May 2020 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

Observations
by Nicholas Sarwark 30 May '20

30 May '20

Dear All, Less than 24 hours after replacing the Convention Oversight Committee Chair, the contract with the Rosen Group has been successfully renegotiated. Members of the Convention Oversight Committee and the Libertarian National Committee are taking the opportunity to review it prior to my execution of the contract on Monday. In that same period of time, I have received 110 separate emails from LNC and COC members, not counting the roughly 100 emails from members expressing their opinions about my actions. For the benefit of those who may not be aware, I don't find the 100th instance of being accused of “dishonesty,” “abusing power,” or starting a “shitshow” more persuasive than the first. Calling me a “rat fuck,” as one member has repeatedly and publicly done has not changed my mind, though it has provided me more information about the member's character, temperament, and fitness for any position in the Libertarian Party. Members of this committee have the freedom to continue to abuse each other, obstruct the conduct of the party's business, and waste time with fruitless motions to try to spite me. How they choose to use their freedoms has not gone unnoticed. Yours in liberty, Nick

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EMAIL BALLOT 200520-1 APPROVE 3/26/20 LNC MINUTES V3
by Caryn Ann Harlos 30 May '20

30 May '20

We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by May 27, 2020 at 11:59:59 pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Phillips ============================================= Motion: Approve 3/26/20 LNC minutes V3. ============================================= THRESHOLD REQUIRED: Simple Majority You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VntkXkkuQouUiWbt9bnI_TjSMKDiTaDDpvs… Votes are noted with a link to the actual ballot cast for verification. You can find the time that the manual tally was last updated at the bottom of the sheet. Please notify me of any discrepancies. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *

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process for removal of non-LNC member of COC
by Alicia Mattson 30 May '20

30 May '20

Earlier today I wrote this: "I want to point out that though LNC policy gives the LNC chair the power to select which of the COC members is chair, the same policy says that the LNC Chair's appoints the non-LNC persons to the COC only with the consent of the COC. He has unilateral power to remove committee appointments that he unilaterally made, but he did not unilaterally appoint Mr. Hayes to be a COC member. The LNC members on the COC also had to approve Mr. Hayes' appointment. In such a case, I would like to hear the argument for why he can unilaterally remove him from the committee if the COC does not agree." I just noticed that extra apostrophe-s combo in there...incomplete edit. This was at the bottom of another email, and I'm moving this to its own thread so it is less likely to be overlooked. I haven't yet heard a counter-argument, but I want to add to my point. We have two entities here which jointly appoint non-LNC members to the COC. RONR addresses removal when an appointment is made by one person. RONR addresses removal when it's made by an assembly like the LNC. It doesn't really go into the scenario in which two entities have to agree for an appointment. What's the most reasonable approach for how such an appointment is reversed? If the two entities are considered together to be the appointing body, one entity is not a majority of the appointing body. Both entities have to agree to get to that majority threshold for the appointment. To reverse an appointment requires a motion to Rescind or to Amend Something Previously Adopted. These require a majority with notice, a majority of the entire membership, or a 2/3 vote. None of these thresholds can be met with just the LNC Chair without the COC. If it requires action by both appointing entities to remove a non-LNC member from the COC, then the COC should proceed with Mr. Hayes as a member since we did not consent to his removal. The chair seems to be taking the position that it requires consent from both to appoint, therefore if one of the two entities later withdraws consent, the appointment is reversed. This is not consistent with how RONR says committee appointments are reversed. But the equal application of this logic would say that, hypothetically speaking, if the COC removed its consent for a different non-LNC member of the COC, that person would no longer be on the committee, either, even if the Chair disagreed, right? Or if the LNC had made an LNC-member appointment with a 9-8 vote, that any of the 9 could later withdraw their consent and reverse the outcome. We all know that one person can't later withdraw the deciding vote to unilaterally kill a collective decision of the LNC. Now that the question is squarely in front of us and I'm having to develop a firm opinion about it, I'm having trouble seeing the merits of this view of how our joint-appointment policy works. -Alicia

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Re: [Lnc-business] Appointment of Convention Oversight Committee Chair
by Richard Longstreth 29 May '20

