IMO there are cheaper ways to do the convention without harming the overall experience. I'd like to point out that Tier 2 cities are likely to give us everything for free in exchange for the room nights. Once upon a time, before I knew better, I looked at Lexington KY as a site. Free shuttle to/from airport. Free shuttle to/from overflow hotel (in addition to the 2 hotels attached to Rupp Arena at a rate of $89 or $99 per night, I forget which now). Free use of Rupp Arena. Plenty of venues within walking/stumbling distance. Of course, this was shot down because most people would have a 1-stop flight and because I had done investigation outside of the committee (I didn't know better at the time). Anyway, it's something to consider. You might boost attendance by making the experience cheaper. --- Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LPKY Judicial Committee LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative On 2016-06-02 08:12, Sam Goldstein wrote:
I concur with Alicia. Most of those cities listed by Arvin are very expensive both to visit and are out of driving distance for many of our delegates.
My Facebook post about the LPIN's plan to submit a bid for the 2020 Convention generated dozens of comments that could very well stimulate other state parties to participate in the process. Having a dedicated local convention committee could take much of the burden off LNC members and staff in the early stages of planning and even more so as we move closer to the convention.
If Mr. Vorha proposes his motion in a email ballot prior to the July meeting I will vote against it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend that meeting but I would strongly encourage those present to do so at that time.
Thanks and
Live Free,
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Phone 317-582-1773 Fax
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191 [1]
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
--
Arvin Vohra
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Yea, but a convention at UK? Really? Sam Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Phone 317-582-1773 Fax On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
IMO there are cheaper ways to do the convention without harming the overall experience.
I'd like to point out that Tier 2 cities are likely to give us everything for free in exchange for the room nights. Once upon a time, before I knew better, I looked at Lexington KY as a site. Free shuttle to/from airport. Free shuttle to/from overflow hotel (in addition to the 2 hotels attached to Rupp Arena at a rate of $89 or $99 per night, I forget which now). Free use of Rupp Arena. Plenty of venues within walking/stumbling distance.
Of course, this was shot down because most people would have a 1-stop flight and because I had done investigation outside of the committee (I didn't know better at the time).
Anyway, it's something to consider. You might boost attendance by making the experience cheaper. ---
Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LPKY Judicial Committee LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
On 2016-06-02 08:12, Sam Goldstein wrote:
I concur with Alicia. Most of those cities listed by Arvin are very expensive both to visit and are out of driving distance for many of our delegates.
My Facebook post about the LPIN's plan to submit a bid for the 2020 Convention generated dozens of comments that could very well stimulate other state parties to participate in the process. Having a dedicated local convention committee could take much of the burden off LNC members and staff in the early stages of planning and even more so as we move closer to the convention.
If Mr. Vorha proposes his motion in a email ballot prior to the July meeting I will vote against it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend that meeting but I would strongly encourage those present to do so at that time.
Thanks and
Live Free,
Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Phone 317-582-1773 Fax
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
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Rupp is its own facility. UK does use it for basketball, but there are conventions and concerts there all the time. It doesn't have to be Rupp. The point is to look at Tier 2 markets. They are more likely to give away the farm to be relevant. --- Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee On 2016-06-02 11:33, Sam Goldstein wrote:
Yea, but a convention at UK? Really?
Sam
Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 Phone 317-582-1773 Fax
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
IMO there are cheaper ways to do the convention without harming the overall experience.
I'd like to point out that Tier 2 cities are likely to give us everything for free in exchange for the room nights. Once upon a time, before I knew better, I looked at Lexington KY as a site. Free shuttle to/from airport. Free shuttle to/from overflow hotel (in addition to the 2 hotels attached to Rupp Arena at a rate of $89 or $99 per night, I forget which now). Free use of Rupp Arena. Plenty of venues within walking/stumbling distance.
Of course, this was shot down because most people would have a 1-stop flight and because I had done investigation outside of the committee (I didn't know better at the time).
Anyway, it's something to consider. You might boost attendance by making the experience cheaper. --- Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LPKY Judicial Committee LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative
On 2016-06-02 08:12, Sam Goldstein wrote: I concur with Alicia. Most of those cities listed by Arvin are very expensive both to visit and are out of driving distance for many of our delegates.
My Facebook post about the LPIN's plan to submit a bid for the 2020 Convention generated dozens of comments that could very well stimulate other state parties to participate in the process. Having a dedicated local convention committee could take much of the burden off LNC members and staff in the early stages of planning and even more so as we move closer to the convention.
If Mr. Vorha proposes his motion in a email ballot prior to the July meeting I will vote against it. Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend that meeting but I would strongly encourage those present to do so at that time.
