I'll remind this committee that Mr. Brown has been known to be wrong, and to correct himself when someone points out a different argument. --- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/ On 2020-06-07 07:01, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
Some emails got posted in the wrong thread. I am sure Mr. Coburn knows where the belonged.
On this I remind the rest of the LNC that our convention parliamentarian Mr. Brown has concurred with Ms. Mattson and I.
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On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote:
If you would like the direct quote from counsel I can provide it.
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:42 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote:
He does not have the unilateral power of appointment. He cannot appoint someone not recommended. He does have that power with regards to the chair.
On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 12:50 AM Tucker Coburn <tucker.coburn@lp.org> wrote:
I vote yes.
As the Secretary has pointed out, this vote is about whether the Chair's action was proper, not whether we agree or disagree with it. For that reason and the explanation below, I would urge members that have voted no to reconsider, particularly those that have paid close attention to RONR over the past couple months.
Page 177 of Robert's is very clear in stating the power to remove or replace members of the committee: If a single person, such as the president, has the power of appointment, he has the power to remove or replace a member so appointed; ...""Unless the bylaws or other governing rules provide otherwise, the appointing authority has
I disagree with the Secretary and Ms. Mattson. Though the policy manual provides for a recommendation from the Members of the COC, it explicitly leaves the selection to the Chair. Further to the point, the Secretary's Report (Pg 64) from the 2018 December LNC Meeting Minutes states, "The LNC Chair appointed Daniel Hayes, Ken Moellman, and Drew Layda as the non-LNC members of this committee." There is no mention of the COC members appointing these three as they did not: they recommended them to the Chair for selection.
The Chair has the sole power of appointment and thus also has the sole power to remove.
Thank you, -- Tucker Coburn LNC Region 8 Representative www.lp.org
On 2020-06-06 13:58, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business wrote:
I vote no and believe that the arguments have been thoroughly laid out.
To Mr. Bishop-Henchman's point specifically, there is a distinct difference between the president appointing and the Senate then confirming versus the committee recommending and the chair then appointing. The spirit of your argument is certainly similar, but I see too much difference in the circumstances to be convinced.
Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth@lp.org 931.538.9300
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 07:36 Jeff Hewitt via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I vote no. Jeff Hewitt Region 4 Rep
On 2020-06-06 00:01, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote: > I vote no. > > -Alicia > > > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 1:18 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: > >> EMAIL BALLOT 200531-1 APPEAL FROM THE RULING OF THE CHAIR CONCERNING >> REMOVAL OF DANIEL HAYES FROM THE COC >> >> We have an electronic mail ballot. >> >> Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by June 7, 2020 at 11:59:59 pm >> Pacific time. >> >> Co-Sponsors: Goldstein, Harlos, Longstreth, Phillips, Smith >> >> ============================================= >> >> >> Motion: The Chair has ruled he can not only remove Daniel Hayes as CoC >> chair but also from the committee entirely. Harlos appeals from the >> ruling >> of the chair that he can remove Hayes from the committee without CoC >> approval since appointment required CoC approval. >> >> ============================================= >> >> THRESHOLD REQUIRED: A majority vote is required to overturn the >> ruling of >> the chair. >> >> >> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: >> >>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvsY...
>> . >> Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for >> verification. You >> can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom >> of >> the sheet. >> >> >> Please notify me of any discrepancies. >> >> * In Liberty,* >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If >> anyone >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social >> faux >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. >> * >>
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