I agree with with Caryn Ann's call for LNC educational clarity on our motion. To Erin's point, I suggest we amend the motion to spell out where we agree and disagree with the Yemen troop withdrawal resolution. This is an excellent educational opportunity that will allow the LNC to shine. Thoughts? On Oct 22, 2017 11:20 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote:
A yes vote will not. We don't have the influence. And giving tacit support to the abominable policy that put us there to begin with is a net educational loss.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:16 AM David Demarest <dprattdemarest@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, Joshua is correct. A Yes vote MAY not decrease the American causalities in Yemen. A well-intended No vote, however, DEFINITELY will not reduce American deaths.
A Yes vote will demonstrate to the broader audience that the LNC has it's priorities straight on reducing useless American deaths and make our inspirational deliberations more relevant to American voters and speed up the process
Thoughts?
On Oct 22, 2017 9:41 AM, "Ken Moellman" <ken@moellman.com> wrote:
On the whole, I think it's a net good. Therefore, I vote Aye.
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, David Demarest < dprattdemarest@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote Yes on the Yemen motion.
I agree with wise use of the bully pulpit. Accordingly, I am voting in favor of the Yemen resolution just as I would vote Yes on a medicinal marijuana motion even though it did not go for the whole drug war repeal enchilada. Why throw out the baby with the bath water?
If the LNC seriously intends to help make the Libertarian movement a success, we need to put more emphasis on deciding what we are going to accomplish rather than finding reasons for voting No.
A No vote on this motion is preaching to the choir. A Yes vote is a clear stand in favor of reducing our military presence in Yemen and reducing useless American soldier causalities as we get a start on bringing them home. A No vote on this motion is NOT going to reduce the deaths of American soldiers.
Thought?
~David Pratt Demarest
On Oct 22, 2017 8:01 AM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <carynannharlos@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote no partially for the same reasons as Sam.
And add, that with rare exception, I oppose us putting out resolutions that do not reference clear libertarian ideological justifications in order to further education on our views.
I think a statement or press release from the chair could address this in an libertarian-focused manner.
We need to use our bully pulpit wisely.
-Caryn Ann
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 6:10 AM Sam Goldstein < goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote No on this motion.
I also strongly encourage other LNC members to vote no. The resolution clearly allow the Federal government to use military force in another country in violation of both our party Platform and the NAP.
Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee Member at Large 8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101 Indianapolis IN 46260 317-850-0726 <(317)%20850-0726> Phone 317-582-1773 <(317)%20582-1773> Fax
On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Patrick McKnight < patrick.joseph.mcknight@gmail.com> wrote:
> I vote yes. > > Thanks, > Patrick McKnight > Region 8 Rep > > On Oct 22, 2017 2:42 AM, "Alicia Mattson" <agmattson@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> We have an electronic mail ballot. >> >> >> *Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by October 31, 2017 at >> 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Trick or Treat!!* >> *Co-Sponsor:* Sarwark >> >> *Motion:* That the LNC adopt the following resolution: >> >> --------------------Resolution Text-------------------- >> >> A Call to End the U.S. War in Yemen and Support House Concurrent >> Resolution 81 >> >> Directing the President pursuant to section 5(c) of the War Powers >> Resolution to remove United States Armed Forces from unauthorized >> hostilities in the Republic of Yemen. >> >> Resolved by the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) >> >> SECTION 1. REMOVAL OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES FROM HOSTILITIES >> IN THE REPUBLIC OF YEMEN THAT HAVE NOT BEEN AUTHORIZED BY CONGRESS. >> >> (a) Findings ––The Libertarian National Committee agrees with >> Congress and finds the following: >> >> (1) Whereas, Congress has the sole power to declare war under >> article I, section 8, of the Constitution. >> >> (2) Whereas, a state of war has not been declared to exist with >> respect to the conflict between forces led by Saudi Arabia and the United >> Arab Emirates against the Houthi-Saleh alliance in the Republic of Yemen. >> >> (3) Whereas, United States Armed Forces have been involved in >> hostilities between Saudi-led forces and the Houthi-Saleh alliance, >> including through assisting Saudi and United Arab Emirates warplanes >> conducting aerial bombings in Yemen with selecting targets and by providing >> midair refueling services to such warplanes, amounting to millions of >> pounds of jet fuel delivered during thousands of Saudi and United Arab >> Emirates airstrikes. >> >> (4) Whereas, according to the Department of State’s Country Reports >> on Terrorism 2016, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the >> Houthi-Saleh alliance is counterproductive to ongoing efforts by the United >> States to pursue Al Qaeda and its associated forces under the Authorization >> for the Use of Military Force (Public Law 107–40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note). >> >> (5) Whereas, no authorization for the use of United States Armed >> Forces with respect to the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the >> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen has been enacted, and no provision of law >> authorizes the provision of midair refueling services to warplanes of Saudi >> Arabia or the United Arab Emirates that are engaged in such conflict. >> >> (6) Whereas, the conflict between Saudi-led forces and the >> Houthi-Saleh alliance in Yemen constitutes, within the meaning of section >> 4(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1543(a)(1)), either >> hostilities or a situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is >> clearly indicated by the circumstances into which United States Armed >> Forces have been introduced. >> >> Therefore, be it resolved, the LNC supports H.Con.Res. 81 in >> accordance with section 3.3 of the Libertarian Party Platform, but advises >> complete removal of U.S. Armed Forces from the Republic of Yemen: >> >> (b) Removal Of Armed Forces.—Pursuant to section 5(c) of the War >> Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. 1544(c)), Congress hereby directs the >> President to remove United States Armed Forces from hostilities in the >> Republic of Yemen, except United States Armed Forces engaged in operations >> directed at Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula or associated forces, by not >> later than the date that is 30 days after the date of the adoption of this >> concurrent resolution (unless the President requests and the Congress >> authorizes a later date), and unless and until a declaration of war or >> specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces has been >> enacted. >> >> -----------------End of Resolution Text----------------- >> >> -Alicia >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Lnc-business mailing list >> Lnc-business@hq.lp.org >> http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Lnc-business mailing list > Lnc-business@hq.lp.org > http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org > > _______________________________________________ Lnc-business mailing list Lnc-business@hq.lp.org http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org
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