Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
-- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will not presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will not presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
--
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention? I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will not presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
--
Did they tell you which member of the COC? --- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will not presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday night.
--
Yes. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will not presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual dias were an inappropriate abuse of privilege.
On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday > night. > --
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie.
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: > That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will > not > presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. > > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> > wrote: > >> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >> dias >> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >> >>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>> night. >>> >> --
If you know which CoC member leaked a confidential contract you have a fiduciary duty to disclose that. I tell everyone who tells me things that if it is my duty I must disclose it. So who leaked it? On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 7:55 PM joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. > > --- > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member > Libertarian National Committee > 317-850-0726 Cell > > On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will >> not >> presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >>> dias >>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>>> night. >>>> >>> --
--
*In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
I've already been asked. If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have. The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment. Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark. Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.) --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote:
Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
> I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows > exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates > to hear. > > Grave overstep. > > Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state > affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the > convention? > > I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for > handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well > done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term. > > Your friend in liberty > Joshua > > On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > >> It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. >> >> --- >> Sam Goldstein, At Large Member >> Libertarian National Committee >> 317-850-0726 Cell >> >> On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >>> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will >>> not >>> presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >>>> dias >>>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>>>> night. >>>>> >>>> --
Dustin, Apparently people on the LNC seemed concerned that a member had language from the Orlando contract. (As witnessed at the May 24th online convention) I had just written in the LPIN slack that we couldn't share what's in the contract...and then was dumb-founded to hear numbers from the contract being stated for all to hear on May 24th. Which meant that the contract language wasn't a big secret like I thought. Then, several COC members admit that they shared the contract or language from the contract. So, it would seem that an LNC member implying that the chair leaked contract language is less of a concern, then the "who" might have leaked it. It's either wrong for all, or for none. There's no it's 'ok' for one person to leak the contract, but not others. Which is the crux of this discussion. This is neither moving forward or backward. It's being here in the moment. The present. This is what is being discussed. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-25 10:45, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
You took the words out of my mouth John. I concur. Let's move forward, not backward.
On May 25, 2020 10:28 AM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Ahhh. So we want to continue the game of distracting from the original complaint/unsubstantiated theories of things we have been told are not an actual serious concern.
Ok. Carry on playing games. This crap is why there is a FB group called No Incumbents for LNC.
Oh and EVH, you might note that neither earlier nor now did I single out a name or side. Intentionally. As I have done many times. However, as the saying goes, anyone who feels like the shoe fits is more than welcome to continue chewing on the shoe leather. Perhaps a few that think it does not should reconsider.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 25, 2020 8:59 AM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Show proof, or you're just covering.
Isn't that what you alaays day EVH?
-Joshua
On May 24, 2020 9:44 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I've already been asked. If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have. The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment. Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark. Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote: Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. > > --- > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member > Libertarian National Committee > 317-850-0726 Cell > > On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will >> not >> presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >>> dias >>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>>> night. >>>> >>> --
No distractions. What the chair did was wrong and we can choose to ignore as people have done since the day a goodly number of LNC members signed a letter of concern about our chair last year or we can finally get a spine and do something. I don’t care if other people did wrong too. We can deal with that as well. This threat is about abuse of the podium. And whether we are going to finally be an LNC or not. Or skate along because we scared it will hurt re-election chances. Everyone re-running wants to win. But that is not our job TODAY and no matter what someone else will hold that seat be this upcoming term or some other. On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 8:28 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Ahhh. So we want to continue the game of distracting from the original complaint/unsubstantiated theories of things we have been told are not an actual serious concern.
Ok. Carry on playing games. This crap is why there is a FB group called No Incumbents for LNC.
Oh and EVH, you might note that neither earlier nor now did I single out a name or side. Intentionally. As I have done many times. However, as the saying goes, anyone who feels like the shoe fits is more than welcome to continue chewing on the shoe leather. Perhaps a few that think it does not should reconsider.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 25, 2020 8:59 AM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Show proof, or you're just covering.
Isn't that what you alaays day EVH?
