September 2018 - Lnc-business - Moellman Enterprises Email

Opa Vote Depo
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Hello everyone, in preparation for the Opa Vote demo please review the following: Short video on our demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM I have attached some handouts as well (they are also in the e-notebook). You will be receiving a email ballot from Opa Vote. *PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST.* -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> or Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* ========================================================================= Hello everyone, in preparation for the Opa Vote demo please review the following: Short video on our demo: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM I have attached some handouts as well (they are also in the e-notebook). You will be receiving a email ballot from Opa Vote. PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO FIRST. -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 4. http://www.lp.org/

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e-notebook for today's meeting
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Hello everyone, as promised here is the short video on how to use the LNC e-notebook that I prepared: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM&feature=youtu.be Here again is the link to the e-notebook https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> or Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* ========================================================================= Hello everyone, as promised here is the short video on how to use the LNC e-notebook that I prepared: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM&feature=youtu.be Here again is the link to the e-notebook [2]https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [3]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [4]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [5]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeEqm-lpHkM&feature=youtu.be 2. https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg 3. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 4. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 5. http://www.lp.org/

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Re: [Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes
by john.phillips＠lp.org 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Leave all comma's out, thet are an abbreviation for communism. Plus makes reading far more entertaining John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell 217-412-5973 ------ Original message------From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-businessDate: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 5:18 PMTo: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org;Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the inside - not my personal preference. I have a subscription, I'll forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine. -Caryn Ann On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business < lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I > dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft > while many of us are in transit to the meeting. > Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be > approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. > You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is > different from the first version I sent about a month ago. > I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based > on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: > * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been > intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. > * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 > * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of > quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of > those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider > it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the > instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the > title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record > of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me > for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the > title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to > place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that > the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the > source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes > more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a > dry heat," said Jane. > * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of > the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in > the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws > and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of > Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the > text. > * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. > * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. > * The missing period on p. 31 has been added. > * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. > > There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results > out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't > make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to > do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than > later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so > I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for > the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the > materials together for today. > This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by > Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 > on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal > impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly > increases the percentages for each candidate. > -Alicia > -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org * ========================================================================= It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the inside - not my personal preference. I have a subscription, I'll forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine. -Caryn Ann On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <[1]lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft while many of us are in transit to the meeting. Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is different from the first version I sent about a month ago. I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a dry heat," said Jane. * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the text. * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. * The missing period on p. 31 has been added. * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the materials together for today. This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly increases the percentages for each candidate. -Alicia -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 4. http://www.lp.org/ Leave all comma's out, thet are an abbreviation for communism. Plus makes reading far more entertaining John Phillips Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative Cell [1]217-412-5973 ------ Original message------ From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business Date: Fri, Sep 28, 2018 5:18 PM To: [2]lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org; Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos; Subject:Re: [Lnc-business] updated draft of convention minutes It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the inside - not my personal preference. I have a subscription, I'll forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine. -Caryn Ann On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <[3] lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: > It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I > dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft > while many of us are in transit to the meeting. > Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be > approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. > You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is > different from the first version I sent about a month ago. > I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based > on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: > * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been > intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. > * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 > * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of > quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of > those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider > it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the > instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the > title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record > of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me > for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the > title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to > place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that > the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the > source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes > more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a > dry heat," said Jane. > * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of > the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in > the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws > and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of > Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the > text. > * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. > * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. > * The missing period on p. 31 has been added. > * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. > > There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results > out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't > make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to > do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than > later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so > I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for > the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the > materials together for today. > This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by > Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 > on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal > impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly > increases the percentages for each candidate. > -Alicia > -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- [4]Caryn.Ann. [5] Harlos(a)LP.org or[6] Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* -[7] LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at [8]561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [9]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [10]http://www.LP.org * ========================================================================= It is my understanding that the Chicago Manual dictates commas on the inside - not my personal preference. I have a subscription, I'll forward the appropriate citation once I kill this migraine. -Caryn Ann On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 1:59 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <[1[11]]lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org> wrote: It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft while many of us are in transit to the meeting. Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is different from the first version I sent about a month ago. I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a dry heat," said Jane. * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the text. * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. * The missing period on p. 31 has been added. * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the materials together for today. This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly increases the percentages for each candidate. -Alicia -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2][12]Caryn.Ann.[13] Harlos(a)LP.org or[14] Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -[15] LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at [16]561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [3][17]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4][18]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. mailto[19]:lnc-business@hq.lp.org 2. mailto[20]:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 3. [21]http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 4. [22]http://www.lp.org/ References 1. tel:217-412-5973 2. mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org 3. mailto: lnc-business(a)hq.lp.org 4. http://Caryn.An/ 5. mailto: Harlos(a)LP.org 6. mailto: Secretary(a)LP.org. 7. mailto: LPedia(a)LP.org 8. tel:561.523.2250 9. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 10. http://www.LP.org/ 11. mailto:]lnc-business@hq.lp.org 12. http://Caryn.An/ 13. mailto: Harlos(a)LP.org 14. mailto: Secretary(a)LP.org. 15. mailto: LPedia(a)LP.org 16. tel:561.523.2250 17. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 18. http://www.LP.org/ 19. mailto::lnc-business@hq.lp.org 20. mailto::Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 21. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 22. http://www.lp.org/

