And this is where we disagree. BUT at this point rehashing this discussion AGAIN is completely pointless. Our responsibility is to fix it so it does not reoccur, not continue finger pointing like a bunch of gradeschool children. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann HarlosDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 11:44 AMTo: john.phillips@lp.org;Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS And that the fault and responsibility falls squarely on leadership. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:43 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: No Whitney it is my personal position that the delegates were inadvertently unduly influenced and misled. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote: It would require a bylaws change effective for that convention only. On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:01 AM john.phillips@lp.org <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote: Exactly, I think we already discussed this a bit. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann HarlosDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 10:43 AMTo: lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Cc: Sam Goldstein;john.phillips@lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS At the beginning of convention someone will need to move to amend the convention agenda as specified in our rules It would behoove us to plan for that with a smooth process On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 7:56 AM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: Just to be clear, one way or another I hope to get it moved to the beginning of the 2020 convention rather than the end or waiting until 2022, so that it can be done and have a fully functioning JC for anything that may come up during the convention. John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-businessDate: Thu, Aug 2, 2018 9:45 AMTo: Sam Goldstein;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;lnc-business@hq.lp.org;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes. That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but still grievously) caused. The delegates can take it up in 2020 -Caryn Ann PS: the official results will be announced shortly On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote: So this pretend JC will serve until 2022? --- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell On 2018-08-02 02:22, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that. -Caryn Ann On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is elected, etc. This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term. -Alicia On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian National Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if they were elected in the normal course of convention business and follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: [1]https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft References 1. https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org -- -- In Liberty, Caryn Ann Harlos Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles: We defend your rights And oppose the use of force Taxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft -- -- In Liberty,Caryn Ann HarlosLibertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org A haiku to the Statement of Principles:We defend your rightsAnd oppose the use of forceTaxation is theft