-Joshua
On May 24, 2020 9:44 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I've already been asked. If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have. The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment. Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark. Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote:
Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. > > --- > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member > Libertarian National Committee > 317-850-0726 Cell > > On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will >> not >> presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >>> dias >>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>>> night. >>>> >>> --
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Phillips, you like to chastise others. At in-person LNC meetings, you get up and yell at the other LNC members. On this list, you like to jump-in and try to get others to stop interacting. (virtual chastising) Have thought that maybe you're adding to the brew with all your holier-than-thou-chastising? lol --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-25 10:28, john.phillips@lp.org wrote:
Ahhh. So we want to continue the game of distracting from the original complaint/unsubstantiated theories of things we have been told are not an actual serious concern.
Ok. Carry on playing games. This crap is why there is a FB group called No Incumbents for LNC.
Oh and EVH, you might note that neither earlier nor now did I single out a name or side. Intentionally. As I have done many times. However, as the saying goes, anyone who feels like the shoe fits is more than welcome to continue chewing on the shoe leather. Perhaps a few that think it does not should reconsider.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 25, 2020 8:59 AM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Show proof, or you're just covering.
Isn't that what you alaays day EVH?
-Joshua
On May 24, 2020 9:44 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I've already been asked. If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have. The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment. Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark. Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote: Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 18:45, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business wrote:
I'm with Sam. Quit treating the chair like he is dumb. He knows exactly what it said, and put out only what he wanted the delegates to hear.
Grave overstep.
Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I would also like to say thank you to our Vice Chair Alex Merced for handling the end of that convention with style and grace. Job well done sir. You will be sorely missed after this term.
Your friend in liberty Joshua
On May 24, 2020 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
> It was not misleading. It was a flat out lie. > > --- > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member > Libertarian National Committee > 317-850-0726 Cell > > On 2020-05-24 17:02, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: >> That statement by the chair on the contract was misleading. I will >> not >> presume it was intentional. I hope it was not. That would be bad. >> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:52 PM Caryn Ann Harlos >> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree. And the attacks on political opponents from the virtual >>> dias >>> were an inappropriate abuse of privilege. >>> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:43 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business < >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Mr. Sarwark should have made this known to EVERYONE on Friday >>>> night. >>>> >>> --
Several members of the COC have already stated that they shared the contract with others. (laughing) "Show proof, or you're just covering." That's not how I state things. Weird of you to write that. It is interesting that you wrote: "...what member of the COC put out a confidential contract..." Now that at least two members have stated they did share the contract and/or language in the contract, are concerned with those actions? Or, are you only concerned if it points to the 'Chair"? (No need to answer, those are rhetorical questions. ; ) --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) On 2020-05-25 09:59, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote:
Show proof, or you're just covering.
Isn't that what you alaays day EVH?
-Joshua
On May 24, 2020 9:44 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
I've already been asked. If I was interested in naming that person, I already would have. The only reason I even brought it up was due to your comment. Which implies that people finding out contract details, had to have come from Sarwark. Yet, at least one member of the COC, shared the contract with others. (The person who told me is someone who is credible.)
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 21:55, joshua.smith@lp.org wrote: Please tell us what member of the COC put out a confidential contract please.
Thanks, Joshua
On May 24, 2020 8:38 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Don't even start with me. Smith brought up the subject.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:53, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
Which has not one damn thing to do with his intentional misleading of the delegates.
It is not the first thing to be leaked by any means, even in just the last 2 years. So meh, not anywhere near the top of the problems list
How about we not try to change directions, or if you insist on it that should be separate from this one.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On May 24, 2020 7:22 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Yes.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2020-05-24 20:20, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
Did they tell you which member of the COC?
--- Sam Goldstein, At Large Member Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell
On 2020-05-24 20:06, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote:
You wrote: "Furthermore, I would like to know how the chair of his state affiliate got ahold of the confidential info involving the convention?
I was just in chat with someone who said a member of the COC showed them the contract. That person told me and three others. So, I don't think there's some veil of secrecy, like I thought there was.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
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Caryn Ann Harlos -
dustin.nanna＠lp.org -
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john.phillips＠lp.org -
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Sam Goldstein -
Whitney Bilyeu