29 May '20

I've got the contract and BetteRose has asked that I share with any LNC member on request. Please email me if you still need a copy. I also believe all COC members now have a copy and you can request from them. Richard Longstreth Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) Libertarian National Committee richard.longstreth(a)lp.org 931.538.9300 Sent from my Mobile Device On Fri, May 29, 2020, 16:01 BetteRose <betterose(a)aol.com> wrote: > I would be happy to answer any questions you have individually. Set up a > time with me when we can both talk. This weekend I will be tied up on CoC > business most of the time but we can try to set something up if one of you > need to talk to me. > > BetteRose Ryan > Publisher > Bent Briar Publishing <http://www.bentbriarbooks.com/> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth(a)lp.org> > To: LNC Business <lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> > Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn(a)lp.org>; Caryn Ann Harlos < > caryn.ann.harlos(a)lp.org>; BetteRose Ryan <betterose(a)aol.com> > Sent: Fri, May 29, 2020 12:21 pm > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Appointment of Convention Oversight Committee > Chair > > Would Ms Ryan be interested in a proactive Q&A perhaps, rather than us > waiting a week on the ballot? I'd like to cut some of the tension and move > forward if possible. While the LNC currently has no say, I think that any > questions should be held if they exist pending a ballot. > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:00 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < > lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > > We are of one mind I believe on this. > > I’m saddened that people are being used as political pawns here. > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:57 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < > elizabeth.vanhorn(a)lp.org> > wrote: > > > I agree with interviewing a new COC chair. (Which goes along with what > > the LNC should've been able to do prior.) > > --- > > Elizabeth Van Horn > > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-29 11:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: > > > > I believe the LNC has a right to interview her about her positions. As a > > fellow Coloradan there have been things said here which concern me, but I > > might have misunderstood Ms. Ryan and since the context was grossly > > different than now, the LNC and she have a right to have an interview > > process which can take place in seven days. > > > > I find it grievous that our chair would embroil Ms. Ryan in this shitshow > > of his own making. > > > > *In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < > > lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > > > >> I met BetteRose Ryan in Reno at the Not-Super-Bowel party. We talked > >> and she told me about the history of how she began planning LP > >> conventions. How she was able to grow convention participation with her > >> local/state affiliate, and she'd been instrumental in doing so for the > >> national LP conventions too. > >> > >> BetteRose Ryan is a good choice. > >> > >> --- > >> Elizabeth Van Horn > >> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2020-05-29 11:33, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote: > >> > Dear All, > >> > > >> > I'm happy to report that BetteRose Ryan, who serves on the Convention > >> > Oversight Committee and has previously been Chair or primary organizer > >> > of > >> > multiple successful national conventions is willing to serve as Chair > >> > of > >> > the Convention Oversight Committee. I am appointing her to that > >> > position. > >> > > >> > I trust that staff will make sure she has what access and permissions > >> > are > >> > necessary to fulfill her new role and I will ensure that she is > >> > included in > >> > negotiations with the Rosen Group moving forward. > >> > > >> > I anticipate that Ms. Ryan will convene a meeting of the Convention > >> > Oversight Committee shortly to make a recommendation regarding the > >> > filling > >> > of the vacancy on the committee. > >> > > >> > Yours in liberty, > >> > Nick > > > > -- > > *In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > -- > Richard Longstreth > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) > Libertarian National Committee > richard.longstreth(a)lp.org > 931.538.9300 >

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Request for co-sponsors - change policy manual re appointment of CoC
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 May '20

29 May '20

I don't have the specific language yet as I want to craft with those who would support. The gist is to make the appointment of all of the CoC an LNC decision and none of them unilateral to the chair. I do not mind if this is a time-limited just for Mr. Sarwark's reign. But I think it a good change permanently. I would like to get four sponsors together and craft the language. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *

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Thoughts.
by john.phillips＠lp.org 29 May '20

29 May '20

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Re: [Lnc-business] Appointment of Convention Oversight Committee Chair
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 May '20