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Response: Proposed Amendments to 7/3/18 minutes
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

I am going to put the conclusion first since I know folks will be really busy and have to skim a few things. == At the beginning of the term, our Secretary indicated that her draft minutes had more content than has been included in the past,== That is one way to put it, but not a complete way. I indicated that my draft contained more than my immediate successor and *less* than other prior Secretaries, thus the custom of this body has been to include FAR more. ==and she acknowledged that it's up to the LNC to decide whether it wants our minutes to include those things.== Yes of course as the approving body. *However,* unless there is something missing or something that clearly is prejudicial in some way, I would hope that we are not going to spend time re-making me in my successor's image. I think some of these are quibbles that I think should be left up to the competency of the elected Secretary. Dr. Lark kindly provided a lot of suggestions - I accepted most and declined some, and that was that. With one possible exception (i.e. the appendix) I fail to see why this had to be held up for this meeting. I note that I was Secretary pro tem at the December 2017 meeting and the same issue came up and the minutes were approved as I drafted them with the sense of the room of those voting to approve being this is a stylistic difference and that the Secretary should not be micromanaged. I further note that there are items in my minutes such as the applause for the good work of the LPHPC was not challenged - why? Because details like that have been routinely included and not required by RONR as has MANY other items in our minutes such as (and I sincerely love this) noting that randomization has been done by rolling the Secretary's 30-sided die. Why some and not others? Style and tone of the present LNC. Alicia's comments do not strip things bare - they leave in some things - so it seems this isn't even a RONR thing but a style issue, and I ask the LNC let me be me please. Now the point by point responses with the most substantive one first: *The appendix of the gallery comments and Starchild's notes. * This is not in the body but as an appendix. At a past meeting where it was objected (and I was the one doing the objecting) that past convention minutes contained editorial comments on RONR by Alicia, the comprimise that was reached since she felt that information valuable (as did I) that these could be put in an appendix just like her audit information is. There is no reason under this precedent that this should not be the same. Further, however, and more importantly - the body through myself and the Chair told the gallery that their concerns would be summarized and told Starchild that his notes would be appended. There were no objections then and thus, I do not think we can renege on our words now. *Deletion of the lengthy "prelude":* That was a deviation from most meetings as it was a hectic post-convention meeting and that is simply how the conversation went - a bit helter-skelter. In order to accurately represent the decisions and organization (whether formal votes or not) this introduction was necessary. But more important *what harm is there in keeping it to over-ride the decisions of the Secretary?* *The various deleted comments:* If we were strictly following RONR skeletor formt why not more? There is nothing harmful or incorrect in the items and helps the reader to understand the flow. I frankly think too little was included. *The deleted outro:* Deleting thanking the public who attending? That truly baffles me. Everyone is along these lines and I ask the LNC to let me do my job and allow for style differences or show me actual harm in any of these and I will gladly amend. I note that I ran these minutes before submission by two very competent persons - one of them an excellent past Secretary (Joe Dehn) and the other a serious contender in one Secretary run and a past Vice-Chair (Chuck Moulton) - I modified in accordance with their suggestions to get where they are at now. PS: RONR acknowledges these style differences, see page 96, lines 9-17 fro approval of executive session minutes as an example. -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> or Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* ========================================================================= I am going to put the conclusion first since I know folks will be really busy and have to skim a few things. == At the beginning of the term, our Secretary indicated that her draft minutes had more content than has been included in the past,== That is one way to put it, but not a complete way. I indicated that my draft contained more than my immediate successor and less than other prior Secretaries, thus the custom of this body has been to include FAR more. ==and she acknowledged that it's up to the LNC to decide whether it wants our minutes to include those things.