I told you. And I need to go back to the APRC but I don’t recall that equally bad language being approved. Do the no’s still think no need to get involved? Are we actually going to persuade people with an unjust argument? On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:02 PM John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
With all due respect, the change may even be worse than the original. "Silence is seen as consent" is the whole damn problem. Changing it to that fixes not a goddamn thing, if anything it makes it worse.
All the strong disagreements we have had and this is the first time I am actually ashamed to be a part of this group.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jul 5, 2019 11:32 PM, "Nicholas J. Sarwark via Lnc-business" < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no.
The language in the FAQ that could be misconstrued has been changed and deleting a tweet weeks later is worse than useless, given the nature of Twitter.
-Nick
On Jul 5, 2019, at 9:13 PM, John Phillips via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Gotcha, seen a few of those too
On Jul 5, 2019 11:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote: Gracias- I got scrambled html and trying to read between the symbols I saw a no. Thank you!
-Caryn Ann
On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 9:05 PM John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Since apparently there is some issue with the list again ... My vote is YES.
Not nay as was recorded.
John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973
On Jul 5, 2019 6:42 PM, William Redpath via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Yes. Bill Redpath
On 2019-07-02 00:21, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
I will vote yes.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 08:46 Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
Thank you Joe Bishop-Henchman. As I stated in one of my previous emails, I think the language of "Silence is consent" is bad optics.
Even if changed to, "Silence is seen as consent", the optics aren't good.
I shall again recommend that the LP website be reworded. My recommendation is: "Not voting is seen as consent."
For the Twitter account, a deletion of the offending tweet.
This is addressing concerns from members, and to those who might look to the LP for a potential political home. The LP needs to be responsive.
--- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY)
On 2019-07-01 11:01, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:
I vote yes.
I'm torn. The message on the website and the tweet promoting it aren't good messaging, although I question whether many are actually upset by it instead of just scenting blood in the water to attack the LP for its marketing efforts yet again. This is also a matter the APRC and the Executive Director can deal with instead of it being rushed to the LNC. But if we are sending mixed messages through our failure to adopt a marketing strategy and identify who is responsible for it, and we
are, it is up to us to resolve the conflicts that come from those crossed wires. I do worry about the LNC-micromanagement-of-staff implications of this: I am a firm believer that the LNC sets the vision and goals, hires staff to develop a strategy that we approve, and the staff executes. But we haven't done our part yet, so things like this will keep happening until we do.
I will be coming forward, perhaps at the next meeting, with some sketches for reconstructing our committee structure, a process for long-range planning and goal-setting, and ideas for staff objectives and accountability. I recognize there is a problem here and want to help the LNC pursue constructive solutions rather than a bunch more votes like this one.
But since the question has been put to me as whether the tweet should be deleted and the language rewritten, yes, both of those things should happen. It's tough to be accurate while being pithier than Burke's "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" but "silence is consent" didn't hit the mark.
JBH
------------ Joe Bishop-Henchman LNC Member (At-Large) joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837
On 2019-06-28 12:05, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
BALLOT 20190628-1: DIRECTIVE REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND WEB PAGE
We have an electronic mail ballot.
Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by JULY 5, 2019 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time.
Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith
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Motion: Move that the tweet made on the Party on the official Twitter account including the quote that “silence equals consent” be deleted and that the corresponding text on LP.org be removed. The Executive Director is instructed to rewrite that text to address member and LNC concerns and submit to the LNC for final approval/amendment.
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