Thanks and
Live Free,
Sam Goldstein
Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 [1] Phone 317-582-1773 [2] Fax
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191 [3]
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
--
Arvin Vohra
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Please note that Las Vegas was done off the strip, which was insane. -Arvin On Jun 2, 2016 1:28 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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Arvin, What's insane is what heart-of-the-strip Vegas hotels charge for use of their convention space. Just because you can go on Kayak and buy a single leftover-inventory room in Vegas for $59 does not mean you can waltz into a prime location and lock down 400 rooms plus use of their convention space at that rate. Especially over a weekend, which is peak rates for Vegas... I got 2012 bids from some strip hotels (no reference to James Weeks, II intended). Our delegates would have to pay $50-$70 more per night for guest rooms to get use of the convention space, and the hotels demanded minimum F&B (food and beverage) that was 2-5 times higher than our typical spending. The only affordable bids we got were off-strip. We would face the same situation in many destination cities. We might be able to swing something on the outskirts, but our delegates are generally unwilling to pay for premium locations. -Alicia On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Please note that Las Vegas was done off the strip, which was insane. -Arvin On Jun 2, 2016 1:28 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
-- Arvin Vohra
www.VoteVohra.com VoteVohra@gmail.com (301) 320-3634
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IMO this is all about ROI. So who gets the most people to show up? While I think the venue helped, Johnson's campaign did a very good job of coercing people into attending as delegates or alternates to support him. At least, that's what happened in KY anyway. Also you could look at off-season pricing as well. Speaking of off-season, I'll note once that I think we ought to hold the convention for 2020 in either late 2019 or early 2020. Give our candidates more time to spin up and whatnot. Just want to plug that in as well. --- Ken C. Moellman, Jr. LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative LPKY Judicial Committee On 2016-06-02 14:11, Alicia Mattson wrote:
Arvin,
What's insane is what heart-of-the-strip Vegas hotels charge for use of their convention space.
Just because you can go on Kayak and buy a single leftover-inventory room in Vegas for $59 does not mean you can waltz into a prime location and lock down 400 rooms plus use of their convention space at that rate. Especially over a weekend, which is peak rates for Vegas...
I got 2012 bids from some strip hotels (no reference to James Weeks, II intended). Our delegates would have to pay $50-$70 more per night for guest rooms to get use of the convention space, and the hotels demanded minimum F&B (food and beverage) that was 2-5 times higher than our typical spending. The only affordable bids we got were off-strip.
We would face the same situation in many destination cities. We might be able to swing something on the outskirts, but our delegates are generally unwilling to pay for premium locations.
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Please note that Las Vegas was done off the strip, which was insane. -Arvin
On Jun 2, 2016 1:28 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances. -Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191 [1]
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
--
Arvin Vohra
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I'll note once that I think we ought to hold the convention for 2020 in either late 2019 or early 2020
The obviously difficulty with that is that states define when candidates are required to file. Texas, for example, is the middle of December the year before the election (I think it was 12/14/2015 this cycle). Point being that would obviously cause an obvious obstruction to the process for people figuring out what they want to do. Probably not the end of the world, but it would be something to factor. ~k On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Ken Moellman <ken.moellman@lpky.org> wrote:
IMO this is all about ROI. So who gets the most people to show up?
While I think the venue helped, Johnson's campaign did a very good job of coercing people into attending as delegates or alternates to support him. At least, that's what happened in KY anyway.
Also you could look at off-season pricing as well.
Speaking of off-season, I'll note once that I think we ought to hold the convention for 2020 in either late 2019 or early 2020. Give our candidates more time to spin up and whatnot. Just want to plug that in as well. ---
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On 2016-06-02 14:11, Alicia Mattson wrote:
Arvin,
What's insane is what heart-of-the-strip Vegas hotels charge for use of their convention space.
Just because you can go on Kayak and buy a single leftover-inventory room in Vegas for $59 does not mean you can waltz into a prime location and lock down 400 rooms plus use of their convention space at that rate. Especially over a weekend, which is peak rates for Vegas...
I got 2012 bids from some strip hotels (no reference to James Weeks, II intended). Our delegates would have to pay $50-$70 more per night for guest rooms to get use of the convention space, and the hotels demanded minimum F&B (food and beverage) that was 2-5 times higher than our typical spending. The only affordable bids we got were off-strip.
We would face the same situation in many destination cities. We might be able to swing something on the outskirts, but our delegates are generally unwilling to pay for premium locations.
-Alicia
On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Please note that Las Vegas was done off the strip, which was insane. -Arvin On Jun 2, 2016 1:28 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> wrote:
Las Vegas is one of those top-10 destination cities. We were in Las Vegas in 2012 but did not have the turnout we had in Orlando.
Atlanta is not one of those top-10 destination cities, but in 2004 we had over 800 delegates there.
What really drove convention turnout this year was Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, not the fact that it was Orlando.
Some of those top-10 cities are VERY, VERY expensive for conventions (New York, San Francisco). If we didn't have Trump/Clinton to drive our convention attendance, and we chose a very expensive destination city, we'd lose our shirts on the convention finances.
-Alicia
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Arvin Vohra <votevohra@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This year's convention was an amazing success. One of the many reasons: the location. We picked a destination city, so people brought their spouses and kids. Many people bough gold packages, even when they weren't delegates, and routinely bought packages for their families as well.
I believe that all future conventions should be in destination cities. I know that the common wisdom is that presidential conventions should be in non-destination cities, because people will go to the convention anyway. The argument is: don't waste good cities on presidential years.
This argument is flawed. While delegates will go anywhere, they won't bring their families to non-destination cities.
Here are some cities we should consider: https://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice-Destinations-cTop-g191
And we should stick to the top 10.
Even if we repeat cities constantly, that's fine. Most people would be fine going to Las Vegas or New Orleans every four years, or even every two years.
I await your feedback, and I intend to make a motion on this in advance of the July meeting.
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