== Yes of course as the approving body. However, unless there is something missing or something that clearly is prejudicial in some way, I would hope that we are not going to spend time re-making me in my successor's image. I think some of these are quibbles that I think should be left up to the competency of the elected Secretary. Dr. Lark kindly provided a lot of suggestions - I accepted most and declined some, and that was that. With one possible exception (i.e. the appendix) I fail to see why this had to be held up for this meeting. I note that I was Secretary pro tem at the December 2017 meeting and the same issue came up and the minutes were approved as I drafted them with the sense of the room of those voting to approve being this is a stylistic difference and that the Secretary should not be micromanaged. I further note that there are items in my minutes such as the applause for the good work of the LPHPC was not challenged - why? Because details like that have been routinely included and not required by RONR as has MANY other items in our minutes such as (and I sincerely love this) noting that randomization has been done by rolling the Secretary's 30-sided die. Why some and not others? Style and tone of the present LNC. Alicia's comments do not strip things bare - they leave in some things - so it seems this isn't even a RONR thing but a style issue, and I ask the LNC let me be me please. Now the point by point responses with the most substantive one first: The appendix of the gallery comments and Starchild's notes. This is not in the body but as an appendix. At a past meeting where it was objected (and I was the one doing the objecting) that past convention minutes contained editorial comments on RONR by Alicia, the comprimise that was reached since she felt that information valuable (as did I) that these could be put in an appendix just like her audit information is. There is no reason under this precedent that this should not be the same. Further, however, and more importantly - the body through myself and the Chair told the gallery that their concerns would be summarized and told Starchild that his notes would be appended. There were no objections then and thus, I do not think we can renege on our words now. Deletion of the lengthy "prelude": That was a deviation from most meetings as it was a hectic post-convention meeting and that is simply how the conversation went - a bit helter-skelter. In order to accurately represent the decisions and organization (whether formal votes or not) this introduction was necessary. But more important what harm is there in keeping it to over-ride the decisions of the Secretary? The various deleted comments: If we were strictly following RONR skeletor formt why not more? There is nothing harmful or incorrect in the items and helps the reader to understand the flow. I frankly think too little was included. The deleted outro: Deleting thanking the public who attending? That truly baffles me. Everyone is along these lines and I ask the LNC to let me do my job and allow for style differences or show me actual harm in any of these and I will gladly amend. I note that I ran these minutes before submission by two very competent persons - one of them an excellent past Secretary (Joe Dehn) and the other a serious contender in one Secretary run and a past Vice-Chair (Chuck Moulton) - I modified in accordance with their suggestions to get where they are at now. PS: RONR acknowledges these style differences, see page 96, lines 9-17 fro approval of executive session minutes as an example. -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [1]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [2]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [3]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 2. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 3. http://www.lp.org/