29 May '20

I will get with you next week On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:01 PM BetteRose <betterose(a)aol.com> wrote: > I would be happy to answer any questions you have individually. Set up a > time with me when we can both talk. This weekend I will be tied up on CoC > business most of the time but we can try to set something up if one of you > need to talk to me. > > BetteRose Ryan > Publisher > Bent Briar Publishing <http://www.bentbriarbooks.com/> > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Longstreth <richard.longstreth(a)lp.org> > To: LNC Business <lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> > Cc: Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn(a)lp.org>; Caryn Ann Harlos < > caryn.ann.harlos(a)lp.org>; BetteRose Ryan <betterose(a)aol.com> > Sent: Fri, May 29, 2020 12:21 pm > Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Appointment of Convention Oversight Committee > Chair > > Would Ms Ryan be interested in a proactive Q&A perhaps, rather than us > waiting a week on the ballot? I'd like to cut some of the tension and move > forward if possible. While the LNC currently has no say, I think that any > questions should be held if they exist pending a ballot. > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:00 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business < > lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > > We are of one mind I believe on this. > > I’m saddened that people are being used as political pawns here. > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:57 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < > elizabeth.vanhorn(a)lp.org> > wrote: > > > I agree with interviewing a new COC chair. (Which goes along with what > > the LNC should've been able to do prior.) > > --- > > Elizabeth Van Horn > > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) > > > > > > > > On 2020-05-29 11:54, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: > > > > I believe the LNC has a right to interview her about her positions. As a > > fellow Coloradan there have been things said here which concern me, but I > > might have misunderstood Ms. Ryan and since the context was grossly > > different than now, the LNC and she have a right to have an interview > > process which can take place in seven days. > > > > I find it grievous that our chair would embroil Ms. Ryan in this shitshow > > of his own making. > > > > *In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < > > lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > > > >> I met BetteRose Ryan in Reno at the Not-Super-Bowel party. We talked > >> and she told me about the history of how she began planning LP > >> conventions. How she was able to grow convention participation with her > >> local/state affiliate, and she'd been instrumental in doing so for the > >> national LP conventions too. > >> > >> BetteRose Ryan is a good choice. > >> > >> --- > >> Elizabeth Van Horn > >> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) > >> > >> > >> > >> On 2020-05-29 11:33, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business wrote: > >> > Dear All, > >> > > >> > I'm happy to report that BetteRose Ryan, who serves on the Convention > >> > Oversight Committee and has previously been Chair or primary organizer > >> > of > >> > multiple successful national conventions is willing to serve as Chair > >> > of > >> > the Convention Oversight Committee. I am appointing her to that > >> > position. > >> > > >> > I trust that staff will make sure she has what access and permissions > >> > are > >> > necessary to fulfill her new role and I will ensure that she is > >> > included in > >> > negotiations with the Rosen Group moving forward. > >> > > >> > I anticipate that Ms. Ryan will convene a meeting of the Convention > >> > Oversight Committee shortly to make a recommendation regarding the > >> > filling > >> > of the vacancy on the committee. > >> > > >> > Yours in liberty, > >> > Nick > > > > -- > > *In Liberty,* > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * > > > > -- > Richard Longstreth > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY) > Libertarian National Committee > richard.longstreth(a)lp.org > 931.538.9300 > -- *In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *

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Status of Rosen Contract for Orlando
by Nicholas Sarwark 29 May '20

29 May '20

Dear All, Oliver Hall, BetteRose Ryan, and Robert Kraus met by phone with representatives for the Rosen Group. They negotiated improvements in contract terms that addressed the risks and concerns present in previous versions of the contract and will be finalizing those changes. Once those changes are made, members of the LNC are free to contact Convention Oversight Committee Chair, BetteRose Ryan, for a copy of the contract to review. I expect that members of the LNC will use their discretion in keeping details confidential that ought to remain confidential. My intent is to sign the contract on behalf of the Libertarian Party and send it over to Harris Rosen for his signature no later than Monday. Yours in liberty, Nick

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Please provide the LNC and CoC a copy of the contract that is sent to the hotel
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 May '20

29 May '20

I would like to see a copy of this contract as it is sent over to the hotel. I want to see the changes requested. * In Liberty,* * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *

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Contact form
by justin.odonnell＠lp.org 29 May '20

29 May '20

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