Mr. Phillips we can concurrently offer the Adams compromise that would be a ballot that expires concurrently with this one or one day later. *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:28 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
EVH, I think your point has merit. If this motion passes, I would re-offer the Erin Adams compromise motion or something very similar unless someone convinces me that would be unwise.
From what I hear from what happened tonight - not the things that will be fixed with practices - but with the inherent flaws that make this NOT a deliberative process and our chair's comments about points of order and parliamentary inquiry, I do not believe we can pull this off and protect rights. If that is the route the LNC decides to take, I will respect it and do my best, but the best at impossible is still impossible.
But we did commit to a compromise. But our compromise where our chair has vowed to skuttle it is no compromise. We need one that cannot be skuttled by the chair. Ms. Adams' compromise is far superior. After getting some advise, I may be seeking co-sponsors for a concurrent ballot with this one to expire after it that would adopt the Adams motion.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:23 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
Email ballots do not require four co-sponsors from the winning side. The sponsors are like seconds. I have not decided if I am going to support this motion, but I am not going to let it get squashed by procedure. But you are incorrect on the point of order to begin with. We are not in the same session. That requirement for the winning side is only in the same session. A rescind does not require someone on the winning side. If you need the RONR pages, I can provide them.
*In Liberty,*
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:48 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I object to this motion.
The purpose of the compromise we came to was to accomodate ballot access deadlines and the recognition that a July date made doing so impossible or impractical. Ignoring those concerns is irresponsible and damaging to the Party. Furthermore, we waited too long to make a decision in the first place, this is on us. We all knew well before last weekend that Memorial Day in Texas wasn't going to fly in the current climate, we have noone but ourselves to blame for letting things get to this point with wishful thinking. Its time to stop acting childish, suck it up, and make the best of the situation we're in.
On parliamentary grounds, a motion to reconsider is required to be made by a member of the prevailing side, I would argue that an email ballot requires 4 valid cosponsors, and thus would require 4 members from the prevailing side to cosponsor in order to be a valid motion.
Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative
On May 13, 2020 11:04 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
I ask for email ballot co-sponsors for the following motion to:
Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020 LNC meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw Article 10.1, the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of July 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
I know that I was on the losing side of a 13-4 motion on Saturday, however after tonight's train-wreck and the information I learned during it, I believe that some LNC members from the other side are ready to change course. If I did not believe that to be the case, I would not offer this motion. To preserve options for the LNC, given the 7-day voting period for an email ballot, I want to start this motion now so that it can complete by next Wednesday.
I will have a LOT to say about this soon, as will others, but my first focus is getting the co-sponsors. Then we can debate.
-Alicia
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