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Digital LNC Notebook for your use
by Caryn Ann Harlos 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Hello everyone, please use the link below to access a digital LNC notebook for your use. In the past we used to have physical binders for our use and that was discontinued due to costs. However, I think it is useful to have a complete reference binder. This is a new protocol I am doing so I appreciate any feedback on how to make this more useful. There are few more items I will be adding tonight (including Alicia's feedback on the 7/3 minutes and my response as well as a short video to watch in preparation for the OpaVote demo). https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg -- * In Liberty,* *Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary *- Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org <Caryn.Ann.Harlos(a)LP.org> or Secretary(a)LP.org. *Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee* - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ========================================================================= Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * *VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or http://www.LP.org <http://www.lp.org/>* ========================================================================= Hello everyone, please use the link below to access a digital LNC notebook for your use. In the past we used to have physical binders for our use and that was discontinued due to costs. However, I think it is useful to have a complete reference binder. This is a new protocol I am doing so I appreciate any feedback on how to make this more useful. There are few more items I will be adding tonight (including Alicia's feedback on the 7/3 minutes and my response as well as a short video to watch in preparation for the OpaVote demo). [1]https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg -- In Liberty, [uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download] Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos(a)LP.org or Secretary(a)LP.org. Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia(a)LP.org Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at [3]facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ ======================================================================= == Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or [4]http://www.LP.org ======================================================================= == References 1. https://1drv.ms/f/s!An_9oojd8WVNfzdIpea9qVsA8Rg 2. mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org 3. http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/ 4. http://www.lp.org/

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Hello, anyone here yet
by Sam Goldstein 29 Sep '18

29 Sep '18

Anyone else here yet? When/where do we meet for the house party tonight? -- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell Anyone else here yet? When/where do we meet for the house party tonight? -- Sam Goldstein Libertarian National Committee 317-850-0726 Cell

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LPCT Lawsuit Settlement and Media Coverage.
by Justin O'Donnell 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

LPCT was recently awarded a settlement in a 1st Amendment case regarding suppression of their petitioning efforta by local law enforcement at the direction of the incumbent candidate. Here is a Link to the article about the story and the settlement. http://www.courant.com/politics/government-watch/hc-pol-lender-libertar ians-get-settlement-20180927-story.html Justin O'Donnell LNC Region 8 Representative

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proposed amendments to 07/03/18 minutes
by Alicia Mattson 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

At the beginning of the term, our Secretary indicated that her draft minutes had more content than has been included in the past, and she acknowledged that it's up to the LNC to decide whether it wants our minutes to include those things. My comments on the 07/03 minutes advocated for returning closer to the RONR p. 468 rule of thumb that "In an ordinary society, the minutes should contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting, not what was said by the members." This meeting gives the LNC an opportunity to weigh in on the question. Rather than me simply stating a generic concept and you guessing about what would be different, attached are two documents to propose those changes. The first shows what content I would suggest be removed, and the second shows what the text of the minutes would be in the style I'm advocating. I didn't re-create the formatting or include the text of all footnotes, only the footnotes that would be impacted by the changes. The content in question accounts for almost 30% of the minutes, though most of it is in the "prelude" section or Appendix A. The prelude contains mostly just informal chatter prior to the meeting's call to order. This was not part of the meeting, and it results in this document redundantly containing three copies of the agenda. That repetition serves no value. The material removed from Appendix A is the summary of public comments, which is nothing but the opinions of individuals. Our minutes should be a record of the official business conducted by the LNC, not a listing of people's opinions and debate commentary. This can be problematic in various ways that I previously noted. -Alicia At the beginning of the term, our Secretary indicated that her draft minutes had more content than has been included in the past, and she acknowledged that it's up to the LNC to decide whether it wants our minutes to include those things. My comments on the 07/03 minutes advocated for returning closer to the RONR p. 468 rule of thumb that "In an ordinary society, the minutes should contain mainly a record of what was done at the meeting, not what was said by the members." This meeting gives the LNC an opportunity to weigh in on the question. Rather than me simply stating a generic concept and you guessing about what would be different, attached are two documents to propose those changes. The first shows what content I would suggest be removed, and the second shows what the text of the minutes would be in the style I'm advocating. I didn't re-create the formatting or include the text of all footnotes, only the footnotes that would be impacted by the changes. The content in question accounts for almost 30% of the minutes, though most of it is in the "prelude" section or Appendix A. The prelude contains mostly just informal chatter prior to the meeting's call to order. This was not part of the meeting, and it results in this document redundantly containing three copies of the agenda. That repetition serves no value. The material removed from Appendix A is the summary of public comments, which is nothing but the opinions of individuals. Our minutes should be a record of the official business conducted by the LNC, not a listing of people's opinions and debate commentary. This can be problematic in various ways that I previously noted. -Alicia

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At-Large audit- still ongoing
by Elizabeth Van Horn 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

Hello All, Richard Longstreth and Duke Van Horn are still working on the audit. I doubt they'll be done by the time the evening event starts. -- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus http://www.lpcaucus.org/ Hello All, Richard Longstreth and Duke Van Horn are still working on the audit. I doubt they’ll be done by the time the evening event starts. -- Elizabeth Van Horn LNC Region 3 (IN, MI, OH, KY) Secretary Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus [1]http://www.lpcaucus.org/ References 1. http://www.lpcaucus.org/

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updated draft of convention minutes
by Alicia Mattson 28 Sep '18

28 Sep '18

It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft while many of us are in transit to the meeting. Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is different from the first version I sent about a month ago. I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: - p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. - an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 - Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a dry heat," said Jane. - Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the text. - On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. - I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. - The missing period on p. 31 has been added. - On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the materials together for today. This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly increases the percentages for each candidate. -Alicia It has been a very busy week, so I find myself doing something that I dislike when others do it. :-) I'm sending an updated document draft while many of us are in transit to the meeting. Attached is the version 2 draft of the convention minutes which can be approved this weekend following the completion of the at-large audit. You don't have much time to review it, so I'm itemizing what is different from the first version I sent about a month ago. I only received feedback from two people (Hagan and Harlos), and based on that feedback, draft 2 has been updated as follows: * p. 53 now reflects that the ambiguous vote for T-Rex may have been intended to be a vote for Mr. Hagan. * an Oxford comma was added on p. 3 * Ms. Harlos had expressed her preference that commas at the end of quoted phrases should go inside of quotation marks. This is one of those grammar rules that is evolving over time, and many consider it acceptable to place it either inside or outside. In many of the instances she flagged, the quoted material is something like the title of a platform plank rather than something a verbatim record of what someone said. In such cases, it just looks bizarre to me for the comma to be inside the quotes, as it is not part of the title of the platform plank. In such cases my preference is to place the comma outside of the quotes for readability and so that the quotes don't contain things that aren't actually a part of the source material being quoted. The inside-the-quotes approach makes more sense for something like: "It's hot in Phoenix, but it's a dry heat," said Jane. * Since there were delegate motions immediately made at the start of the Platform Committee report, the subject matter introduction in the minutes wasn't documented in the same way as with the Bylaws and Rules Committee report. I've now added an identification of Ms. Harlos' role as the chair of the Platform Committee to the text. * On p. 18, "Mr." has been inserted before "Sarwark" in one location. * I added a requested accent mark on a delegate's name. * The missing period on p. 31 has been added. * On p. 32, delegate state identifiers have been added. There was a wee bit of time pressure to get my audited at-large results out. After I sent them, I realized that one other correction didn't make my list of things that I caught after-the-fact. We were voting to do a second audit, and I thought that might occur sooner rather than later, so my note-to-self reminder was with the ballots themselves so I'd see it for the second audit...which meant that I didn't see it for the first draft minutes. Grrr! But I saw it when getting the materials together for today. This draft version 2 additionally notes that the 150 votes cast by Florida were actually all contained on 23 ballots, rather than the 24 on the tally sheet and on my prior numbers. This has very minimal impact. With one fewer ballot in the denominator, it very slightly increases the percentages for each candidate. -Alicia

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